Stewards At Burnley CC

[wilks_bfc]

I thought to get in the CC now you had to walk around the ground like fans do for the Longside ? Aren’t Stewards in the car park to stop the cutting through ? ( just before CFS entrance ) Or are fans supposed to be allowed to just enter the CC by the normal entrance next to the new away fans entrance ?

The only way home fans can get to the CC through the entrance gate off Belvedere Road.

There should be no BFC stewards on that gate

There only BFC steward needed would at the pedestrian gate in the fence between BCC and Ormerod Yard

[ŽižkovClaret]

Go on, I’ll bite.

Why up the house for this?

Paul, BCC member

[ŽižkovClaret]

Won't be any Burnley FC stewards at Burnley's Biggest Bonfire at LHCC on the 1st November after Burnley v Arsenal!

Well, unless they are doubling up haha

UTH

[Loyalclaret]

[ŽižkovClaret]

Where is that? Won't be blocked from view by the Cardiff Coaches being parked up?

[Row x]

I bet there's a lot less home fans going though, certainly after the game.

How many though?
Not enough to ruin the club, which is the point I was responding to
The extra away fans will make up the loss

[manuelbenny]

"Pace waging war against the cricket club"

That's a weird suggestion, most of the cricket clubs income on match day is from away fans.

The new set up, with away supporters coaches parked right outside, means more might go into the cricket club, whereas before they went straight into the ground and bought drinks and food in there, so in effect its actually taking business away from the football club.

Haven't the cricket club launched a "BIGGER, BETTER, AND OPEN TO ALL FANS" fanzone this season???
I suggest Pace won't have been happy about that? what do you think?

We have now got this crappy little tunnel, fans have been switched (a lot of home fans in cricket field have a worse view) not to mention the inconvenience of many in getting in and out of the stadium. It really is a joke!

[manuelbenny]

To be honest I can see Pace' and the Burnley Board's point of view a little as it's taking punters away from the BFC fanzone
But I don't see the club objecting to the Royal Dyche and all the other pubs under the culvert who have turned their establishments into shrines to the football club

[manuelbenny]

https://www.burnleycricketclub.com/blog ... park-press

[ŽižkovClaret]

To be honest I can see Pace' and the Burnley Board's point of view a little as it's taking punters away from the BFC fanzone
But I don't see the club objecting to the Royal Dyche and all the other pubs under the culvert who have turned their establishments into shrines to the football club

The Dyche is a good PR vehicle for the club, and largely speaking they wont be serving the same demographic. The issue, i suspect with the BCC Fan Zone is it does butt heads, deliberately or otherwise, with what BFC are seeking to provide on a very nearby footprint to the Club's own fanzone

P.S.

UTH

[ŽižkovClaret]

https://www.burnleycricketclub.com/blog ... park-press

How could the football club NOT see that as directly competing with its own Fan zone offering?

[Row x]

Haven't the cricket club launched a "BIGGER, BETTER, AND OPEN TO ALL FANS" fanzone this season???
I suggest Pace won't have been happy about that? what do you think?

We have now got this crappy little tunnel, fans have been switched (a lot of home fans in cricket field have a worse view) not to mention the inconvenience of many in getting in and out of the stadium. It really is a joke!

I dont know what he thinks, but his actions have only made it easier for the majority of customers to access the cricket club, and as such taking away business from the football club, to the benefit of the cricket club
I think you are using the wrong argument to forward your dislike of the americans

[Row x]

The Dyche is a good PR vehicle for the club, and largely speaking they wont be serving the same demographic. The issue, i suspect with the BCC Fan Zone is it does butt heads, deliberately or otherwise, with what BFC are seeking to provide on a very nearby footprint to the Club's own fanzone

P.S.

UTH

One caters for away fans, one caters for home fans, not sure how that butts heads

[dushanbe]

The Dyche is a good PR vehicle for the club, and largely speaking they wont be serving the same demographic. The issue, i suspect with the BCC Fan Zone is it does butt heads, deliberately or otherwise, with what BFC are seeking to provide on a very nearby footprint to the Club's own fanzone

P.S.

