Turf Morgue

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by TsarBomba » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:05 pm

Pickles wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:54 pm
Checked the walk-on price today and couldn't believe my eyes. It costs a family of four walking-on £200, for one game. Before any snacks or drinks. There should definitely be a financial incentive to season tickets but surely that walk-on price is far too high.
This, in a nutshell.

I appreciate the standard of football is much, much, lower, but I went to Maidstone today and it cost me £46 for 4 tickets. If I had chosen to stand instead of sit, then the 4 tickets would cost £34 and my 2 kids would be free.
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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by NewClaret » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:34 pm

bumba wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:06 pm
But then they'd have to take some blame for upping prices and recruiting poor players putting the 'head coach' in the position he's in
True enough

I’m not blaming Parker, it’s clear they sold way to heavily in summer and didn’t even get close to replacing with sufficient attacking quality

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by NewClaret » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:41 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:03 pm
55 quid today if you wanted a decent seat and not risk getting ****** wet through.
You have to ask what runs through Alan Pace’s mind when he sees fans getting rained on?

It’s not his fault the stands were designed that way and maybe it’s impossible to completely irradiate the issue but I wonder if he ever thinks “we should really try and fix that”… or just accepts it?

I’m sure for the cost of Tresor we could fix some of these things for fans.

As an aside, it was leaking in parts of the Longside today. Starting to get Old Trafford vibes :s

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by what_no_pies » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:43 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:05 pm
This, in a nutshell.

I appreciate the standard of football is much, much, lower, but I went to Maidstone today and it cost me £46 for 4 tickets. If I had chosen to stand instead of sit, then the 4 tickets would cost £34 and my 2 kids would be free.
I find my local none league team a much more rewarding football experience all round these days. Sure the football isn't s high of a standard but it's proper football untarnished by finance, massive ego's and play acting. Almost every time I've gone on the Turf this season I've questioned why I bothered - it's predictable, dull and massively overpriced.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by NewClaret » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:44 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:41 pm
Its ALK who have chosen to charge upwards of 50 quid a ticket for second division football. Games like today the atmosphere is never going to be great, but the number of empty seats is on them.
I disagree to be honest. Today had nothing to do with walk on prices, it’s because season ticket holders are continually not turning up which is actually a far more worrying thing all together.

The walk on prices are indeed a disgrace and he’s going to find out very quickly that they’re not sustainable at this level of football in this area. Thankfully.
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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by Goliath » Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:59 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:44 pm
I disagree to be honest. Today had nothing to do with walk on prices, it’s because season ticket holders are continually not turning up which is actually a far more worrying thing all together.

The walk on prices are indeed a disgrace and he’s going to find out very quickly that they’re not sustainable at this level of football in this area. Thankfully.
It really demonstrates the change in how fans are paying to watch us these days. It seems like a lot are just buying season tickets because of the stupidly high price of walk ons makes its a cost benefit to just buy a season ticket snd attend when you want.
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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by claretburns » Thu Jan 02, 2025 12:37 am

what_no_pies wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:24 pm
I was at Boro on Sunday and thought they made more noise than the Turf crowd has made for any of the games I've caught this season.
I just feel as a fanbase as soon as you have a drum or them stupid clapper things Leicester have then you have a manufactured atmosphere and it should not be rated.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by bumba » Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:01 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:34 pm
True enough

I’m not blaming Parker, it’s clear they sold way to heavily in summer and didn’t even get close to replacing with sufficient attacking quality
Think we thought Tresor would come round and play and it hasn't materialised, also Redmond coming back was probably an option but that hasn't gone to plan either along with Bensons injury.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:58 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:41 pm
You have to ask what runs through Alan Pace’s mind when he sees fans getting rained on?

It’s not his fault the stands were designed that way and maybe it’s impossible to completely irradiate the issue but I wonder if he ever thinks “we should really try and fix that”… or just accepts it?

I’m sure for the cost of Tresor we could fix some of these things for fans.

As an aside, it was leaking in parts of the Longside today. Starting to get Old Trafford vibes :s
In the US fans stand out in torrential rain and pay hundreds of $ per match, it can be snowing and minus 10 and they are out on an open terrace. I doubt it even registers

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by BigGaz » Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:50 am

It's barely 18 months since it was the 'turf moor roar'.

