todays footy (Sunday 3rd Dec)

[RVclaret]

Didn’t show a proper angle of Grealish being on/off did it?

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Grealish wasn’t offside but if he was Hooper wouldn’t know and should have let play go on and If he scored VAR would check for offside
Hooper has to be demoted for next round of matches
Dreadful refereeing

[chekhov]

Grealish wasn’t offside but if he was Hooper wouldn’t know and should have let play go on and If he scored VAR would check for offside
Hooper has to be demoted for next round of matches
Dreadful refereeing

We shouldn’t mind, it’s Man city after all.

[Vegas Claret]

a multi billion pound industry being brought to it's knees every other game by pure ineptitude

[chekhov]

a multi billion pound industry being brought to it's knees every other game by pure ineptitude

Football has the officiating it deserves. The way referees and match officials are abused and harangued, it’s no wonder that young people coming into the game don’t want to get into refereeing. Players that play act dive and generally try to con the referee are as much responsible for the poor standards in officiating as anybody else.
We reap what we sow.

[aclaretinstevenage]

Football has the officiating it deserves. The way referees and match officials are abused and harangued, it’s no wonder that young people coming into the game don’t want to get into refereeing. Players that play act dive and generally try to con the referee are as much responsible for the poor standards in officiating as anybody else.
We reap what we sow.

Spot on!

[Westleigh]

If it had been one of the smaller clubs ( anyone outside the top six) you’d have known it was corrupt but this was bizarre,Hooper waited until Grealish was clear then blew up ,it’s a though he had a bet on for a draw ,or why would he stop the play ?

[Westleigh]

Football has the officiating it deserves. The way referees and match officials are abused and harangued, it’s no wonder that young people coming into the game don’t want to get into refereeing. Players that play act dive and generally try to con the referee are as much responsible for the poor standards in officiating as anybody else.
We reap what we sow.

I appreciate that but how can you explain a ref playing advantage and then seeing that Grealish was clean through then stopping play ,Hooper has form for giving crazy decisions he’ll be dropped to the championship for a couple of weeks and then reinstated for the Burnley v Everton match,if that happened in cricket they’d be checking for bribes.

[chekhov]

I appreciate that but how can you explain a ref playing advantage and then seeing that Grealish was clean through then stopping play ,Hooper has form for giving crazy decisions he’ll be dropped to the championship for a couple of weeks and then reinstated for the Burnley v Everton match,if that happened in cricket they’d be checking for bribes.

I think maybe you haven’t understood my post.

[Vegas Claret]

Football has the officiating it deserves. The way referees and match officials are abused and harangued, it’s no wonder that young people coming into the game don’t want to get into refereeing. Players that play act dive and generally try to con the referee are as much responsible for the poor standards in officiating as anybody else.
We reap what we sow.

Funnily enough I put most of the blame at the feet of Arteta, Klopp, Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger et al. I'm pretty sure I understand your point and your undertone (and agree with the majority of it) but surely to goodness the look on Anthony Taylor's face when Cooper blew the whistle tells you all you need to know. It's super basic but do you know what made it worse, the fact Cooper doubled down instead of holding his hands up and immediately acknowledging his error (we've seen Oliver do that before) - everyone makes mistake and if you have a bit of honesty genuine people will forgive them. Like it or not, the stakes are massive, imagine that being in the last minute of the season and Grealish is put clean through to win the league or Jay Rod is clean through for us to score to keep us up and the ref decides to forget all his training and doesn't look to play an advantage ? You reap what you sow works both ways and both ways should absolutely be accountable, there is clearly no need for abuse but there's also clearly no need for someone with so much experience to get something so basic wrong. Thank the lord he isn't a pilot or a doctor

[Vegas Claret]

he literally waves play on TWICE, not sure what the City players are supposed to do other than lose it
https://x.com/TheBurnleyWay/status/1731 ... 94510?s=20

[CharlieinNewMexico]

PGMOL have clearly been trying to fast track Hooper. He’s survived the Man U Wolves Onana incident and the Liverpool Spurs Diaz incident ( blame went to VAR in both) and got away with a couple of others. Surely nowhere to turn now. I even get it if he says “I blew because I thought Grealish was offside” but he didn’t he just tried to bluster through it.

[distortiondave]

I wondered whether he initially thought the Emerson tackle was a red card offence, because I'm not sure you can wave play on in instances like that (can you?).

[beddie]

It’ll be another busy morning for Howard Webb.

[nil_desperandum]

I wondered whether he initially thought the Emerson tackle was a red card offence, because I'm not sure you can wave play on in instances like that (can you?).

