Fruit machines

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:50 pm

Anyone else have a problem with these things?
I don't bet on horses. Rarely put a football bet on. Never play the Lottery.
I can't go for a beer lately though without spoiling my night with bandits.
Every time I play them I know I'm nailed on to lose but I just can't enjoy a night out without shoveling notes in and getting bollocked by my Mrs.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:54 pm

I had a little problem when I was about 18 after winning big on my first couple of do's. Worst thing that can happen as you think you can win all the time. You will eventually get peed off with them and not touch them at all.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:55 pm

One way to get your five a day!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:56 pm

About 25 years ago I had a problem with them, not so much that I really lost much because I didn't have much to lose but I hate them now. Such a waste of money. They fact that you have posted this thread is positive. Good luck in stopping mate.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:03 pm

On a serious note never had an issue with them. I bet on the football. I have bet in casinos too. Just don't enjoy 'virtual' gambling as it seems even less likely to win to me.

Two times I have cocked up are like Quickenthetempo says.

Once won 500 dollars on my first ever spin of a roulette table in Vegas. Thought it was easy. Didnt lose a lot of money after it but never won again on that trip.

Second time I went to the casino after our match at Southampton this season. Wasn't even meant to go in but our group was and I decided I would just gamble what I could afford to lose. Everything I touched seemed to turn to gold. I kept winning and winning. Then decided to walk away. As I was walking out the roulette table was too tempting. (16 Blacks in a row). Foolishly put all my winnings on Red. Black came out again. Rather than walk away I made the biggest mistake of the lot and chased my losses. Had I walked out then I was even - neither up nor down and had a good night. But went for it. Lost again. Black again. I had one last do at it - law of averages said Red had to come out... Black again. By this point not only was I down, I was down more than I had gone in with!

My mate with me shoved some extra money my way insisting I would win this time and win my losses back. I managed to resist and it was a good job too as black came out once more. I am convinced it was a fix as the repeated blacks was what tempted me in, especially given how many times I had won.

I was absolutely gutted the next day when I woke up. But used it as a lesson never to do it again. Fortunately dont go in the casino often and havent since. Had I walked out with the winnings perhaps I would have lost even more in the long run.

Fruit machines have never really appealed. I wouldnt know how to use one if I tried. I presume there is some skill involved!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:04 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:About 25 years ago I had a problem with them, not so much that I really lost much because I didn't have much to lose but I hate them now. Such a waste of money. They fact that you have posted this thread is positive. Good luck in stopping mate.

My dad said they were amazing when they came out. A proper novelty.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:05 pm

I think by posting you know you need to sort it out.
I used to shovel money into the bandits twenty years or so ago. Would go out and spend more time pressing buttons than talking to the lads.

They exist solely to make money, and to take your money. You might win the odd one, but you are guaranteed mathematically, scientifically to lose if you play regularly.

Good luck, and get it knocked on the head.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:05 pm

Another one today. Someone who has seemingly won a ton of money over Cheltenham put a dead cert on. I know nothing about horses. I messaged him asking how certain he was as I was about to stick a good few quid on. It came fourth. Luckily he didnt see my message before the race. Shows how easy gambling can become.

The adverts all over sport and tv dont help.

The odd bet on football I enjoy. Anything more is dangerous. Even if you have knowledge of the sport.

Suppose this thread isn't too dissimilar to the coke thread.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:09 pm

Cricket fields post proves the Maths of it

If you keep playing, you will lose.

If I do play the bandits now, and its rare,I use the change in my pocket and the notion that if it's my lucky time, great.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:10 pm

The fruit machines in the bookies are usually full of people banging their hard earned money, dole money,benefits etc into them ..It fascinates me how much they lose ..Each to their own I suppose.. I prefer to lose mine on the gee gees..lol

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:10 pm

I was always convinced by the law of averages. And with so many blacks coming out was convinced I would win. But the law of averages also suggested I was due to lose so both couldnt win.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:13 pm

Over 20 years ago when pubs and clubs used to be a bit busier you had to queue to go on the one armed bandits. The landlord in the local at the time had two and they both made him £500 a week.

