United v foxes

[Dark Cloud]

And there have been a number of games where we benefitted, where only a camera could have detected a handball or foul. We went on to win one or three points on a number of occasions. Yes there are still many subjective things with VAR.Linesmen for example have absolutely no way of keeping up with some of todays professional footballers and you often see them yards behind play. Last night was inexcusable-the linesmen should be struck off-he was absolutely in line with the 3 United players. VAR would have dismissed it within 10 seconds

All correct, but my point really is that with solely "humans" in charge you get good and bad decisions and it's "swings and roundabouts". With VAR in the game it's still exactly the same, so it's not enhanced things or changed anything really.

[bobinho]

I’m really not dissecting it that much. Yes, of course goals that stand now wouldn’t if the rule was “off is off”. My point is simply that the game would change, not some previously played segments of play. It worked perfectly fine for decades, and now it doesn’t? All I really want to remove is the vagueness behind it - the “opinion” of what is interfering with play and what isn’t, because like common sense, it differs massively depending on who you ask.
In the case you refer to dsr, there would probably be three disallowed goals. That doesnt automatically mean there’s been a disservice to us.

[dsr]

I’m really not dissecting it that much. Yes, of course goals that stand now wouldn’t if the rule was “off is off”. My point is simply that the game would change, not some previously played segments of play. It worked perfectly fine for decades, and now it doesn’t? All I really want to remove is the vagueness behind it - the “opinion” of what is interfering with play and what isn’t, because like common sense, it differs massively depending on who you ask.
In the case you refer to dsr, there would probably be three disallowed goals. That doesnt automatically mean there’s been a disservice to us.

Disservice to football, really.

Remember that as well as forwards changing their behaviour, so would defenders. If the forward is sitting within a yard or two of the defensive line, the defence can push up at the right time and offside is given for the centre half passing back to the goalkeeper.

If you want to argue for less offside and more goals being given, I would understand. But you're arguing to make goals massively more difficult to score - why?

[Claretincraven]

Just a thought, but might the officials have been instructed to allow a blatantly offside goal, when VAR wasnt available and the goal wouldn’t be disallowed, to try convince people that VAR is good and should be retained. It seems totally inconceivable that the AR missed 4 United players in blatantly offside positions, unless he did it on purpose.
Bit of a conspiracy theory I know, but try come up with a better explanation.

[bobinho]

Disservice to football, really.

Remember that as well as forwards changing their behaviour, so would defenders. If the forward is sitting within a yard or two of the defensive line, the defence can push up at the right time and offside is given for the centre half passing back to the goalkeeper.

If you want to argue for less offside and more goals being given, I would understand. But you're arguing to make goals massively more difficult to score - why?

Can’t make head nor tail of your second paragraph… how can anyone be offside from a centre half passing back to the keeper?

I’ve already explained that I’m not advocating for rules to be changed just to disqualify goals or make the game worse. I’d like to remove the vagueness behind “interfering with play”.
Example:
Mo Salah scores against us at Anfield, but Darwin is in an offside position. At the moment the goal stands as Darwin isn’t interfering according to the referee. But what if Esteve decides not do deal with Salah because he sees Darwin yards off?
Foster scores against Liverpool but Flemming is in an offside position. This goal could be disallowed because Flemming was deemed to be interfering, even though to me or you, he wasn’t. Yes, I know it all sounds conspiratorial, but it certainly happens.

The game wasn’t worse before this change.
I’m all for more goals, it’s exciting. But what this not interfering rule does FOR scoring, VAR removes because every goal is scrutinised for absolutely everything. I’d sooner have off is off, and no VAR.

[dougcollins]

The prem officials have forgotten how to do the job properly because of VAR.

Yes, there are mistakes in the Championship, but I bet that incident would have been dealt with better.

[Rileybobs]

Just a thought, but might the officials have been instructed to allow a blatantly offside goal, when VAR wasnt available and the goal wouldn’t be disallowed, to try convince people that VAR is good and should be retained.

No.

[Colburn_Claret]

The point of VAR is that, if applied correctly, it need take no time at all for offside. The Leicester goal could have been reviewed in 5 seconds to show he was level therefore it's a goal; the United second might have taken 10 seconds just to be sure. The reason offside VAR spoils the game as much as it does is because they take "level" to mean "the width of a toenail" when it was never intended to mean that.

The proof of the pudding is they don't have any of the issues on the continent, or internationally, that we do in England. VAR will only ever be as good as the officials who operate it. We have a long way to go.

[dsr]

Can’t make head nor tail of your second paragraph… how can anyone be offside from a centre half passing back to the keeper?

At present, if Flemming is in an offside position when Esteve plays the ball to Trafford, then Flemming is not flagged offside because he is not interfering with play.

If the interfering with play rule was scrapped, he would be flagged.