CLARETS V Weeds MATCH THREAD

[evensteadiereddie]

The criticisms are being based upon performances & results over a longish period of time now it’s hardly knee jerk!

What ?

[evensteadiereddie]

So it's your opinion that the players don't care, newcastle, not "certainly" at all....

[bfcjg]

It's not the defeats, it's the nanner of the defeats.

[Newcastleclaret93]

So it's your opinion that the players don't care, newcastle, not "certainly" at all....

Well the fact that Dyche is even highlighting the lack of effort now, kind of supports my thesis that the players don’t care.

[evensteadiereddie]

Have you got a cold , bfcjg......

[evensteadiereddie]

Did he say players don't care, players weren't trying ?

[Somethingfishy]

I did but that's hardly a ringing endorsement of SD , is it ? So you'd keep him on then even if we go down ?



I know I would.

It is a criticism of the bizarre mentality that he is the ONLY man that can keep us up and the ONLY man that could get us back up. It is complete hogwash.

To what depths would we have to go before the fanboys realise he is sackable? I'm genuinely intrigued. Do we have to be fighting relegation from the Championship before they think enough is enough or would he be the ONLY man to get us up from League 1?

I'm not so much anti-Dyche..though I'm heading that way at the moment as anti this ridiculous sentiment we have towards him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Did he say players don't care, players weren't trying ?

Said that the Leeds players wanted it more and showed an edge to there game.

I was honestly disgusted at some of the body language today. These are multi millionaires that couldn’t even be bothered to give it there all.

[evensteadiereddie]

Again, it's realism, fishy.
And, for what it's worth, I'd give him a year from now and see how we're doing in the Championship, as I've said on here before. If we're within striking distance of the top six or even better after potentially extensive surgery to the squad, he stays longer.
Again, I'll ask who do you see as a replacement, sentimental or otherwise ?

[TheFamilyCat]

Said that the Leeds players wanted it more and showed an edge to there game.

I was honestly disgusted at some of the body language today. These are multi millionaires that couldn’t even be bothered to give it there all.

Hate to be the spelling police but it's THEIR, FFS.

[Safron]

Doesn't bode well

[evensteadiereddie]

Said that the Leeds players wanted it more and showed an edge to there game.

I was honestly disgusted at some of the body language today. These are multi millionaires that couldn’t even be bothered to give it there all.

So he didn't say those things at all and your disgust is based purely on how you chose to see it and not as certainty, as you claimed earlier.

[Somethingfishy]

Again, it's realism, fishy.
And, for what it's worth, I'd give him a year from now and see how we're doing in the Championship, as I've said on here before. If we're within striking distance of the top six or even better after potentially extensive surgery to the squad, he stays longer.
Again, I'll ask who do you see as a replacement, sentimental or otherwise ?

To be honest I don't know. I haven't really given it much thought because before the last few weeks I was ok with him. I would trust Pace to come up with a good candidate though. There are plenty of "names" out there and plenty we don't know about..assistant managers/coaches who could be interested.

I don't buy into the idea is the only guy that can save us.

[Steve1956]

As weak a PL side as I've ever seen

Obviously by going of most of your posts you were not born in the 2007/8 season when Derby got 11 points all season,you really need to come out of the closet and tell us who you really support,because it's certainly not Burnley.

[Bosscat]

It's not the defeats, it's the nanner of the defeats.

My nanna was never defeated ... she never surrendered

[Dannyh1882]

When is Dyche going to be interviewed by someone that isn't blowing smoke up his ass and ask the questions that us supporters really want asking! Who is this Clown on the official website "Well Gaffer this and well Gaffer that" its all ********! I've got a question "Sean why have we not won a ******* game of football in what seems like a life time and why do you just do and say the sames crap week in week out?

[KRBFC]

Obviously by going of most of your posts you were not born in the 2007/8 season when Derby got 11 points all season,you really need to come out of the closet and tell us who you really support,because it's certainly not Burnley.

The weak team got put to the sword and hammered, I'd have expected backlash if we'd have won but i'm surprised you quoted me after we got thrashed. Yes I was born to see Derby, we were missing a couple from the 11 today and it looked really poor on paper because of it.

As for the ''you're not a Burnley supporter'' nonsense, a couple of the moderators sat next to me on the Turf under Cotterill and has already verified I'm 100% a born and raised BFC fan.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'll say it through gritted teeth, Steve, but you're absolutely spot on. This KRBFC guy's been waiting for years for this. Pretending to go to games, Silent for a couple of seasons, carping and sniping for the rest now it's "Look at me, I''m an expert, I told you we'd struggle."
No effin ****, Sherlock.

