Cricket field stand

[Leisure]

Well, if Alan is excited then that's enough for me. Who cares if you're being moved away from friends and acquaintances if you've sat with and talked to for years?

Who has said that that is going to happen?

[Goody1975]

Who has said that that is going to happen?

It could happen though, the plans for the two sides aren't identical, there will undoubtedly be some supporters affected in this way.

[Leisure]

I really don't understand how this is going to get built in three weeks. Especially if there's not even planning permission in place.

It's not.

[Leisure]

It could happen though, the plans for the two sides aren't identical, there will undoubtedly be some supporters affected in this way.

Agreed, it could but hopefully minimal number of fans will be affected.

[FCBurnley]

In my experience over many years most Professional Sports Clubs
Clubs just humour Supporters groups etc. Members like to think they are involved in the decision making but in reality they never are. Maybe Burnley will be different but I doubt it.

[Cardclaret]

In the faq,s sent with today's email from the TO. It does say you have the Sunderland game to see if are ok with your seat. If you are not ok you have the option of moving to North Stand lower block 1 or a refund. Those options finish on 1st sept.

[RicardoMontalban]

Sounds like the Fan advisory Board have been involved throughout. I guess they support fans having to change seats ?

Thing is, a consequence of all the vagueness is we don’t know what information they have been party to and what the rationale is behind these changes, beyond ‘improving fan experience’ etc etc.

Putting aside the suboptimal way this has been communicated and the South Park style concept pics, the owners must have some sort of long term strategy for redeveloping or upgrading the ground. From the essentials that keep it operational, to more aspirational stuff. But nobody outside the sacred circle gets to hear about it and when parts get delivered this haphazardly they’re leaving themselves open for blowback.

Theres probably a good, strategic reason for swapping home and away fans as part of a long term plan for the stadium. Not that we’d know. But digs at the FAB like this are a bit lazy without any context. They may have a better understanding of the why, but they’re not in any position to pass that bit on.

[JohnMcGreal]

Agreed, it could but hopefully minimal number of fans will be affected.

Even if it is a minimal number, it's not good enough. Those people have coughed up for another ST just like thousands of others. They don't deserve to be messed about.

[Elizabeth]

I expect the club to accommodate and if necessary compensate any fan with good reason to be disadvantaged by this move. I'm confident it will.
Change always takes time to get used to and I like the sound of these plans. I'm sure things will become much clearer over the season.

[ksrclaret]

Agreed, it could but hopefully minimal number of fans will be affected.

Unacceptable. Nobody, I dare say yourself included, would like to be part of that minimal number. It's no consolation after forking out 500 quid for something.

[AlargeClaret]

It’s the switch of CFS fans I find the most bizarre. As if atmosphere isn’t poor enough already before moving the CFS lot next to the Bob Lord ! You couldn’t make it up . It’s only when the CFS are singing and this rolls down the Longside that we do get the crowd going . The only thing that rolls down the Bob Lord is dropped flasks and groaning .

[ayrshireclaret83]

It’s the switch of CFS fans I find the most bizarre. As if atmosphere isn’t poor enough already before moving the CFS lot next to the Bob Lord ! You couldn’t make it up . It’s only when the CFS are singing and this rolls down the Longside that we do get the crowd going . The only thing that rolls down the Bob Lord is dropped flasks and groaning .

Exactly this.

No idea why anyone would think this is going to improve the atmosphere will definitely make it worse for home fans.

Do think it’ll sound better for away fans having us on both sides of them a bit louder but that’s not what it’s about

[Wokingclaret]

Change happens, where was the support for Bob Lorders when they had to move for an increase in the corporate area, likewise in the Jimmy Mc, or the latest changes in the Longside lower.

It was always short term going in the CFS and subject to change. It might have been closed down!

Even when the new stands were built, I lost a load of friends that moved from the Bob Lord. Change happens

The last chairman wouldn't build a new stand as he didn't want the best ground in the 4th division again.

Again they cant really rebuild in a prem season as the capacity will drop, then in the championship they can't afford it.

One day, I'll be turf out of the Bob Lord then I'll drop me flask and groan.

