Best English Manager

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:57 pm

Is Chris Hughton establishing himself as the best English football manager. A few years ago it looked like Eddie Howe was becoming the man but in the last 18 months Dyche has surpassed Eddie and clearly become #1.

The work Hughton is doing with Brighton this year pushing towards a top half place and maybe even 7th straight after promotion is fantastic and is surely now challenging our Sean for his crown

claretnproud · Post by **claretnproud** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:13 pm

acid test for houghton is doing it again next season. for that reason he cannot yet be compared to mr dyche. players run on adrenelin in 1st season. lets see what happens next season. I like him but he still has things to prove just yet.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:13 pm

Dyche without a doubt.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:14 pm

Brian Clough ....close the thread.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:14 pm

Southgate.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:17 pm

Alan Sugar.
Dyche obviously Houghton who I rate very highly has a sugar daddy owner and a far bigger wage budget.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:22 pm

bfcjg wrote:Alan Sugar.
Dyche obviously Houghton who rate very highly has a sugar daddy owner and a far bigger wage budget.

Exactly this. He's a good manager and comes across as a really nice lad, but he's been bankrolled to a high level this season.

Not that spending big guarantees anything - ask Everton

Petrol · Post by **Petrol** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:06 pm

To be the 'Best English Manager' it is crucial, vital even, that you are actually 'English'.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:19 pm

Petrol wrote:To be the 'Best English Manager' it is crucial, vital even, that you are actually 'English'.

Are you suggesting Dyche isn’t English...? Is it because he’s got ginger hair...?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:21 pm

I think he’s suggesting that Hughton isn’t English. Mayhap because he played for the Republic of Ireland.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:46 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I think he’s suggesting that Hughton isn’t English. Mayhap because he played for the Republic of Ireland.

The Irish would find an excuse to play an indigenous Amazonian tribesman if he was good at keepy uppy .

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:49 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I think he’s suggesting that Hughton isn’t English. Mayhap because he played for the Republic of Ireland.

Ahh yes, his Irish mother who gave birth to him in London...

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:09 pm

If a Japanese lady gave birth to a Japanese baby in London would that baby be English or Japanese?

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:11 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:If a Japanese lady gave birth to a Japanese baby in London would that baby be English or Japanese?

Japanglish

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:16 pm

Of the current crop SD is outstanding defensively, Eddie is better offensively and they are both a credit to their current club.

Rumpelstiltskin · Post by **Rumpelstiltskin** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:16 pm

“If a Japanese lady gave birth to aJapanese baby”....You have already decided that the baby is Japanese ??? !!!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:19 pm

It's nice to have 3 different English managers to talk about instead of the usual subjects.

Pardew is a busted flush now I think, Sam not far behind.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:21 pm

To be the best you have to do it with a respectable budget. Which could put Dyche as the current best Premier League manager. Every other bugger has done it with a bottomless pit of money - no challenge in that.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:23 pm

I think if your parents live in the country and are not on holiday for example,you are then the nationality of your birth country.OK now Sidney and Frank?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:24 pm

bfcjg wrote:I think of your parents live in the country you are then that nationality.

Eh?

TractorFace · Post by **TractorFace** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:27 pm

I hope one day SD will manage England. And that day may come sooner than we think if England crash out of the World Cup at the group stage. I hope I'm wrong on the crashing out.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:41 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Brian Clough ....close the thread.

Bob Paisley

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:55 pm

Shush

7decades · Post by **7decades** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:03 pm

Paisley is an area of Glasgow so lets get Potty about Harry instead !!

tally · Post by **tally** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:06 pm

piston broke wrote:Of the current crop SD is outstanding defensively, Eddie is better offensively and they are both a credit to their current club.

and to Burnley FC both past and present!

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:10 pm

7decades wrote:Paisley is an area of Glasgow so lets get Potty about Harry instead !!

Nah Redknapp is rubbish

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:25 am

Argument for Dyche, Howe and I suppose Hughton.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:41 am

I'd be very surprised if Brighton had a bigger wage bill than we do this year.

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:45 pm

piston broke wrote:Of the current crop SD is outstanding defensively, Eddie is better offensively and they are both a credit to their current club.