Surely a potential red card offence can be reviewed next time the ball is out of play - up to the point that play restarts?

[distortiondave]

If Hooper is playing on, and VAR is saying 'checking for red', the ref maybe stopped play because of that.
Like I say, I don't know if a ref is supposed to wave play on if there is a potential red card - maybe a red card is serious enough that play should be stopped.

[Rileybobs]

Not sure where this red card theory has come from as I haven't really seen any of the post-match discussion, but playing advantage on a potential red card offence would open up a whole can of worms, as if Man City had scored then the ref presumably wouldn't have been able to send the player off without disallowing the goal?

[distortiondave]

Not sure where this red card theory has come from as I haven't really seen any of the post-match discussion, but playing advantage on a potential red card offence would open up a whole can of worms, as if Man City had scored then the ref presumably wouldn't have been able to send the player off without disallowing the goal?

There is no red card theory, just me wondering aloud if that's why the ref stopped play, perhaps thinking Emerson's tackle was red worthy (which it clearly wasn't).
Just trying to give a bit of benefit of the doubt to the ref, because beyond being utterly bent or properly useless, there is no reason to halt play there.

[Rileybobs]

There is no red card theory, just me wondering aloud if that's why the ref stopped play, perhaps thinking Emerson's tackle was red worthy (which it clearly wasn't).
Just trying to give a bit of benefit of the doubt to the ref, because beyond being utterly bent or properly useless, there is no reason to halt play there.

I didn't know whether the idea that he may have been checking a red card had been discussed on tv/radio etc. hence me saying red card theory, not a dig at your post if that's how it came across. It's an interesting point though because I presume if the VAR tells the referee that they are checking a potential red card then the referee should stop play as if a goal was scored during the checking process then either the goal would have to be chalked off or the offending player let off. Does anybody know if this is the case?

[RammyClaret61]

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[Buxtonclaret]

A new masterpiece!!


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[dsr]

There is no red card theory, just me wondering aloud if that's why the ref stopped play, perhaps thinking Emerson's tackle was red worthy (which it clearly wasn't).
Just trying to give a bit of benefit of the doubt to the ref, because beyond being utterly bent or properly useless, there is no reason to halt play there.

Of course there is a reason to stop play. The ref was trying to play advantage and it was reaching the edge of time beyond which it isn't reasonable to play on, and he made the mistake (a bad one) of blowing at the exact instant when the advantage became apparent.

There is no need to assume that referees have perfect knowledge and can only get things wrong on purpose. They can make mistakes, just like players can. Are you suggesting that Haaland's sitter which he missed was because he had bet on himself not to score? Or do you think it was a simple mistake?

The red card theory is because referees' guidelines say that in most circumstances it will not be possible to play advantage after a red card tackle because of the danger of things escalating. This obviously does not apply in this case because he did play advantage. Just not for long enough.

[IanMcL]

Aye, but Grealish was offside!

Was he? They never checked that, other than to say, ..."and Grealish was onside"

It was possibly marginal. Are you conclusively sure it was offside, as a result of it being checked by your TV channel or just going with your own thought?

[Rileybobs]

Of course there is a reason to stop play. The ref was trying to play advantage and it was reaching the edge of time beyond which it isn't reasonable to play on, and he made the mistake (a bad one) of blowing at the exact instant when the advantage became apparent.

There is no need to assume that referees have perfect knowledge and can only get things wrong on purpose. They can make mistakes, just like players can. Are you suggesting that Haaland's sitter which he missed was because he had bet on himself not to score? Or do you think it was a simple mistake?

The red card theory is because referees' guidelines say that in most circumstances it will not be possible to play advantage after a red card tackle because of the danger of things escalating. This obviously does not apply in this case because he did play advantage. Just not for long enough.

I think you’re probably right, but what would happen if the referee didn’t deem the tackle to be worthy of a red card but the VAR notified the referee that they were checking for a possible red card? Maybe a daft question as by the time that communication has taken place the advantage will most likely have lapsed.

[chekhov]

Was he? They never checked that, other than to say, ..."and Grealish was onside"

It was possibly marginal. Are you conclusively sure it was offside, as a result of it being checked by your TV channel or just going with your own thought?

I was wrong. Looks like he was definitely onside. I was trying my best to see give benefit to the referee. Sadly he made a mistake.

[IanMcL]

I was wrong. Looks like he was definitely onside. I was trying my best to see give benefit to the referee. Sadly he made a mistake.

It really places the ref under a spotlight! Was there a 'preferred result?'