In the short term we get a nicer frontage and area undercover, that's got to be good.

[jdrobbo]

It would be interesting to know if the minutes genuinely reflected the discussion that was had. Hand picked or not, I can't believe 20 odd people would sit there and say nothing - because that's what the minutes indicate. I've never known Burnley folk to have nothing to say.

You see, this is where I’m struggling too. Yesterday, Alan Pace is quoted directly as saying, “The positivity from the Fan Advisory Board was great to see…” yet having being contacted by a few members of the fab, only one saw it as a largely positive proposal, whilst the others expressed doubts and argued that they tried to ‘push back’ on some of the issues but none of the concerning conversation about moving fans, consultation with fans etc was noted in the minutes. There appears to be a distinct lack of transparency here and dare I say it, a lack of congruence. That is a concern!

[Rick_Muller]

Exactly this.

No idea why anyone would think this is going to improve the atmosphere will definitely make it worse for home fans.

Do think it’ll sound better for away fans having us on both sides of them a bit louder but that’s not what it’s about

I'll put money on the switch being based upon the view of the fans when on TV - though why anyone would want to watch 2000 fans crying when Salah scores his 5th goal of the game I dont know...

[Rick_Muller]

You've absolutely no legal right to a specific seat. There's no legal consequences to this at all.

I get that it's upset a few, but sometimes disruption to a few improves things for a wider population. They'll get over their seat moving 30 yards

I think mis-selling would come into the argument here - the email clearly states "Yor seat" in the subject heading... Thing is, it wouldn't ever see a court room as the club will gladly give a refund and then resell at the new higher price for the same ticket.

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As for the "Forever Forward Together" that is clearly full of sh!t isn't it

[The Shire Claret]

Even if it is a minimal number, it's not good enough. Those people have coughed up for another ST just like thousands of others. They don't deserve to be messed about.

I 100 percent agree with you and in an ideal world no one would be messed about and the club should have dealt with this better

But ….

Someone is always affected by these changes … it’s up to thr club to make sure anyone seriously affected are accommodated above and beyond

[Rick_Muller]

You see, this is where I’m struggling too. Yesterday, Alan Pace is quoted directly as saying, “The positivity from the Fan Advisory Board was great to see…” yet having being contacted by a few members of the fab, only one saw it as a largely positive proposal, whilst the others expressed doubts and argued that they tried to ‘push back’ on some of the issues but none of the concerning conversation about moving fans, consultation with fans etc was noted in the minutes. There appears to be a distinct lack of transparency here and dare I say it, a lack of congruence. That is a concern!

feels like the club are hanging the FAB out to dry here. It gives them someone to point the finger at and say "they said it was fine" when I am certain that some on the FAB would have voiced concerns about this too.

I sit in meetings at work like that and I'm the guy who insists on the notes being in the minutes because I know if I dont request it - they wont go in. Perhaps thats why I was rejected for the FAB

[quoonbeatz]

Even if it is a minimal number, it's not good enough. Those people have coughed up for another ST just like thousands of others. They don't deserve to be messed about.

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[Woosh Deakin]

I am struggling to see what the issue is here truthfully, and I am a CFS season ticket holder.

Presumably they will simply mirror the current seating arrangements, therefore everybody will still be sat next to the same people etc

The view will obviously be no different, aside from glancing slightly left as opposed to right.

Are people just whining because they weren't consulted about the changes? Comedy gold if so.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I am struggling to see what the issue is here truthfully, and I am a CFS season ticket holder.

Presumably they will simply mirror the current seating arrangements, therefore everybody will still be sat next to the same people etc

The view will obviously be no different, aside from glancing slightly left as opposed to right.

Are people just whining because they weren't consulted about the changes? Comedy gold if so.

My main concern is the poor exits / evac routes for our two largest stands.

Incidentally, I do wonder if certain posters may be on the FAB, and therefore have been "ITK" and if it hasn't gone to their heads a little.....

[ChrisG]

I am struggling to see what the issue is here truthfully, and I am a CFS season ticket holder.

