Have we, the fans, lost the dressing room?

[Awayfromburnley]

I thought about this a few weeks ago when Brownhill gave a guarded criticism about fans needing to be patient. Then the rumoured middle finger to the fans from Roberts, when we played QPR compounded it.

Is it possible that the players don't like us, the fans?

If so, what can be done about it?

[Clovius Boofus]

Nobody likes being booed off, but you're on a hiding to nothing once you turn on your own fans. Best to grin and bear it, rather than react.

[Clovius Boofus]

Oh, and what can be done about it? Start scoring goals. What will hurt the players is that most of them are giving it 100%.

[jrgbfc]

If the players can't cope with a few half hearted boos after a poor performance maybe they need to toughen up a bit.

[Goliath]

Possibly but I don't think it makes a massive difference currently. We are on the verge of it starting to turn nasty now though, similar to the Laws era.

The next home game is absolutely huge, we simply have to perform infront of our own fans next time up.

[ElectroClaret]

No.
It's to the right of the Cricket Field Stand.

[Awayfromburnley]

To add, I think it has been coming, there is definitely a disconnect between the identity of the team, turnover of the team and a general malaise. Players are bearing the brunt.

[summitclaret]

What's annoying is the refusal to commit players up the pitch in numbers and the constant slow short backwards and sideways passing in our own half.

The lack of creativity, chances and goals is now a massive issue. The fans have been unbelievably patient imo. If Parker doesn't see the problem and do something quickly, then that patience will soon be gone.

For a start try Kolo on the left. Get Tresor at least on the bench. Start Semeinto.

[Tricky Trevor]

No. They are just not of the level that we grew used to under SD. Even VKs championship side wouldn’t have got near SDs side. Get used to it, we are going backwards.

[BurnleyFC]

Brownhill, good player that he is, is a worse captain than Francesco Schettino.

I’m amazed he’s had that job bestowed upon him.

[FCBurnley]

Appears to be a disconnect between supporters and club which includes players manager and chairman Success and failure starts at the top

[HahaYeah]

You could see from the documentary that the players don't feel supported from the fans.

[Dyched]

Maybe these players should give up a percentage of last years wages to the supporters who stood by them and renewed their season tickets. Those that were here last year had a pretty easy ride of things.

[TheFamilyCat]

To add, I think it has been coming, there is definitely a disconnect between the identity of the team, turnover of the team and a general malaise. Players are bearing the brunt.

I wondered how long it would be before someone claimed to be disconnected. There'd be no disconnect if we were winning and playing well.

[alboclaret]

You could see from the documentary that the players don't feel supported from the fans.

Vk started this narrative. He was the one who kept alluding to a poor atmosphere, pace started meeting drums. Then the player have started to point it out.

For me it's the style under vk and now Parker that kill any atmosphere....this season more so because of not many shots or sustained pressure

[bfcjg]

If I did a poor job I would expect my client to be unhappy,I wouldn't sulk I'd put it right.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

The team is suffering the hangover the fans are feeling from last season.

We were incredibly patient watching us get pumped every week under VK and expected a more entertaining season this time round and it is not materialising. Yes results are better, but we putting in dross performances against team like Plymouth and Hull, not Man City and Liverpool. Expectations are higher and the team needs to learn to deal with it, as it is not unreasonable

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

Against Preston there was not one instance of the crowd getting excited either with a chance or one of our wide players running down the wing to create anything remotely into a buzz from the stands.Fir me it's the other way round the team are losing the fans

[RalphCoatesComb]

Personally, I've lost nothing and will continue to support the ones who step onto the pitch wearing our colours. I have never booed, and never will, but there IS something wrong at present and everyone can see it.

The tactics aren't working but the team are trying. They NEED our support, not our criticism.

[FCBurnley]

I wondered how long it would be before someone claimed to be disconnected. There'd be no disconnect if we were winning and playing well.

But we are not winning or playing well !

[Roberts' Tash]

I wouldn't like the home support if I was them but the away support cannot be faulted. I enjoy away matches far more, it's great being surrounded by supporters supporting. I'm sure the players feel the same.