I can see where you're coming from with that, but I'm not sure I agree.
Howe has neglected any sort of defensive framework in putting all his efforts into attacking play, with more importantly, a budget that allows him to obtain such players. I wouldn't say he's even anywhere as prolific as he should be either if this is his speciality.
SD hasn't had the budget yet to spend on the type of attacking player he would like. We now have in place a great defence and a pretty decent midfield, will be interesting to see if SD is able to concentrate more of the budget available this summer on the forward line.
My guess is that SD is every bit as good offensively as Howe, with the bonus of being much better in many other areas also. Howe lacks many more of SD's qualities than SD does of Howe.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:55 pm

bfcjg wrote:I think if your parents live in the country and are not on holiday for example,you are then the nationality of your birth country.OK now Sidney and Frank?

John McEnroe wouldn't agree - at least, he never played for Germany in the Davis Cup. Or maybe ask the well-known Indian cricketers, Douglas Jardine, Colin Cowdrey, and Bob Woolmer? Or even Ted Dexter of Italy.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:22 pm

bfcjg wrote:I think if your parents live in the country and are not on holiday for example,you are then the nationality of your birth country.OK now Sidney and Frank?

I know of a flaw in that one already.

My brother was born in a British Army hospital in Germany, but he's not part German because it wasn't a german hospital.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:40 pm

Does that make him British army hospitalian, then?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:44 pm

No Ney Never wrote:I can see where you're coming from with that, but I'm not sure I agree.
Howe has neglected any sort of defensive framework in putting all his efforts into attacking play, with more importantly, a budget that allows him to obtain such players. I wouldn't say he's even anywhere as prolific as he should be either if this is his speciality.

I don't think King, Wilson, Stanislas, Pugh, Arter, Gosling have broke the bank and they still keep scoring. It will be interesting to see where SD goes this Summer, in the market, because the back 5 should be set in stone.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:52 pm

Hughton is as Irish as the McDonagh brothers, ie Born in London but with Irish ancestry.

Probably dual nationality.

British and Irish

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:05 pm

...but not English?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:51 pm

Chris Hughton was born in London to an Irish mother and a Ghanaian father. He holds three nationalities; English, Irish and Ghanaian. Its really not difficult to use Google you know.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chris+hughton+citizenship" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No Ney Never · Post by **No Ney Never** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:56 pm

piston broke wrote:I don't think King, Wilson, Stanislas, Pugh, Arter, Gosling have broke the bank and they still keep scoring. It will be interesting to see where SD goes this Summer, in the market, because the back 5 should be set in stone.

Indeed pb, I'm interested in seeing if the likes of juke and sordell we're because that's all we could afford at the time, or SD doesn't have an eye for a striker. Wood suggests to me that he has, his next forward signing should give us a good idea.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:50 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Chris Hughton was born in London to an Irish mother and a Ghanaian father. He holds three nationalities; English, Irish and Ghanaian. Its really not difficult to use Google you know.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chris+hughton+citizenship" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chris Hughton, hands down.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Chris Hughton was born in London to an Irish mother and a Ghanaian father. He holds three nationalities; English, Irish and Ghanaian. Its really not difficult to use Google you know.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chris+hughton+citizenship" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The search has an article two from the top saying he was born in Ghana, rather than his father being born in Ghana, they obviously didn't bother researching properly.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:34 pm

Surely Irish and Ghanian is close to being Iranian

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:46 pm

It's a bit like the threads about cross-gender people, surely. He could be three things, or three different mixes of two things or one mess of three, but isn't it about what he thinks he is.

I'd guess that if he was brought up in London and went to school there, that he probably was brought up being called P###y, W##, and quite a few other things, but "English" wouldn't have been one of them. If he sees himself as something other than English, then it's probably justifiable, and it should be his choice.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:11 pm

Sidney1st wrote:

I know of a flaw in that one already.

My brother was born in a British Army hospital in Germany, but he's not part German because it wasn't a german hospital.

Good point, however as we defeated Germany it is all British somewhat like when we kicked the seals of Walney Island and claimed it for the crown.