Presumably they will simply mirror the current seating arrangements, therefore everybody will still be sat next to the same people etc

The view will obviously be no different, aside from glancing slightly left as opposed to right.

Are people just whining because they weren't consulted about the changes? Comedy gold if so.

It's not just a bit left or right though, the stand is nowhere near centre, so if you were on the far right hand side as you look at it, you're pretty much looking down the line.

If it is mirrored, then your looking through the Bob Lord Stand almost

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[ŽižkovClaret]

Tbf there is a lot of overhang from the BLS roof which makes it seem a lot more out of kilter than the seated areas are

[ChrisG]

Tbf there is a lot of overhang from the BLS roof which makes it seem a lot more out of kilter than the seated areas are

You can see the rake of the bob lord seats on that picture, with the first row or two hidden behind it. It's definitely going to be an inferior view compared to the other side.

Your comments about the egress access are definitely very valid though, there's a real bottle neck there potentially. That said I don't really see why both sets of fans can't use the cricket field lane exit.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

It's not just a bit left or right though, the stand is nowhere near centre, so if you were on the far right hand side as you look at it, you're pretty much looking down the line.

If it is mirrored, then your looking through the Bob Lord Stand almost

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You can also add in the pillars that hold up the roof. Some fans are about to get one right in the middle of their view of the goal that didn’t have that before.

[The Shire Claret]

It's not just a bit left or right though, the stand is nowhere near centre, so if you were on the far right hand side as you look at it, you're pretty much looking down the line.

If it is mirrored, then your looking through the Bob Lord Stand almost

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If you look at a plan view of turf moor the same premise applies from the Jimmy Mac and the James Hargreaves but it’s does not take away from the view

Which i hope means the view is going to be very similar for someone up in the corner is they were in the other corner

[Quickenthetempo]

When Pace says it will improve atmosphere, maybe he means for his guests in the Directors box?
The CF noise won't have to travel past the away fans now for them to hear.

[ChrisG]

If you look at a plan view of turf moor the same premise applies from the Jimmy Mac and the James Hargreaves but it’s does not take away from the view

Which i hope means the view is going to be very similar for someone up in the corner is they were in the other corner

Thankfully there's no pillars in the Jimmy Mac, and the Longside roof is much higher. It's only affecting a few seats, but that's enough

[Clowbridge89]

This might give people an idea of the view they can expect

https://aviewfrommyseat.com/photo/35005 ... FF/seat-2/

[Barry_Chuckle]

Agreed, it could but hopefully minimal number of fans will be affected.

Even 1 is too many, and the message from the club is, if you don't like the seat we give you, you can go sit out in the bad weather in block 1 JH lower, or have your money back.

Absolutely amazed at this, and if my view is spoilt by a BIG roof support, having had great seats directly behind the goal, then I'll take the money and that will be me done.

[BleedingClaret]

Even 1 is too many, and the message from the club is, if you don't like the seat we give you, you can go sit out in the bad weather in block 1 JH lower, or have your money back.

Absolutely amazed at this, and if my view is spoilt by a BIG roof support, having had great seats directly behind the goal, then I'll take the money and that will be me done.

I must admit that sounds like an insult
Surely it should read you can swap your seat for anywhere else in the ground
I think that there’ll be trouble between the new away end bottom right corner and the first few blocks of the Longside lower and I think they’ll shut these at some point

[Goody1975]

Even 1 is too many, and the message from the club is, if you don't like the seat we give you, you can go sit out in the bad weather in block 1 JH lower, or have your money back.

Absolutely amazed at this, and if my view is spoilt by a BIG roof support, having had great seats directly behind the goal, then I'll take the money and that will be me done.

Don't chuck in the towel, you can always have a seat in NL1, probably with a view below pitch level, where you get wet through in half the games this season.

[BleedingClaret]

Don't chuck in the towel, you can always have a seat in NL1, probably with a view below pitch level, where you get wet through in half the games this season.

That from the club is appalling
An offer of anywhere else in the ground is the least they should do

[boyyanno]

I think mis-selling would come into the argument here - the email clearly states "Yor seat" in the subject heading... Thing is, it wouldn't ever see a court room as the club will gladly give a refund and then resell at the new higher price for the same ticket.