[alboclaret]

I wouldn't like the home support if I was them but the away support cannot be faulted. I enjoy away matches far more, it's great being surrounded by supporters supporting. I'm sure the players feel the same.

Not sure that will continue. Plenty of ****** of people coming off yesterday.

[burnley007]

Not sure that will continue. Plenty of ****** of people coming off yesterday.

Hardly surprising after THAT performance.

[Quickenthetempo]

Yep, I've had Brownhill and Roberts cancel coming round for a brew this week.

Can you all give them a clap so they come back next week please?

[TheFamilyCat]

But we are not winning or playing well !

I know. That is my point.

[jlup1980]

The players and the fans feed off each other. I've never been on a Burnley game that hasn't started with the fans behind the team, but performances on the pitch can turn the crowd quiet pretty quick! You might say we're an expectant bunch, but I think we just want to be entertained. If a wide player takes a man on and gets a good cross in the fans will react and the player will take note ("oh, they liked that... I'll do it again!").

We marvelled at Manuel Benson, Nathan Tella, and Anass Zaroury because they got us out of our seats. There was anticipation when they got the ball. It isn't a new thing, it's always been this way. We've had countless players over the years who excited the fans. Super Glen Little, Robbie Blake, Danny Ings, Adrian Heath, David Eyres, Wade Elliott etc. We don't currently have anyone who makes you think something could happen out of nothing. Whether that's because the players aren't good enough or the Manager has put the handbrake on, I don't know.

What I do know is we're not creating chances and the games are incredibly dull, meaning the fans are getting bored and frustrated... but the next time a player takes a man on and creates a chance the fans will react positively. It's football, not rocket science.

[Juan Tanamera]

Going to the last few home games of Sean Dyche's reign felt like a sense of duty, a chore, instead of eager anticipation.
Next Sunday's game is already beginning to have that can't be arsed feel about it. 🫤

[Colburn_Claret]

which comes first the chicken or the egg?

As hard as it is for them, the players have to give the fans something to cheer for, it's nigh impossible to cheer on dross ( a tad hard, we aren't dross, but we certainly aren't a team to get the audience on the edge of their seats)..

I don't doubt the effort from any of the players, but we do lack in composure at crucial times, and a definite lack of nous especially on the wings. All that glitters is not gold.

The most frustrating thing is watching other teams whipping balls into the box, rather than trying to pick a man out and playing backwards if they don't see someone. So many wasted opportunities.

[KRBFC]

Roberts had some pretty scathing words about our football club once he left on loan to Leeds, out of sheer desperation he’s been allowed back without anybody mentioning his prior words.

[KRBFC]

And is it any wonder the players don’t like the fans?

101 points, league title and less than 10 games later at a higher level, the fans turned on the players and manager.

At other clubs those players and manager would be hero’s, not here though.

[The Shire Claret]

Roberts had some pretty scathing words about our football club once he left on loan to Leeds, out of sheer desperation he’s been allowed back without anybody mentioning his prior words.

What did he say ?

[The Shire Claret]

As a fanbase I do think we have become a bit entitled ....

Footballers get paid a lot of money but human nature isn't altered by a bank balance

It's only natural to feel a divide

I can imagine the booing at the end of the QPR result when you put it all in which I personally think we did can cause divides

I think yesterday is one they have to take on the chin cause we were way off it ....

Perspective

[Colburn_Claret]

And is it any wonder the players don’t like the fans?

101 points, league title and less than 10 games later at a higher level, the fans turned on the players and manager.

At other clubs those players and manager would be hero’s, not here though.

Most of the players you claim we turned on, weren't even in the squad that gained 101 pts.

The same as today the problem is frustration. If we were crap we'd have to accept it. The problem last season, and this, is that there is the nucleus of a good team there, but the style of play doesn't work. I don't blame SP for that, his post match comments suggest he sees the same as the fans, where he is failing is that despite whatever we do on the training ground, or he says in the dressing room, the team on the pitch go out and repeat the same mistakes.
It's time he asked himself who isn't doing what they are supposed to, and then drop them. Play them in the U21s, or from the bench until they start delivering. Nobody should be undroppable.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

And is it any wonder the players don’t like the fans?