UTH

The club could always try and do what is generally considered good business practice and compete on price rather than the blunt instrument approach currently employed (if that is the master plan)

[ŽižkovClaret]

One caters for away fans, one caters for home fans, not sure how that butts heads

Did you read the BCC press release? It makes a very clear point about welcoming all fans, home and away.....

[manuelbenny]

I dont know what he thinks, but his actions have only made it easier for the majority of customers to access the cricket club, and as such taking away business from the football club, to the benefit of the cricket club
I think you are using the wrong argument to forward your dislike of the americans

I don't get your argument at all..
I would suggest the BFC powers-that-be are trying their very best to stop people accessing the Cricket Club...ie. putting barriers at the top of Belvedere Road, Making people having to walk all the way around the cricket club and the football club, passing BFC's fanzone, to get to their seats in the North Stand and Jimmy Mac

Why do you think I have a dislike for the Americans? Just because I disagree completely with this decision which has caused endless amounts of inconvenience to fans, particularly those with immobility issues, just to stop people going to the cricket club

[Row x]

Did you read the BCC press release? It makes a very clear point about welcoming all fans, home and away.....

I also read, every home game, releases from the cricket club, and Burnley police that the cricket club is the place for away fans, that's what its aimed at, take away fans to somewhere else nobody would go to the cricket club

When I go away, I usually follow the police advice as to which pubs to go in, usually they are full of Burnley fans, with few locals in
The cricket club is the same for fans visiting Burnley, I cannot think of anything worse than having a pre match drink in a club full of away fans
It serves a great purpose, and the new set up has made it easier for them to attract their bread and butter, matchday clientele.

[Row x]

I don't get your argument at all..
I would suggest the BFC powers-that-be are trying their very best to stop people accessing the Cricket Club...ie. putting barriers at the top of Belvedere Road, Making people having to walk all the way around the cricket club and the football club, passing BFC's fanzone, to get to their seats in the North Stand and Jimmy Mac

Why do you think I have a dislike for the Americans? Just because I disagree completely with this decision which has caused endless amounts of inconvenience to fans, particularly those with immobility issues, just to stop people going to the cricket club

The cricket club is mainly for away fans, who now find it easier to get access
Previously coaches dropped away fans by the turnstiles, who went straight in and spent money with BFC, now they are dropped by the cricket club, so spend their money there.

Your previous anti American comments led me to think you disliked them

[Leisure]

One caters for away fans, one caters for home fans, not sure how that butts heads

The cricket club caters for both home and away fans and always has. Home fans previously, particularly after a game.

[Claretnick]

Just thinking out loud here but I wonder if the football club American owners have considered buying the cricket club. They must look at that prime land with envious eyes...

[The Shire Claret]

I also read, every home game, releases from the cricket club, and Burnley police that the cricket club is the place for away fans, that's what its aimed at, take away fans to somewhere else nobody would go to the cricket club

When I go away, I usually follow the police advice as to which pubs to go in, usually they are full of Burnley fans, with few locals in
The cricket club is the same for fans visiting Burnley, I cannot think of anything worse than having a pre match drink in a club full of away fans
It serves a great purpose, and the new set up has made it easier for them to attract their bread and butter, matchday clientele.

That's not entirely right though ... the great thing about the cricket club is that it's 'mixed' with home and away fans ....

Its great to see and it shouldn't become difficult for a home fan that has always gone there, to get there.

It's not and never has been away fans only ...

[aggi]

I also read, every home game, releases from the cricket club, and Burnley police that the cricket club is the place for away fans, that's what its aimed at, take away fans to somewhere else nobody would go to the cricket club

When I go away, I usually follow the police advice as to which pubs to go in, usually they are full of Burnley fans, with few locals in
The cricket club is the same for fans visiting Burnley, I cannot think of anything worse than having a pre match drink in a club full of away fans
It serves a great purpose, and the new set up has made it easier for them to attract their bread and butter, matchday clientele.

Certainly post match there are (or were in previous seasons) a lot more home fans than away fans in there. Pre-match it varied by team but there were always plenty of Burnley fans in there.

Although personally I'm not convinced by the club is out to sink the cricket club theory. I think they've unfortunately suffered from a bigger plan and it's more likely a bit of incompetent stewarding than instructions to keep fans away from the cricket club.