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As for the "Forever Forward Together" that is clearly full of sh!t isn't it

That is the issue. I sent this to a friend of mine who is informed on the subject and the club entered in to a contract with every single person who purchased a seat (and importantly position) in the stadium. The club have to notify fans of the contractual change (which they will be doing) and if you don't like it they'd have to refund you. But like you say they don't care as they'll just sell them on.

The guy you've replied to doesn't have a clue he was just trying to be argumentative despite having 0 knowledge about the subject.

[ŽižkovClaret]

That is the issue. I sent this to a friend of mine who is informed on the subject and the club entered in to a contract with every single person who purchased a seat (and importantly position) in the stadium. The club have to notify fans of the contractual change (which they will be doing) and if you don't like it they'd have to refund you. But like you say they don't care as they'll just sell them on.

The guy you've replied to doesn't have a clue he was just trying to be argumentative despite having 0 knowledge about the subject.

I suspect the club would have a reasonable chance of arguing that they had offered an equivalent alternative seat, and will no doubt have something in the terms and conditions to cover such an eventuality.

[boyyanno]

I suspect the club would have a reasonable chance of arguing that they had offered an equivalent alternative seat, and will no doubt have something in the terms and conditions to cover such an eventuality.

I think if the club were covered and could do what they want then they wouldn't need to treat this as a contractual change, give notice and accept refunds beyond the start of the season.

My friend agrees, but realistically a refund is what you'd be entitled too and it's not what anyone really wants.

Grim behavior from the club, especially given we're talking about planned refurbishment, not a force majeure.

[CJ_Claret]

It could happen though, the plans for the two sides aren't identical, there will undoubtedly be some supporters affected in this way.

Lots of things Could happen, in the extreme, you COULD die tomorrow, are you sat worrying about how that's going to happen.

There's no point worrying and stressing yourself about a reality that might not happen and if you are someone who the changes impact negatively, it's been documented that the club will enter into discussions around seat swaps where possible.

I understand that people are passionate about this issue, but lets not get confused between people with genuine concerns and other people flying off the handle because they are a glass half empty kinda person.

[GetIntoEm]

I kind of feel for the FAB … I would never opt to do it in a million years

Seems your damned either way for most decisions based entirely out of there’s of anyone’s control

Hopfully this will be beneficial for eveyone in the long term but do understand it’s not ideal for people in the CF end to find out late …

Hopefully eveyone will still be able to sit together for the most part and have more space with the new facilities

As I said before, they do it to feel important.

If they were that aggrieved at how it was ran, they'd step down and spill the beans, and join the alternative group.

They don't, because it fuels their ego. They've got the leader of the council in there and a few other ticky box type folk. It's all a show

[FeedTheArf]

You see, this is where I’m struggling too. Yesterday, Alan Pace is quoted directly as saying, “The positivity from the Fan Advisory Board was great to see…” yet having being contacted by a few members of the fab, only one saw it as a largely positive proposal, whilst the others expressed doubts and argued that they tried to ‘push back’ on some of the issues but none of the concerning conversation about moving fans, consultation with fans etc was noted in the minutes. There appears to be a distinct lack of transparency here and dare I say it, a lack of congruence. That is a concern!

I think the bland vague minutes actually do a disservice to the club. If they added more of the fans concerns (as you say there were) it would actually give more credibility to the FAB and the club in engaging with the FAB. At the minute it looks like the club just tell the FAB what’s happening. This does no favours for the FAB or the club.

[GetIntoEm]

That is the issue. I sent this to a friend of mine who is informed on the subject and the club entered in to a contract with every single person who purchased a seat (and importantly position) in the stadium. The club have to notify fans of the contractual change (which they will be doing) and if you don't like it they'd have to refund you. But like you say they don't care as they'll just sell them on.

The guy you've replied to doesn't have a clue he was just trying to be argumentative despite having 0 knowledge about the subject.

If you are talking about me, I do know what I'm talking about thanks.

If you disagree try and take it to court.

What you have written is basically a AI response, which I suspect is what your friend has done. Google it yourself to see.