[Bosscat]

When is Dyche going to be interviewed by someone that isn't blowing smoke up his ass and ask the questions that us supporters really want asking! Who is this Clown on the official website "Well Gaffer this and well Gaffer that" its all ********! I've got a question "Sean why have we not won a ******* game of football in what seems like a life time and why do you just do and say the sames crap week in week out?

If someone said to me "why do you just do and say the sames crap week in week out?" I would say "when you can speak English sonny I will answer you"

[evensteadiereddie]

"As for the ''you're not a Burnley supporter'' nonsense, a couple of the moderators sat next to me on the Turf under Cotterill and has already verified I'm 100% a born and raised BFC fan."

I thought it was your grandad they sat with and, even if what you say might be true, what's happened to you since then ?

[KRBFC]

I'll say it through gritted teeth, Steve, but you're absolutely spot on. This KRBFC guy's been waiting for years for this. Pretending to go to games, Silent for a couple of seasons, carping and sniping for the rest now it's "Look at me, I''m an expert, I told you we'd struggle."
No effin ****, Sherlock.

When have I been silent for seasons? I've been here the entire time, saying it how I see it, as always. Last season I gave Dyche a pass because of the constraints he worked under.

As for pretending to go to games, that myth was put to bed years ago.

It's actually quite funny, the ones who question if I'm a Burnley fan or not are typically glory seeking fans who don't live in Burnley, they're just cling on fans imo.

[KRBFC]

"As for the ''you're not a Burnley supporter'' nonsense, a couple of the moderators sat next to me on the Turf under Cotterill and has already verified I'm 100% a born and raised BFC fan."

I thought it was your grandad they sat with and, even if what you say might be true, what's happened to you since then ?

It was me and my Grandad, I walked him up the BL stairs for years after a family member he sat with before that died from a motorcycle accident. My Grandad became ill and couldn't attend anymore so I got a ST with friends in the JHU during Coyle/Laws.

[ClaretAL]

The agenda for some on here are unbelievable, we have the "I'm not happy with what is happening" who are then berated by those who cant/dont want to agree rather than just not answer at all. berating someone personally to avoid the situation being discussed is just wrong, unless there is evidence to the contrary in which case put that forward rather then getting in to a mud slinging contest.

[Steve1956]

The weak team got put to the sword and hammered, I'd have expected backlash if we'd have won but i'm surprised you quoted me after we got thrashed. Yes I was born to see Derby, we were missing a couple from the 11 today and it looked really poor on paper because of it.

As for the ''you're not a Burnley supporter'' nonsense, a couple of the moderators sat next to me on the Turf under Cotterill and has already verified I'm 100% a born and raised BFC fan.

Time to get behind the team and show that support then....

[Elizabeth]

Lethargic first half performance characterised by misplaced passes from several different players.
A different team came out the second half and we were worthy of our equaliser , a brilliant free kick by our only quality player.
When the game was in the balance the manager was unwilling to , or incapable of , making the changes as Leeds started to get control of the game. Not for the first time this has happened this season and for me the main reason we are where we are in the league.
Stephens needed to be on but , even after a promising sub appearance in midweek, was ignored. The manager’s decision and of course he’s the one paid to decide.
We know the players have been outstanding in following instructions but it didn’t look like some of them did that too well today. I don’t want to present anything stronger than that while I am upset with the performance.
If the rumoured current interest in one of our ever present young players is more than that I hope we sell now and get the best price there will ever be for him. He won’t be missed because he has been a shadow of himself nearly all season

[KRBFC]

Time to get behind the team and show that support then....

Make no mistake, when that whistle blows the team has my full support. If the team deserves criticism, I will criticise. I say what I see, one thing that will never change is I was born in Burnley, live in Burnley and will be a Burnley fan until my last breath.

I'm not sure what you took such offence too either, today's starting 11 on paper (without Cornet/Brownhill/Pope) looked incredibly weak and old, I don't think it's too controversial to suggest it's one of the weakest I can recall in PL history.

[Bosscat]

The agenda for some on here are unbelievable, we have the "I'm not happy with what is happening" who are then berated by those who cant/dont want to agree rather than just not answer at all. berating someone personally to avoid the situation being discussed is just wrong, unless there is evidence to the contrary in which case put that forward rather then getting in to a mud slinging contest.

A reason to basically stay off social media for a while after a defeat methinks

[Dark Cloud]

The first goal today absolutely summed up why we'll almost certainly go down and it's exactly what happens to all teams who succumb to relegation. A complete blunder, followed by ALMOST salvaging the situation and then a scabby, rather lucky finish ends up in the net. The epitome of the kind of goal relegation fodder tend to concede unfortunately and sums us up rather well.

