Centre Forwards

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by Rowls » Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:14 am

If our centre forwards were missing lots of chances there would be a strong case for new blood.

But they’re not. We’re not creating chances for them.
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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by ClaretAL » Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:26 am

Rowls wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:14 am
If our centre forwards were missing lots of chances there would be a strong case for new blood.

But they’re not. We’re not creating chances for them.
I agree with this, although I will add the strikers also need to create space an make runs. I purposely watched Foster for 30 minutes the last time he played at the Turf (game was so dull so wanted to see if he was making any runs) and he was pedestrian at best, and at some points ran to the nearest CB as if he was marking him and not wanting the ball rather than in to space, so problems on both supply and movement for me.
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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by kentonclaret » Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:42 am

Rowls wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:14 am
If our centre forwards were missing lots of chances there would be a strong case for new blood.

But they’re not. We’re not creating chances for them.
When Parker managed Fulham and Bournemouth in the Championship the main strikers scored 55 goals combined. Mitrovic scoring 26 and Solanke 29 so Parker managed to set up those sides to create plenty of chances for the 2 main strikers in those teams.
Perhaps the creative players and forward players at Burnley simply aren’t good enough? Some strikers at Burnley struggle to finish their dinner.

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:29 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:42 am
When Parker managed Fulham and Bournemouth in the Championship the main strikers scored 55 goals combined. Mitrovic scoring 26 and Solanke 29 so Parker managed to set up those sides to create plenty of chances for the 2 main strikers in those teams.
Perhaps the creative players and forward players at Burnley simply aren’t good enough? Some strikers at Burnley struggle to finish their dinner.
In the context of this season it's simply not true. We've scored about 4 goals more than we should have. What big chances have Houtondji, Rodriguez, Flemming and Foster missed?
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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by warksclaret » Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:50 am

Rodriguez & Hountondji are not Championship centre forwards, and would not get into the squads of the other 23 teams in our league. They simply dont get into "where it hurts" when we attack. So no point saying we are not taking our chances. If we had a Joseph or Piroe from Leeds we would not be having this conversation. Foster seems to be absent more often than playing, but for me the jury is out with him. I know he has the potential but how much does he want to play for our club. Flemming is predominantly a No 10 and in his two appearances as a No 9 has showed the other three how to play this position. We need to sort out this position fast, because when Redmond, Tresor, Ramsey become available, and even Benson , they will be surplus if we cant convert their crosses into goals

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by PensansClaret » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:18 am

Bring back Obafemi

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by warksclaret » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:26 am

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:29 am
In the context of this season it's simply not true. We've scored about 4 goals more than we should have. What big chances have Houtondji, Rodriguez, Flemming and Foster missed?
Have to agree-not many. Rodriguez 0, Hountondji a sitter at Sunderland, Foster a few more but a big one at Oxford. I think Fleming has missed more than Hountondji and JR combined in just a few appearances by simply being in the right place

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:32 am

warksclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:50 am
Rodriguez & Hountondji are not Championship centre forwards, and would not get into the squads of the other 23 teams in our league.
Wildly exaggerating a situation does not strengthen your opinion. It just undermines it.

btw, you may want to look at Joseph's record this season before using him as an exemplar.
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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:38 am

warksclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:26 am
Have to agree-not many. Rodriguez 0, Hountondji a sitter at Sunderland, Foster a few more but a big one at Oxford. I think Fleming has missed more than Hountondji and JR combined in just a few appearances by simply being in the right place
Between the 4 of them it's one big chance, and that was Houtondji at Oxford. Flemming, Foster and Rodriguez have missed none. So you're saying Flemming is showing them how to do it, but he isn't. We hardly create big chances. Could movement be better? Probably, but it's clear the issues lie deeper on the field and back on the training pitch.

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by hoosier-daddy » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:47 am

Not sure why Koleosho isn't instructed to put more balls in. Sure, he sometimes has 5 players around him but he he doesn't always have to take players on to get the ball into the box. He has a good cross on him which would help the forwards.

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by clarets1978 » Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:58 am

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:33 am
TBH who would want to play for us ?
Re a forward I'd go all out for a Tella style forward.
Shouldnt be that difficult for us to get someone really. Any decent striker that signs isnt going to have to fight to get into the team and will be an automatic starter

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by warksclaret » Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:20 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:32 am
Wildly exaggerating a situation does not strengthen your opinion. It just undermines it.

btw, you may want to look at Joseph's record this season before using him as an exemplar.
Everyone entitled to their opinions on this board, its healthy. However for me Joseph is an absolute handful-more so than anyone we have. I see his career only going one way.

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by Wo Didi » Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:27 pm

I'm at the Marakana watching Red Star, the opposition have a couple of decent looking players, young lad called Lamine looks to have a bit about him and I don't think he's appreciated there, also at the other end of the age spectrum is an old codger called Robert, could we persuade either of these? 😉

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by Wo Didi » Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:39 pm

On a more serious not Silas has just equalised, he's on loan from Stuttgart and he's got serious quality and is available for less than £10m, he got 5 goals last season and helped Stuttgart into the champions league, definitely one to keep an eye on. And another one Andrija Maksimović 17 years old and has already been capped by Serbia, he has a huge future ahead of him.

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by timshorts » Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:41 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:05 pm
That is a gold medal post! Well done.

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He's not really an option. If he was an American footballer we'd have cut him off our roster ages ago.

I might be wrong, but attitude wise, he seems a complete toserr.

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by IanMcL » Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:54 am

timshorts wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:41 pm
He's not really an option. If he was an American footballer we'd have cut him off our roster ages ago.

I might be wrong, but attitude wise, he seems a complete toserr.
I was referring to the anagram of Tresor being resort. Better than anything we have seen from Resort, sorry Tresor, so far!

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Re: Centre Forwards

Post by kentonclaret » Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:21 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:29 am
In the context of this season it's simply not true. We've scored about 4 goals more than we should have. What big chances have Houtondji, Rodriguez, Flemming and Foster missed?
I actually put the thought out there that perhaps the creative players and forward players at Burnley are not good enough. By stating that the forward players have gobbled up the few chances presented to them, and that they are feeding off scraps, then it is obviously down to a lack of creativity and guile in being able to deliver scoring opportunities,

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