They can change your seat for many reasons, none of which is a "breach of contract". You can accept their new option, or you can have your money back. All fair.

Same as on a plane if you booked a specific seat, they can still move you if they want.

[jrgbfc]

That from the club is appalling
An offer of anywhere else in the ground is the least they should do

Remember when i was a kid they messed up our seats in the Bob Lord. Luckily at that time we were rubbish and getting about 9 thousand on so they could offer us better seats. Problem is thats not really an option now. And i don't think the new regime give a toss about your average supporter.

[randomclaret2]

Burnley Express website has some drone shots of the work

[taio]

That is the issue. I sent this to a friend of mine who is informed on the subject and the club entered in to a contract with every single person who purchased a seat (and importantly position) in the stadium. The club have to notify fans of the contractual change (which they will be doing) and if you don't like it they'd have to refund you. But like you say they don't care as they'll just sell them on.

The guy you've replied to doesn't have a clue he was just trying to be argumentative despite having 0 knowledge about the subject.

Relevant T&Cs:

2.2 A Season Ticket permits you to occupy at the Match the seat indicated on the Season Ticket or such other alternative seat of equivalent value as the Club may, from time to time, allocate to you at its reasonable discretion. All access to the Ground pursuant to a Season Ticket shall be for the purposes of private enjoyment of the Match only, not for any commercial purpose (and no authorisation is given or implied in respect of the carrying out of any commercial activities).

2.3 Nothing in these Conditions of Issue shall constitute or imply any entitlement to occupy the seat indicated on the Season Ticket in any subsequent season.

[boyyanno]

Relevant T&Cs:

2.2 A Season Ticket permits you to occupy at the Match the seat indicated on the Season Ticket or such other alternative seat of equivalent value as the Club may, from time to time, allocate to you at its reasonable discretion. All access to the Ground pursuant to a Season Ticket shall be for the purposes of private enjoyment of the Match only, not for any commercial purpose (and no authorisation is given or implied in respect of the carrying out of any commercial activities).

2.3 Nothing in these Conditions of Issue shall constitute or imply any entitlement to occupy the seat indicated on the Season Ticket in any subsequent season.

To be fair that's pretty much what I thought. Certainly a grey area in the two elements here:

Clubs resaonble discretion- is it reasonable to have sold the seats when they planned for them to not be there.

From time to time- can be interpreted as not a permanent change which this would be.

Nevertheless they'd still just give you your money back.

[boyyanno]

If you are talking about me, I do know what I'm talking about thanks.

If you disagree try and take it to court.

What you have written is basically a AI response, which I suspect is what your friend has done. Google it yourself to see.

They can change your seat for many reasons, none of which is a "breach of contract". You can accept their new option, or you can have your money back. All fair.

Same as on a plane if you booked a specific seat, they can still move you if they want.

You clearly don't. You tried to imply the club don't have a contract with the fans.

My friend doesn't need to chat gpt somthing that is common sense and what he's educated in. Try and argue with someone else, you've just agreed with what I said and just re phrased it.

[dougcollins]

It's really not the first time the club has sold the season tickets then moved fans to alternate seats.

[Tricky Trevor]

Can’t be arsed reading 14 pages but what jumped out at me was comments re:planning permission and being ready for Sunderland match. There is no necessity for one prior to t’other. The work can’t start without planning permission but wheels will be turning in this regard.
I don’t want to sound like I’m defending the board as I think their behaviour is outrageous.

[burnmark]

Burnley Express website has some drone shots of the work

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... 014?page=3

[Blue Skies]

I will be one of those who is in the minority affected in a big way. My immediate view will be the Bob Lord wall. Whilst I am pragmatic and will move round and stand in other areas, this is absolutely poor from the club. I haven't been told yet other than things on here. It's a poor choice of Lower Longside or shut up and stay put. I would pay extra to upgrade to somewhere I would prefer. There must be other seats that they use for "walk ons" I love it when people who are not affected are telling us to accept change etc, "we are all right Jack" springs to mind.

[Walton]

Looks from those drone pictures that the CFS will be all plastic seats from now on