[Steve1956]

Make no mistake, when that whistle blows the team has my full support. If the team deserves criticism, I will criticise. I say what I see, one thing that will never change is I was born in Burnley, live in Burnley and will be a Burnley fan until my last breath.

I'm not sure what you took such offence too either, today's starting 11 on paper (without Cornet/Brownhill/Pope) looked incredibly weak and old, I don't think it's too controversial to suggest it's one of the weakest I can recall in PL history.

You didn't offend me earlier,I just find your constant criticism a bit trying,sorry but it does grate after a while,maybe I shouldn't cling on as you call it with not living locally anymore to my support of the club.

[KRBFC]

You didn't offend me earlier,I just find your constant criticism a bit trying,sorry but it does grate after a while,maybe I shouldn't cling on as you call it with not living locally anymore to my support of the club.

I just find the ones who question others support typically don't live local/weren't born local, it's like projecting their own insecurity onto others.

[Steve1956]

I just find the ones who question others support typically don't live local/weren't born local, it's like projecting their own insecurity onto others.

[DCWat]

I just find the ones who question others support typically don't live local/weren't born local, it's like projecting their own insecurity onto others.

A tad sweeping, KRBFC.

I’m Yorkshire born and bred and as you, can be critical. You’ll undoubtedly get Burnley as a place more than I do, but your support for them won’t be any more or any less than my own.

[KRBFC]

A tad sweeping, KRBFC.

I’m Yorkshire born and bred and as you, can be critical. You’ll undoubtedly get Burnley as a place more than I do, but your support for them won’t be any more or any less than my own.

I think you misunderstood what I meant, I wasn't questioning anyones support, I meant those that do question others I find typically have non local insecurities.

[Somethingfishy]

A reason to basically stay off social media for a while after a defeat methinks

I get you bosscat but hiding away is denying the reality. I prefer to see it as those grounded in reality of the situation and confronting it..against those with their fingers in their ears and eyes closed going " na na na..everything will be alright"

These things need to be said. If it was a one off performance i'd get it but it is far from that now. I don't think you can blame those who are venting their anger for doing so. They have every reason to do so and most are only commenting on what is in plain sight. I would actually go as far to say in that the fans have been more than patient after what we have seen for over a year now.

[Bosscat]

I get you bosscat but hiding away is denying the reality. I prefer to see it as those grounded in reality of the situation and confronting it..against those with their fingers in their ears and eyes closed going " na na na..everything will be alright"

These things need to be said. If it was a one off performance i'd get it but it is far from that now. I don't think you can blame those who are venting their anger for doing so. They have every reason to do so and most are only commenting on what is in plain sight. I would actually go as far to say in that the fans have been more than patient after what we have seen for over a year now.

"Hiding away" isn't what I would say but definitely thinking before posting complete and utter Bollo (with a silent cks) is the order of the day

[Somethingfishy]

"Hiding away" isn't what I would say but definitely thinking before posting complete and utter Bollo (with a silent cks) is the order of the day

Well there is certainly plenty of anger and within that there are many views. Some extreme admittedly. I wouldn't call calling for the managers head as extreme though in the situation and certainly when you look around at other clubs. Like i said the fans have been more than patient and it's little surprise calls are building for a change.

[ClaretMov]

Unfortunately we are stuck with Dyche, no way he will walk, no way we can sack him it would cost far to much and not a chance another club would one in for him and pay the compensation

[tiger76]

Unfortunately we are stuck with Dyche, no way he will walk, no way we can sack him it would cost far to much.

Probably right we can only hope that when we return to the Champ, he can work his magic again, his record at that level is phenomenal it must be said.

[ClaretMov]

Probably right we can only hope that when we return to the Champ, he can work his magic again, his record at that level is phenomenal it must be said.

But roll on another season and we're back in the prem and all the boring 442 no plan b football that doesn't work in the premier league won't change, it's just papering over the cracks for 12 month's

[tiger76]

But roll on another season and we're back in the prem and all the boring 442 no plan b football that doesn't work in the premier league won't change, it's just papering over the cracks for 12 month's

Yes that's the rub, hence why I think it's time to seriously consider a change, great as SD has been for us, he seems to have a glass ceiling of lower end PL manager, now whether anybody else could improve that, and perhaps more importantly make us a more attractive side in the process is difficult to know.

But this summer seems like a natural end to Sean's tenure, a lot of the more established squad members will be leaving, and it feels like the right time to try and develop a more youthful and vibrant side if we can.

[evensteadiereddie]

It's not SD that has the "glass ceiling", is it - it's the whole club, the whole town. There is no way on earth that we can ever become an "established" PL side, we haven't the resources or the fan base. What we do have is a club and a manager who do their level best to get results from a diminishing team. The odds have always been stacked against us - massively - but we've survived. We may not this time but , ffs, let's not blame a manager who has given us probably four more years in the PL than anyone expected.
We carry on grafting, sensible reinforcements in January, if possible, and then - worst case scenario - look at what it's going to take to get out of the Championship.