Similar to the Roulette machines keeping the high st bookie going. Most people have betting accounts where they bet online. With the limit of only two machines per shop the likes of Coral can open two shops on the same street to double their profit on the machines.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:14 pm

Exactly.
No more likely to be red or black in any spin. Throw in the zero and double zero and the house is laughing.
The might lose on 45% spins but they win on 55% and that's all that matters.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Those machines can make 2000 a week
No wonder the betting shops are everywhere.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Even more I heard. And on match week its an unbelievable amount.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:20 pm

A harmless pastime or a slippery slope to losing everything.

No winners with these machines apart from the bookies.

G.A. is out there for anyone with a problem with these.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:21 pm

Used to bet A LOT on the FOT machines in bookies and overall I ended up quite in profit with a few BIG wins - the tippng point with me was seeing one of the lads who worked at the bookies in the pub and having a pint with him. He told me how I was a "high value customer" and was brought up in meetings etc amd they had to look after me........ Thats when I realised how much time I was wasting in bookies.

I havent stopped but I'll now stick 10/20 quid in and if I win I win - dont chase losses (though I have in the past) - it's a horrible thing and an addiction that is often misunderstood. I've seen blokes in the same bookies that were betting £100/500 when I used to go in looking like broken men and putting £2 in the same machines years later chasing that 1 big win.

The only reason more and more bookies are opening up from the same company on the same highstreet is because the shops are limited to how many of those machines can be in there so more shops on the same highstreet = more machines on the same highstreet.

I only bet what I can lose - if you stick to that and class any winnings as a bonus and not expect to win but just do it for a quick "laugh" then you'll be fine ........ Though it took me some time to realise that.

Was a documentary on gambling addicts a while back with Alex? (The guy off the real hustle) who went into the science of it all and was very interesting when they studied how a gambling addicts brain works - it isnt actually the win that provides a "buzz", it's the near miss (when a number lands next to yours on roulette - the final cherry doesnt quite line up etc...).

I feel bad for people that can't control this addiction as looking back I was getting drawn into it all massively and things could have turned out very different for me.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:25 pm

As a side note - if I'm out having a beer with a few mates I've found the quiz machines a decent alternative. Can get a group of you involed and answering questions together and if everyone throws a quid in you usually get a good 15/20 mins of entertainment from them. It's not big money you win/lose but you still get the buzz of trying to win a few quid and you dont lose much - also, you dont alienate yourself in the corner away from everyone pressing the start button trying to light up Noel Edmunds face on a bandit.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:26 pm

Yep. Huge problem is the addiction. My dad tells the grandkids that the big houses at lytham are owned by the arcade owners! And he probably isnt far off even though hes joking.

I know people with huge gambling problems and I think the addiction isnt the win its like you say the near miss. One mate had his bank account suspended because in 3 days £42k went back and forth through his account to and from an online bookies. Baring in mind this guy probably doesnt make much more than that in a year from his job. But he doesnt see an issue. And you can't reason. Addicts ONLY Tell you about what they won. Never what they lost. I lose every week. But I only do it for fun on the football. Must be horific being addicted and chasing it.

Most gamblers think they are experts on the subject too. If they were they would be a booky.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:29 pm

I got offered the chance to be an afficliate and could have made good money from it. But my earnings would have been based on other peoples losses. Basically the more they lost the more I earnt. Didnt sit well with me at all morally, however much I could have made from it. People said 'well they would only lose it with someone else'. Still didnt feel right to me.

Bookies definitely prey on the addicts. Especially these days. Every other advert at the football and in between tv games is a bookies. In fact I have just gone on youtube to play some music - first ad - a bookies with a bookies banner down the side.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:30 pm

bfccrazy wrote:As a side note - if I'm out having a beer with a few mates I've found the quiz machines a decent alternative. Can get a group of you involed and answering questions together and if everyone throws a quid in you usually get a good 15/20 mins of entertainment from them. It's not big money you win/lose but you still get the buzz of trying to win a few quid and you dont lose much - also, you dont alienate yourself in the corner away from everyone pressing the start button trying to light up Noel Edmunds face on a bandit.

Agree on that

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:30 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:My dad said they were amazing when they came out. A proper novelty.

Cheeky cnut, I'm not that old!!

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:33 pm

I've walked out of a bookies with 2 or 3 grand I've just won on a roulette machine and lost it in another one on the way home chasing an extra few hundred quid.

It's mad now I look back how silly it seems but those machines are horrible - because of how they are set up ... And when you start playing regularly the numbers on the screen lose value - They just become valueless points.

I try to print out any winnings I get now so I can see the cash and realise what I'm actually doing before the "points" disappear.

d[-_-]b · Post by **d[-_-]b** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:36 pm

Damo wrote:Anyone else have a problem with these things?