[manuelbenny]

I also read, every home game, releases from the cricket club, and Burnley police that the cricket club is the place for away fans, that's what its aimed at, take away fans to somewhere else nobody would go to the cricket club

When I go away, I usually follow the police advice as to which pubs to go in, usually they are full of Burnley fans, with few locals in
The cricket club is the same for fans visiting Burnley, I cannot think of anything worse than having a pre match drink in a club full of away fans
It serves a great purpose, and the new set up has made it easier for them to attract their bread and butter, matchday clientele.

Yes, but home fans still go to the cricket club and the previous set-up was hardly difficult for away fans after they had parked up on Belvedere Road to make their way around to the cricket club.
But obviously Pace has got wind of this new bigger and better fanzone at the cricket club (catering for home and away fans) and now tons of Burnley fans, especially those with immobility issues, have been seriously inconvenienced to the point some of them have missed the start of the season

[Row x]

The cricket club caters for both home and away fans and always has. Home fans previously, particularly after a game.

Mainly away fans before the game.
Now easier for them to access
Not an act by pace to ruin the club, which was the one, and only point I was responding to.

[manuelbenny]

The cricket club is mainly for away fans, who now find it easier to get access
Previously coaches dropped away fans by the turnstiles, who went straight in and spent money with BFC, now they are dropped by the cricket club, so spend their money there.

Your previous anti American comments led me to think you disliked them

Well i don't dislike them. But this decision they have made is ridiculous

[Row x]

Yes, but home fans still go to the cricket club and the previous set-up was hardly difficult for away fans after they had parked up on Belvedere Road to make their way around to the cricket club.
But obviously Pace has got wind of this new bigger and better fanzone at the cricket club (catering for home and away fans) and now tons of Burnley fans, especially those with immobility issues, have been seriously inconvenienced to the point some of them have missed the start of the season

I'll say it once again, the only point I was responding to, was that Pace was trying to ruin the cricket club, which is nonsense

Mobility issues, fans being moved etc are a completely different issue which I'm not mentioning

[Row x]

Well i don't dislike them. But this decision they have made is ridiculous

I know, fancy putting more money into the cricket club, absolutely ridiculous.

[dsr]

To be honest I can see Pace' and the Burnley Board's point of view a little as it's taking punters away from the BFC fanzone
But I don't see the club objecting to the Royal Dyche and all the other pubs under the culvert who have turned their establishments into shrines to the football club

Asda may object if Joe Bloggs' minimarket is taking customers from them. But that doesn't give them the right to close roads and tell people that Joe Bloggs isn't accepting customers.

BRC is entitled, if they so wish, to close the route from the cricket club to the Long Side Stand with a fence on their own land. BFC is not entitled to close Belvedere Road to cricket club patrons.

[The Shire Claret]

Mainly away fans before the game.
Now easier for them to access
Not an act by pace to ruin the club, which was the one, and only point I was responding to.

I don't think that's the sole intention either but if the club are informed about this and the issues their new planning is causing the CC then they should make amendments accordingly.

[Barlickclaret]

The new planning is probably better for the park view, better for all the pubs and clubs around the culvert, it's the cricket clubs job to act against these changes to entice fans to make the extra effort.

[Row x]

Asda may object if Joe Bloggs' minimarket is taking customers from them. But that doesn't give them the right to close roads and tell people that Joe Bloggs isn't accepting customers.

BRC is entitled, if they so wish, to close the route from the cricket club to the Long Side Stand with a fence on their own land. BFC is not entitled to close Belvedere Road to cricket club patrons.

The police are the only ones who can close a road
They regularly tweet which roads are open on a matchday, and how you can gain access to the cricket club
What more do you want?

[ŽižkovClaret]

Asda may object if Joe Bloggs' minimarket is taking customers from them. But that doesn't give them the right to close roads and tell people that Joe Bloggs isn't accepting customers.

BRC is entitled, if they so wish, to close the route from the cricket club to the Long Side Stand with a fence on their own land. BFC is not entitled to close Belvedere Road to cricket club patrons.

I wonder if they could close Belvedere Rd on safety grounds, should they wish?

