Reggie Yates - Bigot

[martin_p]

So Moira Stewart got her job at the BBC on the back of being good on the Adventure Game, but Reggie Yates didn't get his job at the BBC on the back of him being good in Disney Club, Grange Hill, Desmonds, and presenting on CITV?

He just got the job because he's black?

And the Adventure Game is a BBC programme, so how did she get that job? (Not expecting an answer, just pointing out the huge flaw in your logic).

Serious question. Why are you applying a sweeping generalisation to non-white employees of the BBC?

[Rowls]

So Moira Stewart got her job at the BBC on the back of being good on the Adventure Game, but Reggie Yates didn't get his job at the BBC on the back of him being good in Disney Club, Grange Hill, Desmonds, and presenting on CITV?

He just got the job because he's black?

Yet another stupid question. What if I turned this on it's head and responded in kind?

So you're saying that the BBC have positive discrimination policies and yet never act on them? What's the point in them requesting black people if they don't want black people?

BTW: This is a rhetorical question and I don't want an answer.

If you want my opinion on the matter, the same offer stands for you as it does to martin_p and anyone else - just ask me what I think about the BBC wanting to favour black people in certain roles.

[UpTheBeehole]

I thought you were off out Rowls?

[Rowls]

And the Adventure Game is a BBC programme, so how did she get that job? (Not expecting an answer, just pointing out the huge flaw in your logic).

Serious question. Why are you applying a sweeping generalisation to non-white employees of the BBC?

I've posited no theory on how Moira got the job on the Adventure Game.

I've posted no "sweeping generalisations" whatsoever.

Why don't you go ahead and ask me what my opinion is?

Are you scared to find out what my opinion might be?

[UpTheBeehole]

If you want my opinion on the matter, the same offer stands for you as it does to martin_p and anyone else - just ask me what I think about the BBC wanting to favour black people in certain roles.

What do you think about 'the BBC wanting to favour black people in certain roles' Rowls?

[martin_p]

No.

No, no, no.


Just because the BBC definitely enact policies to favour non-white people does NOT mean that only white people have got their jobs on merit. That is a logical fallacy on your part and it is also NOT my opinion

Well I used your words ‘strong possibility’ which you’ve omitted to make it say something I didn’t claim. But I’m afraid my logic is impeccable. You agreed that there was a strong possibility that all non-white employees had benefitted from the BBC’s anti-discrimination policies. If therefore follows that there’s a strong possibility that the only people who have got their jobs without the assistance of such a policy are white. That doesn’t mean that every white is there on merit and every non-white because of the policy of course, just that (in your word) there’s a strong possibility that it’s the case.

[martin_p]

I've
I've posted no "sweeping generalisations" whatsoever.

Read post #41 and tell me that isn’t a sweeping generalisation about non-whites.

[Rowls]

What do you think about 'the BBC wanting to favour black people in certain roles' Rowls?

Oh FFS - a frigging sensible question!

I think that -generally speaking- it's is wrong and abhorrent to discriminate between people on the basis of the colour of their skin.

However, when it comes to broadcasting, it would be wrong and somehow not right if the kind of people who were constantly on TV never reflected the populace. This should be particularly of concern to a public broadcaster like the BBC. There has to be a balance between representation and choosing talent.

In short, I'm in favour of an exemption to anti-discrimination in very specific areas. I'd like media producers (including the BBC) to be exempt from discriminating on grounds of skin colour, ethnicity and gender. I believe you should be able to pick an actor or presenter because you believe it is appropriate to have a certain ethnicity or colour better-represented on TV - as long as they can demonstrate talent.

I'm very keen there should be more black, asian and not-white faces on TV. The BBC need to be able to openly operate a policy that promotes such an end. Current legislation forbids it so they end up fudging the matter. They're already enacting such policies but they're unable to do so in a manner which is open and honest - little wonder they often draw criticism from all sides of this debate.

[UpTheBeehole]

Oh FFS - a frigging sensible question!

I think that -generally speaking- it's is wrong and abhorrent to discriminate between people on the basis of the colour of their skin.

However, when it comes to broadcasting, it would be wrong and somehow not right if the kind of people who were constantly on TV never reflected the populace. This should be particularly of concern to a public broadcaster like the BBC. There has to be a balance between representation and choosing talent.

In short, I'm in favour of an exemption to anti-discrimination in very specific areas. I'd like media producers (including the BBC) to be exempt from discriminating on grounds of skin colour, ethnicity and gender. I believe you should be able to pick an actor or presenter because you believe it is appropriate to have a certain ethnicity or colour better-represented on TV - as long as they can demonstrate talent.