I used to throw money away in these things, still do now and again but I only spend loose change in my pocket if I'm feeling lucky. I would often put £3-£4 change in, not win, decide it would likely pay out as it's had some money pumped in, get a £10 changed, throw that in, realise that it was definitely close to paying out and so throw in more money.
Some times I would win and I'd be ecstatic I'd won £10-£15 even though I had started with more than that amount in my pocket.
Other times I didn't, I walked away with a heavy, horrible feeling in my stomach.

I just decided they weren't worth it in the end. If you win, you've made a few quid. If you lose, you feel sh!t (and get shouted at by your Mrs in your case

).
Like someone suggested above, if you're tempted, try throwing a quid in the quiz machines instead next time. You tend to get random folk coming and helping you too, which can often be amusing.

In any case, good luck with it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:43 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Cheeky cnut, I'm not that old!!

HE IS!

Actually he will be reading this. He isnt really!

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:44 pm

Its a slippery slope as everyone says and I wish everyone with an addiction well.

However I fondly remember 1 at uni.
Monday morning I'd have a 9am lecture, at 10.15 I'd head to the pub for breakfast. 2 out of every 3 weeks I'd drop at least £10 profit on the machine.

Breakfast and lunch paid, then another £10 in the afternoon covered a few pints.

I found the love of beer more of an issue than the machines...

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:44 pm

Its a slippery slope as everyone says and I wish everyone with an addiction well.

However I fondly remember 1 at uni.
Monday morning I'd have a 9am lecture, at 10.15 I'd head to the pub for breakfast. 2 out of every 3 weeks I'd drop at least £10 profit on the machine.

Breakfast and lunch paid, then another £10 in the afternoon covered a few pints.

I found the love of beer more of an issue than the machines...

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:44 pm

bfccrazy wrote:I've walked out of a bookies with 2 or 3 grand I've just won on a roulette machine and lost it in another one on the way home chasing an extra few hundred quid.

It's mad now I look back how silly it seems but those machines are horrible - because of how they are set up ... And when you start playing regularly the numbers on the screen lose value - They just become valueless points.

I try to print out any winnings I get now so I can see the cash and realise what I'm actually doing before the "points" disappear.

Agree entirely. Its very difficult to realise thats real money. As stupid and as simple as that sounds!

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:46 pm

The Irony is there is a notice in the Bookies saying if you are gambling too much,you can ask them to ban you ..

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:47 pm

d[-_-]b wrote: Other times I didn't, I walked away with a heavy, horrible feeling in my stomach.

I just decided they weren't worth it in the end. If you win, you've made a few quid. If you lose, you feel sh!t .

This is EXACTLY How I felt when I lost in the casino a few months ago. I told everyone how much I lost too because I knew what their reaction would be. Like I kind of needed that reassurance that I was stupid to lose so much so easily.

I always try and put it in perspective. Think how much I could have done with the money, how much I could have bought for family / friends, or in that case what holiday I could have booked

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:47 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Its a slippery slope as everyone says and I wish everyone with an addiction well.

However I fondly remember 1 at uni.
Monday morning I'd have a 9am lecture, at 10.15 I'd head to the pub for breakfast. 2 out of every 3 weeks I'd drop at least £10 profit on the machine.

Breakfast and lunch paid, then another £10 in the afternoon covered a few pints.

I found the love of beer more of an issue than the machines...

Didnt go to uni in Liverpool did you?

Had an ex there and was waiting for her to finish work so went for a pint in the pub up the road - put the £2 change in a bandit and won the jackpot much to the visible disappointment of all the student in there who must have been eyeing it up for some time.

Turned out the bar staff had pumped loads of money into it knowing nothing had been won for a while and I ended up with it all - left a £10 tip for em and drank up and left sharpish as they were fuming some random lad had come in and dropped their bandit.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:48 pm

conyoviejo wrote:The Irony is there is a notice in the Bookies saying if you are gambling too much,you can ask them to ban you ..

My mates picture was up in all the bookies. He still managed to bet in some. And of course online. Its crazy how bad it is and nowhere near enough is made of it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:49 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Didnt go to uni in Liverpool did you?

Had an ex there and was waiting for her to finish work so went for a pint in the pub up the road - put the £2 change in a bandit and won the jackpot much to the visible disappointment of all the student in there who must have been eyeing it up for some time.