[Row x]

The new planning is probably better for the park view, better for all the pubs and clubs around the culvert, it's the cricket clubs job to act against these changes to entice fans to make the extra effort.

They dont really need to do anything...the customers are now being dropped off at their entrance

[Row x]

I wonder if they could close Belvedere Rd on safety grounds, should they wish?

The club couldn't

[manuelbenny]

I'll say it once again, the only point I was responding to, was that Pace was trying to ruin the cricket club, which is nonsense

Mobility issues, fans being moved etc are a completely different issue which I'm not mentioning

Okay then...so you tell me why the fans have been switched? What's the reasoning?
Why are there road blocks at the top of Belvedere Road near the fire station?
You say Pace is doing the cricket club a favour by attracting the away fans....but they were attracting the away fans anyway

I am not saying Pace is trying to ruin the cricket club, but IMHO he's obviously not happy about the cricket club making money on the back of BFC with this new BIGGER and BETTER fanzone. I can kind of see BFC's point of view, but there's loads of pubs using BFC's name to boost their businesses

All I am saying is tons of fans have been inconvenienced.
I am mentioning the mobility issues because it's a major factor

[Row x]

I don't think that's the sole intention either but if the club are informed about this and the issues their new planning is causing the CC then they should make amendments accordingly.

I know this post will be removed, hopefully some will see it beforehand
There is an event shortly, where people can look the Chairman in the eye, and ask all the questions they want about the changes

[manuelbenny]

I know, fancy putting more money into the cricket club, absolutely ridiculous.

Really?

[The Shire Claret]

They dont really need to do anything...the customers are now being dropped off at their entrance

Dropping the Home fans at the door ?

I'm sure you're on a wind up lol

It's a Mixed place ... not away fans only

And home fans go in after .... which is now more difficult


I am not against the changes and see what the club are trying to do with he busses for the kids etc... but I didn't think about the CC

it's simple for me .... no other business should suffer and if they do, that's not right

You can't say that it isn't like you are ... only the the owner of the CC can tell us

You've even said it's increasing their business... when you have no idea about that

[Row x]

Okay then...so you tell me why the fans have been switched? What's the reasoning?
Why are there road blocks at the top of Belvedere Road near the fire station?
You say Pace is doing the cricket club a favour by attracting the away fans....but they were attracting the away fans anyway

I am not saying Pace is trying to ruin the cricket club, but IMHO he's obviously not happy about the cricket club making money on the back of BFC with this new BIGGER and BETTER fanzone. I can kind of see BFC's point of view, but there's loads of pubs using BFC's name to boost their businesses

All I am saying is tons of fans have been inconvenienced.
I am mentioning the mobility issues because it's a major factor

I've not mentioned any of the points, other than the posters view, that all this was brought about to ruin the cricket club

I've said previously I dont agree with the moves inside the ground, the lack of communication about them.....but that's not what I'm talking about on this particular discussion

[Row x]

Dropping the Home fans at the door ?

I'm sure you're on a wind up lol

It's a Mixed place ... not away fans only

And home fans go in after .... which is now more difficult


I am not against the changes and see what the club are trying to do with he busses for the kids etc... but I didn't think about the CC

it's simple for me .... no other business should suffer and if they do, that's not right

You can say that it isn't like you are ... only the the owner of the CC can tell us

Did I say home fans were dropped at the door

If you think the cricket club is anything other than the designated away pub, please tell the police, who inform every away club its the only place to go. It's now easier for them to gain entry.

[The Shire Claret]

Did I say home fans were dropped at the door

If you think the cricket club is anything other than the designated away pub, please tell the police, who inform every away club its the only place to go. It's now easier for them to gain entry.

It's a credit to the friendly nature of the CC and the home fans that go there that the police advise away fans to go there.

Maybe stubbornness preventing you to accept that home fans go there too and are affected by this ?

Saying the CC are now going to be better for it us a bit of a ridiculous statement to say the least when posters affiliated with the CC have said it's doing the complete opposite.

You seem to have a narrative with nothing solid to back it up but still fighting it.