The team is relatively as successful (for now) that won the league so whilst it's easy and not wrong to draw comparisons between the style of play being a contributory factor, it's not the only one; there's plenty.

- the walk on pricing structure, which for a club like ours is madness. I would baulk at paying £200 a game for a family of 4 if we played like prime Barcelona. It also only really works if supply outstrips demand which at our club it
often doesn't. When it does, is the badwill it generates really worth it for the tiny fraction of extra brass?

- The weather
- The time of year and people likely having prior engagements
- The demographic of fans, incorporating those who would come and sing but can't afford or don't want to come, our sizeable older fanbase that just want to watch in peace and also the ones that are happy to expend effort talking on social media about the atmosphere and are lambasting folk for saying that they're a bit bored and therefore lack motivation to sing, but are unwilling to expend effort doing something about it or lead the way with it.

Finally, I've not seen it mentioned but like an ever increasing amount of people I pay £50 for a subscription and £20 for a VPN per year, and I can then watch whatever game I want whenever I want. Take all of those factors above, including that the atmosphere is poor, an hours travel in my case and why would you bother?

There are probably other factors to consider that I've missed but it is multifaceted and not solely attributable to what's on the pitch. Certainly not going to be solved by someone braying a drum or Tom ******* Hark :lol:

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by Alan Young » Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:06 am

New Year’s Day is a terrible day for a football match. Nobody can be bothered with it. There’s too much football over the Christmas period. I’d imagine most grounds were flatter than normal yesterday.
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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by jlup1980 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:29 am

There are a number of factors behind the poor atmosphere, but the main one is not scoring enough goals. It's pretty simple really. The atmosphere was much better against Watford as we scored an early goal and played some decent football. It wasn't "electric", but the entertainment value got more fans involved. Yesterday was another absolute borefest, as so many of our home games have been this season.

In the wider context of football I'd say Pep, Southgate and VAR have a lot to answer for. The game has become sterile to the point of having no character left. I just hope that more people within the game will look at how Liverpool play the game and remind themselves that it's meant to be entertaining. The sooner Pep ball is kicked into touch the better.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:18 am

I think it was about 40 minutes before either keeper had a shot on goal to save and it was a back pass strength effort for Trafford.

It’s a real passion killer.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:59 am

NewClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:44 pm
I disagree to be honest. Today had nothing to do with walk on prices, it’s because season ticket holders are continually not turning up which is actually a far more worrying thing all together.

The walk on prices are indeed a disgrace and he’s going to find out very quickly that they’re not sustainable at this level of football in this area. Thankfully.
If we go back up there's likely to be plenty of tourist types, away fans who will pay it though, so Pace will probably feel the prices are justified.
If we don't go up crowds will only keep going one way, and he might be in for a bit of a shock. I don't think this new TV deal is helping either, on a cold horrible day watching from your armchair or the pub becomes very tempting.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by ArmchairDetective » Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:11 am

Season 22/23: lots of goals, last minute winners, attacking football etc at home = good atmosphere at home

Season 24/25: lots of 0-0 draws at home = poor atmosphere at home

Sure someone will come along and say Borussia Dortmund or some other Red Star Partisan Dinamo Club creates an atmosphere regardless, and I don't doubt it. But most clubs in England would be the exact same as above.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by TsarBomba » Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:22 am

Alan Young wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:06 am
New Year’s Day is a terrible day for a football match. Nobody can be bothered with it. There’s too much football over the Christmas period. I’d imagine most grounds were flatter than normal yesterday.
Looked to be lots of empty seats at Sunderland yesterday.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:23 am

It goes back to the empty seats debate.

Reasons for empty seats yesterday, ST holders.

The weather.
Hangover
Prior engagements.
It’s on TV.

Reasons for empty seats for walks on.

All of the above plus the eye watering cost of a ticket.

This isn’t a Burnley thing and Parker cannot be blamed (although some will blame him) for the reasons given above.