Turned out the bar staff had pumped loads of money into it knowing nothing had been won for a while and I ended up with it all - left a £10 tip for em and drank up and left sharpish as they were fuming some random lad had come in and dropped their bandit.

Certain irony in robbing the scousers!

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:49 pm

conyoviejo wrote:The Irony is there is a notice in the Bookies saying if you are gambling too much,you can ask them to ban you ..

I know of numerous lads banned from a bookies or "self excluded" ........ They just o to the one down the road which they arent banned from.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:53 pm

They play the bandit in twos so if they run out of change one of them stops by the machine to stop other punters getting on it whilst the other gets some change ..Don't want em nicking their jackpot .lol

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:57 pm

conyoviejo wrote:They play the bandit in twos so if they run out of change one of them stops by the machine to stop other punters getting on it whilst the other gets some change ..Don't want em nicking their jackpot .lol

Also brought back a memory of a fight happening down at Burnley snooker club - a lad had put something like £150 in a bandit chasing the £500? Jackpot and told his mate to guard it whilst he ran to the bank - his mate went for a cig and someone else started playing it and he kicked off when he returned from the bank.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:58 pm

Fortunately, I've never bothered with slot machines as I don't see the point. If punters ended 'up' winning more than they lost, they wouldn't exist, so take the hint! I find that occasional alcohol abuse ticks my boxes.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:09 pm

I've never been much of a gambler, I just can't bring myself to chuck money at an endeavor where the house has such an edge. I've put a couple of quid on football accumulators in the past and bet on boxing (which I like to think I'm clued up on) but never won, and even those minuscule losses wound me up so much I don't bother any more. The only thing I've ever done a lot of is poker (both live and online) because if you study the theory and game select well you can have an edge due to it primarily being a skill game with an element of gamble involved. I finished very slightly up over the course of a few years, but I don't really have the time to do that any more either.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:11 pm

I havent got the time or patience for poker but if you are quick at maths and clever generally I can see how you could be good at that.

SammyBoy · Post by **SammyBoy** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:20 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I havent got the time or patience for poker but if you are quick at maths and clever generally I can see how you could be good at that.

That's definitely true, I missed the glory days of the online poker boom 2003-2011 (the year it got made illegal in the USA) but from what I've seen and read in the community it was like printing money. However, in general people are infinitely better now than they were back in the day so it's a lot harder to beat the games. It's still possible to make significant money at it if you're willing to put in the hours and hours online (starting at micro-stakes and working up), read the game theory books and have great discipline but it would essentially require you to treat it as a full time job. Sadly I'm just too knackered after work to put in that level of commitment!

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:54 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:On a serious note never had an issue with them. I bet on the football. I have bet in casinos too. Just don't enjoy 'virtual' gambling as it seems even less likely to win to me.

Two times I have cocked up are like Quickenthetempo says.

Once won 500 dollars on my first ever spin of a roulette table in Vegas. Thought it was easy. Didnt lose a lot of money after it but never won again on that trip.

Second time I went to the casino after our match at Southampton this season. Wasn't even meant to go in but our group was and I decided I would just gamble what I could afford to lose. Everything I touched seemed to turn to gold. I kept winning and winning. Then decided to walk away. As I was walking out the roulette table was too tempting. (16 Blacks in a row). Foolishly put all my winnings on Red. Black came out again. Rather than walk away I made the biggest mistake of the lot and chased my losses. Had I walked out then I was even - neither up nor down and had a good night. But went for it. Lost again. Black again. I had one last do at it - law of averages said Red had to come out... Black again. By this point not only was I down, I was down more than I had gone in with!

My mate with me shoved some extra money my way insisting I would win this time and win my losses back. I managed to resist and it was a good job too as black came out once more. I am convinced it was a fix as the repeated blacks was what tempted me in, especially given how many times I had won.

I was absolutely gutted the next day when I woke up. But used it as a lesson never to do it again. Fortunately dont go in the casino often and havent since. Had I walked out with the winnings perhaps I would have lost even more in the long run.

Fruit machines have never really appealed. I wouldnt know how to use one if I tried. I presume there is some skill involved!

That's an unfortunate tale, and I don't want to sound like a dick, but you know that's not how the law of averages works, don't you? The roulette wheel doesn't know what the last 16-18 results have been.