[manuelbenny]

Asda may object if Joe Bloggs' minimarket is taking customers from them. But that doesn't give them the right to close roads and tell people that Joe Bloggs isn't accepting customers.

BRC is entitled, if they so wish, to close the route from the cricket club to the Long Side Stand with a fence on their own land. BFC is not entitled to close Belvedere Road to cricket club patrons.

I agree mate...have you read my posts??? I am trying to take a rounded view.
My major gripe is the inconvenience all this has caused

[Row x]

It's a credit to the friendly nature of the CC and the home fans that go there that the police advise away fans to go there.

Maybe stubbornness preventing you to accept that home fans go there too and are affected by this ?

Saying the CC are now going to be better for it us a bit of a ridiculous statement to say the least when posters affiliated with the CC have said it's doing the complete opposite.

You seem to have a narrative with nothing solid to back it up but still fighting it.

No narrative at all, apart from the original comment I replied to, which I'm fed up of repeating
As for being a welcoming place, that might be the intent, but they can't be responsible for the behaviour of the fans
I've been in 3 times, on each occasion had to listen to anti Burnley chants
No different to away friendly pubs Burnley fans visit...not the best place for home fans

[The Shire Claret]

No narrative at all, apart from the original comment I replied to, which I'm fed up of repeating
As for being a welcoming place, that might be the intent, but they can't be responsible for the behaviour of the fans
I've been in 3 times, on each occasion had to listen to anti Burnley chants
No different to away friendly pubs Burnley fans visit...not the best place for home fans

I'm referring to

'They dont really need to do anything...the customers are now being dropped off at their entrance'

and

' I know, fancy putting more money into the cricket club, absolutely ridiculous.'

If people that go there are saying it's being affected and are experiencing it .... the club should do something about it if they are not trying to drive customers away.


Like I said , I'm not against the changes but it's should never affect someones business , especially a local one.

[Row x]

I'm referring to

'They dont really need to do anything...the customers are now being dropped off at their entrance'

and

' I know, fancy putting more money into the cricket club, absolutely ridiculous.'

If people that go there are saying it's being affected and are experiencing it .... the club should do something about it if they are not trying to drive customers away.


Like I said , I'm not against the changes but it's should never affect someones business , especially a local one.

The majority of their customers are away fans...they are being dropped off as close to the cricket club that is possible.
Previously they were dropped off by the away turnstiles and went straight into the ground.. now the cricket club is the option
I've seen members complaining about the stewards, I might have missed it, but haven't seen anything about loss of revenue at the cricket club.

[Barlickclaret]

Surely it's not affecting bcc as a business, the cricket season has finished,the football club is a bonus to the cricket club because how near it is. No other cricket club at that level have so much income in the close season, now the FC is in the prem aswell means the away end is full most games.

[Elizabeth]

On X:
'Burnley FC Independent Supporters Association
@BurnleyFCISA
We have been made aware that many fans today have been denied entry to Burnley Cricket Club pre-match, by stewards working on behalf of the football club. We will try to seek clarification on this as it is our understanding that this should not be happening.'

I've looked on the board for this, but can't see anything. Is this referring to the chaos caused by man with cone in the road mentioned on the access for home fans thread, or is this another issue? As in stewards stopping pedestrians from entering the premises? Pretty serious if the second.....

I know BurnleyFCISA use this forum as a major source of recruitment. I would like to see an updated quote from them on this particular issue which seems to have stirred the pot.

[The Shire Claret]

The majority of their customers are away fans...they are being dropped off as close to the cricket club that is possible.
Previously they were dropped off by the away turnstiles and went straight into the ground.. now the cricket club is the option
I've seen members complaining about the stewards, I might have missed it, but haven't seen anything about loss of revenue at the cricket club.

Majority of away fans don't travel by coach.

It is what it is , just don't agree on this one

[Row x]

Majority of away fans don't travel by coach.

It is what it is , just don't agree on this one

A lot do, and now have easier access

That's fair enough, and we've had a decent discussion regarding it, thank you.

[Inchy]

I suspect this has nothing to do with the FC, other than the fact they pay peanuts to stewards and therefore don’t attract the most dynamic individuals.


Far more likely that a couple of stewards have the wrong end of the stick, rather than some grand conspiracy