Do you mean the treatment table?123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:55 pmI still think the loan with obligation/option on Whittaker might be on the table this Jan

Do you mean the treatment table?123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:55 pmI still think the loan with obligation/option on Whittaker might be on the table this Jan
To the striker?CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:24 pmWe definitely do play it in behind - just a lot of the teams we've played haven't given us that space... every team that has done, we have put the ball in behind.
We can’t right him off based on this season, loads of different factors at Plymouth this season, we could be the move he needs.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:57 pmI really hope not, he’s been really poor this season.
He was back in the starting 11 Boxing Day
What do you mean exactly by ' a lot of resources'?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:57 pmI think it was a different scenario. Back then we had Jay and Ash (both with contracts running out in 6 months) and we were also pretty much nailed on for promotion so the club could hedge there bets.
Right now we have already committed a fair sum of money for the summer window. As a result my own conclusion is money is tighter this season and they already have a lot of resources in that position.
Think we may have turned his head a bit, and then he's been 'managed' by Rooney... hardly conducive to a succesful season.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:57 pmI really hope not, he’s been really poor this season.
4 strikers in first team squad for one position.
Weaker opposition like recently relegated Luton?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:30 pmthe 7 player "exodus" doesn't include a prolific centre-forward, though. The goals were scored, and shared, by a stronger team against weaker opposition.
If I’m honest I’ve watched him a fair few times this season and I don’t think there’s a player there that improves us.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:05 pmThink we may have turned his head a bit, and then he's been 'managed' by Rooney... hardly conducive to a succesful season.
I actually think Whittaker has more attributes to be successful in the premier league than jack Clarke for example, the other winger from the champ that excelled last season and got a move to prem.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:08 pmIf I’m honest I’ve watched him a fair few times this season and I don’t think there’s a player there that improves us.
I think whoever we sign in that wide role has got to be an improvement on what we have.
Again only my opinion but he score 5 in 24 games in a shocking team last season. He’s never really got going but there’s been glimpses of a player. Just look at his driving runs v luton for the 4th goal.
Foster has all the attributes on paper to be a totally dominant striker in the championship and good in the prem but he’s just not been consistent yet.Sapperclaret73 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:16 pmAgain only my opinion but he score 5 in 24 games in a shocking team last season. He’s never really got going but there’s been glimpses of a player. Just look at his driving runs v luton for the 4th goal.
He can be a real handful. I don’t have the stats or the tactical explanation its just my opinion. Happy to be proven wrong but he can get us 10 plus goals by the end of the season.
Get him starting tomorrow.
Potentially but I think the main reason Semenyo and tavernier have been a success is there’s physicality and pace (in Semenyos case).123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:11 pmI actually think Whittaker has more attributes to be successful in the premier league than jack Clarke for example, the other winger from the champ that excelled last season and got a move to prem.
I really think Whittaker could be similar to Semenyo and Tavernier at Bournemouth that with good coaching can be successful in the prem
Fair enough. I like his size for a winger and his eye for a goal but if there's better out there then bring it on!Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:08 pmIf I’m honest I’ve watched him a fair few times this season and I don’t think there’s a player there that improves us.
I think whoever we sign in that wide role has got to be an improvement on what we have.
If we were going for someone like Whittaker (from the championship) I would much prefer we went for one of:CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:23 pmFair enough. I like his size for a winger and his eye for a goal but if there's better out there then bring it on!
Sargent would be my first signing if we got promoted, however his injury record isn’t greatNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:40 pmIf we were going for someone like Whittaker (from the championship) I would much prefer we went for one of:
Sargent at Norwich, he’s 24 can play anywhere along the front three and I personally think he’s got the physicality it make in the prem.
Goodrham at Oxford, 21 and his first season at this level but I think he would fit Parker’s system really well. He gets up and down the pitch to help support the defence and he’s also got a fantastic cross on him. I watched there game the other day and he was pinging in Trippier esque crosses.
Ronald at Swansea, 23 and his first season in this league but he’s another that’s taken to it really well. He’s another that I think just has something a little bit extra to Whittaker that would help with the step up.
I know we probably won’t be looking at the championship for signings (mainly due to the cost involved) but I think they are the most likely to be a success straight away.
I had a look into his injury record apparantly he’s actually only missed 22 games in three seasons.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:52 pmSargent would be my first signing if we got promoted, however his injury record isn’t great
Surely that can’t be right, he’s missed 12 games since NovemberNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:54 pmI had a look into his injury record apparantly he’s actually only missed 22 games in three seasons.