And there's no skill involved with fruit machines. Some of the older ones have patterns which show when they are likely to pay out, but the only thing that can usually help is knowing how the various features work.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:05 am

Greenmile wrote:That's an unfortunate tale, and I don't want to sound like a dick, but you know that's not how the law of averages works, don't you? The roulette wheel doesn't know what the last 16-18 results have been.

And there's no skill involved with fruit machines. Some of the older ones have patterns which show when they are likely to pay out, but the only thing that can usually help is knowing how the various features work.

No I get that. And I said in a later post because I kept winning, the law of averages said I had to lose soon. So I couldn't lose and red come out. But whilst the wheel doesnt know how many blacks had come out, statistically / on average red WAS due. Just happened later than me betting on it. By using that very logic is how I ended up winning so many times. But my luck ran out.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:08 am

What wouldnt be a law of averages is expecting us to win at Anfield last week just because Liverpool have won the last god knows how many. But with red and black law of averages DOES come into it as both have an equal chance of coming out. So if red has come out 10 times, statistically and on average black is more likely to come out next. The result is not guaranteed hence law of averages and not a certainty.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:24 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:What wouldnt be a law of averages is expecting us to win at Anfield last week just because Liverpool have won the last god knows how many. But with red and black law of averages DOES come into it as both have an equal chance of coming out. So if red has come out 10 times, statistically and on average black is more likely to come out next. The result is not guaranteed he nce law of averages and not a certainty.

You're wrong there. It's statistically unlikely to get, say, 10 reds in a row, but once you've already had 9 reds in a row (as in your story), black is no more or less likely than red on the next spin. In fact, I think (though I may be wrong) that this is even known as the "gambler's fallacy".

Edit - This type of logic does work for fruit machines (sort of), but not for games of pure chance like roulette.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:27 am

On average it IS more likely to be black though if red has been out 9 times. Logically maybe not. But statistically and on average it is. In fact even logically it is.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:33 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:On average it IS more likely to be black though if red has been out 9 times. Logically maybe not. But statistically and on average it is. In fact even logically it is.

It isn't, trust me.

I get into a lot of debates on this message board but this one isn't a matter of opinion, or even science, but maths, which encompasses statistics, averages, and logic.

I've googled it and it is the "gambler's fallacy". See link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a relevant quote from the link

"The most famous example of the gambler’s fallacy occurred in a game of roulette at the Monte Carlo Casino on August 18, 1913,[5] when the ball fell in black 26 times in a row. This was an extremely uncommon occurrence, although no more or less common than any of the other 67,108,863 sequences of 26 red or black. Gamblers lost millions of francs betting against black, reasoning incorrectly that the streak was causing an "imbalance" in the randomness of the wheel, and that it had to be followed by a long streak of red."

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:35 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:On average it IS more likely to be black though if red has been out 9 times. Logically maybe not. But statistically and on average it is. In fact even logically it is.

It isn't. For that one particular roll the chances of a red are exactly the same as a black. If you ignore the zero that chance (or probability) is 1/2. The probability of hitting a red three times in a row is much smaller i.e. 1/2*1/2*1/2 = 1/8 so the probability or hitting a particular sequence is very small at the outset the probability of hitting the red or the black in the next roll is the same.

That's different if what you hit is removed, e.g. Cards. The probability of hitting red or black in cards is 26/52 (1/2). If the card that you hit (red for example) is removed the probability of getting another red goes down i.e. 25/52 whereas black is still 26/52. As you can see, black has a better chance of being picked next.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:25 am

If you remove the card, the odds 2nd time are 25/51 red and 26/51 black. The odds of drawing 2 reds are 26/52 × 25/51. The joys of having to learn O Level probability to help my lad with his GCSE's!

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:40 am

Sproggy wrote:If you remove the card, the odds 2nd time are 25/51 red and 26/51 black. The odds of drawing 2 reds are 26/52 × 25/51. The joys of having to learn O Level probability to help my lad with his GCSE's!

You're right, my apologies, that's what I meant! I'll blame it on the time!!

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:25 am

The fruit machines in pubs don't pay out badly if you know what your doing, and it's quite easy to take a few quid back. They are totally different to the machines in the bookies though, they can eat up any amount and not pay out. Luckily on the games in pubs you normally get the chance to collect, unfortunately most people don't. The only advice I have for anyone who likes to play them is to take out what you've put in as soon as you are in profit. At least that way your playing with their money and not your own.