[bodge]

Great perspective eddie.

[Jakubclaret]

It's not SD that has the "glass ceiling", is it - it's the whole club, the whole town. There is no way on earth that we can ever become an "established" PL side, we haven't the resources or the fan base. What we do have is a club and a manager who do their level best to get results from a diminishing team. The odds have always been stacked against us - massively - but we've survived. We may not this time but , ffs, let's not blame a manager who has given us probably four more years in the PL than anyone expected.
We carry on grafting, sensible reinforcements in January, if possible, and then - worst case scenario - look at what it's going to take to get out of the Championship.

It’s that mindset that we can’t progress any further that’s the thing that’s holding us back, we should aim for the stars & believe & never stop believing despite being up against the odds.

[evensteadiereddie]

Christ almighty. You mean like Bolton and Wigan ?

[Spijed]

It’s that mindset that we can’t progress any further that’s the thing that’s holding us back, we should aim for the stars & believe & never stop believing despite being up against the odds.

And why has no other club on a small budget ever managed to survive long term in the prem?

Unless you are one of the big six plus Everton you are guaranteed to depart after a few years.

It's well documented that unless you have un limited resources you will drop some time or other.

We've done far better than the vast majority of clubs ever have. Remember, there is only room for 17 clubs to survive each season and if bigger clubs in the Championship such as Forest, Derby or Sheff Wed get their act together within the next few years it potentially makes it hard for other sides.

[Jakubclaret]

And why has no other club on a small budget ever managed to survive long term in the prem?

Unless you are one of the big six plus Everton you are guaranteed to depart after a few years.

It's well documented that unless you have limited resources you will drop some time or other.

We've done far better than the vast majority of clubs ever have. Remember, there is only room for 17 clubs to survive each season and if bigger clubs in the Championship such as Forest, Derby or Sheff Wed get their act together within the next few years it potentially makes it hard for other sides.

So what we’ve done ok historically nobody’s disputing that but now the tides turned, it’s not just the defeats it’s the manner of the performances nobody seems to give a sh1t, it’s not all dyches fault I seriously think we need to replace 6 first teamers & replace with 6 other younger 1s that’s the task in hand probably next season whatever division. People are just too old & slow now for the professional game, too many.

[Vegas Claret]

I'll say it through gritted teeth, Steve, but you're absolutely spot on. This KRBFC guy's been waiting for years for this. Pretending to go to games, Silent for a couple of seasons, carping and sniping for the rest now it's "Look at me, I''m an expert, I told you we'd struggle."
No effin ****, Sherlock.

Got be said, KRBFC and I have had plenty of disagreements and arguments (loads) over the years but he's entitled to his opinion like everyone else. I don't agree with a lot of what he/she says but that's irrelevant, it's a football message board.

[Vegas Claret]

It's not SD that has the "glass ceiling", is it - it's the whole club, the whole town. There is no way on earth that we can ever become an "established" PL side, we haven't the resources or the fan base. What we do have is a club and a manager who do their level best to get results from a diminishing team. The odds have always been stacked against us - massively - but we've survived. We may not this time but , ffs, let's not blame a manager who has given us probably four more years in the PL than anyone expected.
We carry on grafting, sensible reinforcements in January, if possible, and then - worst case scenario - look at what it's going to take to get out of the Championship.

spot on

[evensteadiereddie]

When have I been silent for seasons? I've been here the entire time, saying it how I see it, as always. Last season I gave Dyche a pass because of the constraints he worked under.

As for pretending to go to games, that myth was put to bed years ago.

It's actually quite funny, the ones who question if I'm a Burnley fan or not are typically glory seeking fans who don't live in Burnley, they're just cling on fans imo.

What a load of old cock - you had absolutely nothing to say when we were doing well.

Aye, "glory-hunting fans" who drive long distances home or away to watch the Clarets - live - no matter what. This one from Nelson. you know, near Burnley....

Yup, plenty of glory there....Nah, much better to snipe from the sidelines, use some bullshit about your grandaddy being a loyal fan. Use that to big yourself up and now you're absolutely loving it now we're struggling.

You were sussed a long time ago - by all means carry on spouting the same negative crap you always have but, please, drop the "Burnley fan" schtick, it's just embarrassing.

[evensteadiereddie]

Got be said, KRBFC and I have had plenty of disagreements and arguments (loads) over the years but he's entitled to his opinion like everyone else. I don't agree with a lot of what he/she says but that's irrelevant, it's a football message board.

I don't think anybody has said otherwise, VC.