6 missed apps due to getting back late from
International leave (aka Sarmiento)
You won’t be the only one who thought that about Delap, couldn’t believe Ipswich splashed 20m on him but now it looks like a bargain.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:14 pmI don't rate Whittaker one bit, his finishing is ok, his passing is awful and I've never been impressed by his work rate - given I thought Liam Delap was rubbish that is a sure fire sign we should sign him !
I've heard £12million, don't know how accurate it is.Sapperclaret73 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:33 pmAntlyone know the fee plymouth would want? They look doomed. Surely sell now for a better fee.
billyhamilton82 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:03 pmHountondji is taking a space on the bench and its obvious SP doesn't trust him.
We should send to Dundee until the end of the season as we already have an agreement with them.
Scottish Premier is the perfect level for him to learn same as Egan Riley, Mellon etc.
Then bring in a proven centre forward at this level for the rest of the season on loan who will make an impact and improve us.
Win promotion then reassess.
And their record in front of goal? It's not numbers we need it's quality.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:06 pm4 strikers in first team squad for one position.
With CB it’s the best resourced spot in the squad
No chance they get anywhere near that for him.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:56 pmI've heard £12million, don't know how accurate it is.
TBH, if they re-employ Schumacher I doubt they'll sell Whittaker.
With our creativity stats I think Haaland would struggle at the moment.Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:22 pmAnd their record in front of goal? It's not numbers we need it's quality.
We have played far too cautious in games where teams sit deep. Derby at home for example didn’t need a midfield of Cullen Laurent and brownhill with Sarmiento on the left playing to centralNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:35 pmWith our creativity stats I think Haaland would struggle at the moment.
Given currently our most creative player is Josh Laurent with 4 big chances created (he currently ranks 66th in the league) after that we don’t have another player in the top 100 for creativity. (Worth noting that Vitinho has created more big chances this season than Sarmiento, Koleosho and Flemming, I think that stat shows just how few chances we are creating for our strikers).
I think we have goals up top in Flemming and Foster. We are just lacking someone genuine spark.
Totally agree, but ultimately if we want our forwards to be more prolific then chances are creation has to dramatically improve.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:40 pmWe have played far too cautious in games where teams sit deep. Derby at home for example didn’t need a midfield of Cullen Laurent and brownhill with Sarmiento on the left playing to central
Tomorrow having Flemming and brownhill behind Foster with two proper wingers against a team who are going to sit in a 5-4-1 will be a test to see what we can create. Having more attack minded players might help koleosho to, relive some pressureNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:47 pmTotally agree, but ultimately if we want our forwards to be more prolific then chances are creation has to dramatically improve.
A striker isn’t going to solve that
Il be amazed if he starts Flemming and Brownhill behind Foster123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 11:00 pmTomorrow having Flemming and brownhill behind Foster with two proper wingers against a team who are going to sit in a 5-4-1 will be a test to see what we can create. Having more attack minded players might help koleosho to, relive some pressure
Wouldn't we all
Sorry but our treatment tables are all taken-he would have to be put in the corridors until a slot becomes available
I’d said in my post that we only seem to play balls in behind to the wide players if we’ve overloaded on one side, drawn them across and created space for the opposite wide player. CJ sometimes plays diags to the winger but those balls are to feet.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:03 pmYou didn't specify to the striker! No, in this system, the striker hasn't been stretching the play.
Do you mean interest from us, or in general?Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:04 pmA player who may be gathering interest is Mike Biereth who joined Sturm Graz from Arsenal in the summer for around £4m. Looks like he has the potential to be a real handful for defenders . Centre forward who had a loan spell at Motherwell. Not suggesting we could attract him but I’d definitely take this lad
Yet in the first half today we played a great ball over the top for a central striker to run on to.NewClaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:24 amI’d said in my post that we only seem to play balls in behind to the wide players if we’ve overloaded on one side, drawn them across and created space for the opposite wide player. CJ sometimes plays diags to the winger but those balls are to feet.
I was responding to a post saying if we had a fast striker we could play them in behind, which I agreed with, but we never play that pass at the moment despite many runs per game from the advanced midfielders and striker. It seems a system thing so I can’t really see a faster striker changing that.
Typically we don’t play any passes in to space at all. It kills me when a pass in to space is on and we play it to feet, often causing the winger to stop or slow his run. I actually don’t get it because City and other teams do the exact same thing so it must be by design but I don’t see what it achieves to always play behind the defence.
Assist for Whittaker today at home to Bristol C.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:55 pmI still think the loan with obligation/option on Whittaker might be on the table this Jan