On Boxing Day I spent £60 watching Bury v Rammy, that included a few beers and a meal in a curry house.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by JohnMcGreal » Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:46 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:03 pm
55 quid today if you wanted a decent seat and not risk getting ****** wet through.
Daylight robbery.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by MT03ALG » Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:54 am

Just about ALL German clubs have their own club songs which ALL fans sing.
Nearly ALL fans wear their club colours, especially scarves.
Both home and away fans support their own team almost non-stop throughout the game.
They do not abuse the other supporters.
The stadia have seating and standing areas.
You drink beer etc. at your seat, at which beer etc. is often served.
The variety of food/drink is excellent.
All food/beer/wine outlets are open about 2 hours before AND AFTER every game.
When the teams are announced the stadium 'speaker' announces the first name, the fans shout the surname.
They do the same for any goalscorers, often repeated two or three times.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by Row x » Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:55 am

NL Claret wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:23 am
It goes back to the empty seats debate.

Reasons for empty seats yesterday, ST holders.

The weather.
Hangover
Prior engagements.
It’s on TV.

Reasons for empty seats for walks on.

All of the above plus the eye watering cost of a ticket.

This isn’t a Burnley thing and Parker cannot be blamed (although some will blame him) for the reasons given above.

On Boxing Day I spent £60 watching Bury v Rammy, that included a few beers and a meal in a curry house.
I think the fact that you can watch most games legally now on sky is the big reason this season, it makes all the other reasons easier not to go

I would also add poor or non existent public transport to yesterday's reasons not to attend

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by NL Claret » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:03 am

Row x wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:55 am
I think the fact that you can watch most games legally now on sky is the big reason this season, it makes all the other reasons easier not to go

I would also add poor or non existent public transport to yesterday's reasons not to attend
Correct, Sky Sports + is not a good thing for attendances, both when they have blanket coverage of a game week of fixtures and when games are moved to 1230.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by Newchurch Claret » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:16 am

Contrast with the atmosphere at Sunderland. Granted, that was a “big game” but the brand of attacking football gets the fans involved and off their seats. As Burnley fans, we have nothing to get excited or enthused about with this turgid Parkerball. It’s boring.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by CaptJohn » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:34 am

Right now I think the players are more comfortable playing away because of the groans and moans from the stands at home. We all pay good money to watch the lads and are entitled to our opinions but it wasn't a nice atmosphere yesterday.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by rincon » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:34 am

I thought the atmosphere in the 2nd half was quite good at times. From the BLS could hear all the other stands at various stages. It wasn't good all the time, but NYE hangovers don't help.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by ArmchairDetective » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:42 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:46 am
Daylight robbery.
It's not to the person that's willing to pay it. I wouldn't be. I'd go for a cheaper seat. But some would pay it because they can and because they want the best seats in the house.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by dvalley69 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:05 am

MT03ALG wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 9:54 am
Just about ALL German clubs have their own club songs which ALL fans sing.
Nearly ALL fans wear their club colours, especially scarves.
Both home and away fans support their own team almost non-stop throughout the game.
They do not abuse the other supporters.
The stadia have seating and standing areas.
You drink beer etc. at your seat, at which beer etc. is often served.
The variety of food/drink is excellent.
All food/beer/wine outlets are open about 2 hours before AND AFTER every game.
When the teams are announced the stadium 'speaker' announces the first name, the fans shout the surname.
They do the same for any goalscorers, often repeated two or three times.
Great post and it shows the difference in football mentality. It now seems that the average Burnley fan has finally been brainwashed into thinking they are now customers and want to be treated as one therefore losing any sense of club identity and considering one's own selfish needs, i.e. being entertained and getting value for money. No one cares about this in Germany and they have fought tooth and nail to keep it as less commercialised as possible, creating a real fan experience. No doubt if their team isn't doing well they'll moan but still get behind the team nonetheless and create an atmosphere. It might be the same week in week out, and some say that's fabricated and manufactured, but it's a damn sight more interesting and enjoyable than rocking up wanting to be entertained and moaning half the time when you don't get what you expect - players are not machines and can turn it on when they like!! Similar experience in Italy although attendances are generally much lower and signing only concentrated in the curva sections behind the goals.

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Re: Turf Morgue

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:35 am

CaptJohn wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:34 am
Right now I think the players are more comfortable playing away because of the groans and moans from the stands at home. We all pay good money to watch the lads and are entitled to our opinions but it wasn't a nice atmosphere yesterday.
Given the crap served up at home all season, I think the crowd is remarkably patient. The reason we tend to win away is that the opposition generally try and attack at least a bit.

Parker doesn't have a clue how to break down a low block and does nothing different week after week at home. Fie example, trying 2 up top.

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