Handball by sub

[duncandisorderly]

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Never seen this before. Is this the law?

[ClaretTony]

I'm not sure a penalty should be given but the substitute has to be carded for coming onto the pitch without permission

[Quickenthetempo]

Firstly I am getting a little fed up with subs on the sidelines impacting games. Appealing throw ins, pressure on linesmen and especially running on the pitch to celebrate goals.

If the ref thought the forward could get to the ball and the sub deliberately prevented him from doing so then a penalty is correct. What decision was made in the Wrexham game when a Burnley supporter sliding tackled their lad? Free kick or just blew for full time?

In local cricket you often see spectators come a yard onto the pitch to throw the ball back that was going for four if no fielders about. 4 is always given.

[Goobs]

As he is a sub I would have thought the infringement would be entering the pitch and that therefore an indirect free kick should be awarded rather than a penalty.

If it is a fan then would a drop ball be the result?

Re: the Wrexham game, I think the ref gave a free kick but not 100%

[Sausage]

Re: the Wrexham game, I think the ref gave a free kick but not 100%

He blew for full time.

[Down_Rover]

I think the referee was probably technically correct. it was an offence in the penalty area.

Common sense suggests, that given the ball was running harmlessly out of play, a booking was adequate

[dsr]

I'm pretty sure that a sub coming onto the field is an outside agency, just like a fan or a beach ball would be. So he can't give away a free kick or penalty, it would be a drop ball if he interfered. Obviously he can be booked or sent off for misconduct as well.

[dpinsussex]

Yellow card for entering field of play. Indirect free kick.
If it had been a spectator then outside interference and therefore drop ball.

[Man of Kent]

Firstly I am getting a little fed up with subs on the sidelines impacting games. Appealing throw ins, pressure on linesmen and especially running on the pitch to celebrate goals.

If the ref thought the forward could get to the ball and the sub deliberately prevented him from doing so then a penalty is correct. What decision was made in the Wrexham game when a Burnley supporter sliding tackled their lad? Free kick or just blew for full time?

In local cricket you often see spectators come a yard onto the pitch to throw the ball back that was going for four if no fielders about. 4 is always given.

They should make the subs warm up on a track or other area behind the stand just like they do at major athletics events such as the Olympics. They should only come forward to the pitch-side when they have been summoned to replace an on-field player. They are an irksome, annoying, distracting presence.

[Paul Waine]

They should make the subs warm up on a track or other area behind the stand just like they do at major athletics events such as the Olympics. They should only come forward to the pitch-side when they have been summoned to replace an on-field player. They are an irksome, annoying, distracting presence.

Ah, that's why there's so much space around West Ham's pitch...

[lovebeingaclaret]

I'm pretty sure that a sub coming onto the field is an outside agency, just like a fan or a beach ball would be. So he can't give away a free kick or penalty, it would be a drop ball if he interfered. Obviously he can be booked or sent off for misconduct as well.

Correct decision.

[Hipper]

All the sub seems to be doing is stopping the ball after it appears to be going out of play. He had no bad intentions. Common sense therefore would be to continue with a goal kick and warn the sub not to do it again.

If this is a serious game then it would be as dsr says.

[dpinsussex]

Correct decision.

Substitute is not an outside agent and is governed by the laws of the game at all time.

[dsr]

This is the relevant law:

7. Extra persons on the field of play
The coach and other officials named on the team list (with the exception of players or substitutes) are team officials. Anyone not named on the team list as a player, substitute or team official is an outside agent.

If a team official, substitute, substituted or sent off player or outside agent
enters the field of play the referee must:
• only stop play if there is interference with play
• have the person removed when play stops
• take appropriate disciplinary action

If play is stopped and the interference was by:
• a team official, substitute, substituted or sent off player, play restarts with a direct free kick or penalty kick
• an outside agent, play restarts with a dropped ball

So if a substitute who shouldn't be on the pitch plays the ball, whether by handball or by kicking it, it's a direct free kick or a penalty. It doesn't matter what he does, if he interferes with the game it's a direct free kick / penalty offence.

I don't know when this rule changed, but in 2008 it was only an indirect free kick for a sub coming onto the field and interfering with play.

[UpTheBeehole]

So the ref got it bang on

[dsr]

So the ref got it bang on

Yes. the reporter got it wrong, because it wasn't given for handball, it was given for interfering with play - handling it was irrelevant.