I'm very keen there should be more black, asian and not-white faces on TV. The BBC need to be able to openly operate a policy that promotes such an end. Current legislation forbids it so they end up fudging the matter. They're already enacting such policies but they're unable to do so in a manner which is open and honest - little wonder they often draw criticism from all sides of this debate.

Sorry, not going to read your response.

Was just seeing if you really were off out or not.

Seems you're not.

What time does your glass collecting shift start?

[Rowls]

I thought you were off out Rowls?

I said I was off to do something "more productive". I was about to do the "more productive" thing when I realised I wasn't ready to do it.

The thing that is "more productive" than talking to you was having a nap (I only got 4 hours sleep last night and I need a lot, lot more) but that apartment is too cold so I've whapped the heating on for 15 minutes.

In the mean time, you actually asked a sensible question so I gave the courtesy of a sensible reply.

I never mentioned "going out" - I was always planning on the nap.

Read post #41 and tell me that isn’t a sweeping generalisation about non-whites.

Post #41 is not a "sweeping generalisation about non-whites".

[Rowls]

Sorry, not going to read your response.

Was just seeing if you really were off out or not.

Seems you're not.

What time does your glass collecting shift start?

See below - was never "off out".

Oh I see you're being derogatory about my job. How big and clever of you.

What would I know about "proper jobs" eh?

I'm just the lad who won a scholarship to a redbrick university for poor little blighters who happens to love his job. You can keep up disparaging bar staff, landlords and publicans all you like. You'll still be welcome in any bar I'm running.

[UpTheBeehole]

The thing that is "more productive" than talking to you was having a nap (I only got 4 hours sleep last night and I need a lot, lot more) but that apartment is too cold so I've whapped the heating on for 15 minutes..

Still living like a pauper in a sordid little grief-hole?

[Rowls]

Still living like a pauper in a sordid little grief-hole?

No, never have been.

Living -as I see it- like a king in the south of France.

I'm sure that real kings don't share one bedroom apartments but enjoy a fantastic social circle, meet tonnes of nice young ladies, eat what I want (the food is fantastic here), drink what I want (the wine is amazing, the beer I get at cost price) and am nearly as happy as I've ever been in life.

The work is physically tiring but I love it to bits. I wouldn't put so much effort into it if I didn't LOVE it. I suppose you can look at my job in many different ways.
For example you could say it's a simple job that doesn't engage higher thinking or much brain power ... OR ... you could think long and hard about how to improve bar layout, marketing, how the pub environment impacts upon the whole "experience" of going out for a simple pint.
You could say it's a low-skilled manual service sector job .... OR ... you could say it's an easy an sociable way to earn a crust that enables you to spend your work hours chatting with locals and having a pleasant time.
You could say it's "glass collecting" ... OR ... you could say I'm managing a successful business with a turnover of XX million euro and doing a fine job at it thank you very much.

I love my job and I hope you enjoy your work too,

[Rowls]

Oh, and the south of France is particularly nice too.

You should visit. I heartily recommend it.

[Chobulous]

Sorry, not going to read your response.

Was just seeing if you really were off out or not.

Seems you're not.

What time does your glass collecting shift start?

So you ask someone a question but you don't really want an answer, just an excuse to further play the man and not the ball.

Can I ask you a question then?

"Do you feel that you actually have the wit to address Rowls' response to your question in a positive way and if you feel you have, why won't you give us your response?"

[randomclaret2]

Remember the annoying kid in school who kept asking " but why ? " over and over again.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

It doesn't mean that people are racist because they don't like positive discrimination and when people say they want people to get jobs on merit they often mean just that - as in if the best 10 Grime DJs are all from an Afro-Carribean background they should get the top jobs.

Chris Ramsey whilst saying there was institutional racism in football (at board level) suggested that he was against tokenism (which in a way is what people equate positive discrimination with)

[Greenmile]

You're not very good at comprehension are you.

Anyone with intelligence will see that's not what I've said.

And I'm certainly not bothered to explain my opinion on the subject. You couldn't or wouldn't understand it properly and I don't care for your simplistic and tendentious thinking.

IT asked a question. I quoted your answer to that question. Anyone with any idea of context would understand that my comment (followed by a question mark, as I was seeking clarity from you) was the obvious implication of your comment.

Of course you “can’t be bothered” to explain yourself, because you can’t explain yourself.

Edit - posted before I’d read the rest of the thread (obviously).

[AlargeClaret]

No idea whatsoever how “token” RY is but surely someone whose had tv experience (albeit a low end careeer in kids tv) is ideal on all counts for the BBC as it ticks the right boxes as well as having someone who isn’t a total tool in front of the camera .Hes actually ruddy awful and screams “bbc 3” but when u look at a bbc roster choc full of hideous over priveledged white lesbians such as Sue Perkins ,Clare Balding ,Sandy Tostvig et al it’s a refreshing change to have a black man .