101 points, league title and less than 10 games later at a higher level, the fans turned on the players and manager.

At other clubs those players and manager would be hero’s, not here though.

I thought the fans in the stadium were for the most part incredibly patient last season, given we were getting pumped every week. JT got a lot of stick, but I don't recall much booing.

Admittedly there was plenty of people kicking off on here, but that is not the same thing.

[KRBFC]

I thought the fans in the stadium were for the most part incredibly patient last season, given we were getting pumped every week. JT got a lot of stick, but I don't recall much booing.

Admittedly there was plenty of people kicking off on here, but that is not the same thing.

So now JT is supposed to just forget that?

[bfcmik]

They have certainly lost the 'fans' who post on the matchday threads! Almost wall to wall vitriol against Parker and various individual players.

[theboydonegood]

I think we are setting up not to conscede. We seem to be adjusting to the opposition way to much for this league and our squad. Hence hardly making chances. Thats on the coaching/manager. Players do seem to be trying though. Its worrying as players can become too "scared" to try things. At least in the first quarter of the last champ season you could see progress. However IF we get some of the injured back we should still walk the league. Even with the current manager. Tbdg

[Dark Cloud]

I think a big part of the issue is that pretty much all professional footballers are going to be "mercenary" to a degree because ultimately it's a job and it's a short career. That's accepted and goes without saying. BUT when it's made so absolutely obvious by players like many we've had recently, who were ok to sign on, smile for the camera holding the Burnley scarf and take huge wages when Kompany was at the helm and they were getting the limelight of the PL, but couldn't wait to run for the escape exit the minute there's a downturn because "they're too good for this club" it's bound to create a disconnect with the fans. As a professional footballer Jack Cork (as an example) is a mercenary, but he's hidden it well and showed commitment and loyalty and accepted responsibility and had a connection with the fans throughout his entire time at the club. He's never sulked or acted like he's utterly peed off and wants out when things take a downturn. Other players have also got rich playing for Burnley, but they've still had a great rapport and mutual respect with the fans. It's sad, but it's never been more obvious that in the past couple of years many players simply came to Burnley for the wrong reasons and some are still there. When things are going well those cracks don't show, but when they're not going well they seem blindingly obvious. Results up to yesterday were just about ok, even if performances generally weren't, but after yesterday, against a very, very average team, I feel we are definitely at a crossroads as a club and particularly in terms of the players relationship with the fans. Tbf the disconnect started last season when things were going extremely badly in the PL and Parker now has to somehow get this current team firing in order to get the fans back on board. Some say we've become "entitled", but I THINK I'm right in saying that 6th place in the championship is the lowest position we've held in the league pyramid in the last 9? years (after defeat at Hull on Boxing Day, before the 23 unbeaten) so yes, we have come to expect more. Plus we have to look what generally happens to sides who don't immediately bounce back from relegation. The wilderness beckons like it has for Stoke, West Brom, Norwich, Swansea, Cardiff, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Rovers, etc, etc, so we're bound to be worried!! Have we lost the crown jewels and replaced them with a lot of coloured glass? At the moment it looks like we might have as this current team looks a more than decent side, but more than decent sides don't get into the top two.

[Woodleyclaret]

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[dsr]

The players and the fans feed off each other. I've never been on a Burnley game that hasn't started with the fans behind the team, but performances on the pitch can turn the crowd quiet pretty quick! You might say we're an expectant bunch, but I think we just want to be entertained. If a wide player takes a man on and gets a good cross in the fans will react and the player will take note ("oh, they liked that... I'll do it again!").

We marvelled at Manuel Benson, Nathan Tella, and Anass Zaroury because they got us out of our seats. There was anticipation when they got the ball. It isn't a new thing, it's always been this way. We've had countless players over the years who excited the fans. Super Glen Little, Robbie Blake, Danny Ings, Adrian Heath, David Eyres, Wade Elliott etc. We don't currently have anyone who makes you think something could happen out of nothing. Whether that's because the players aren't good enough or the Manager has put the handbrake on, I don't know.

What I do know is we're not creating chances and the games are incredibly dull, meaning the fans are getting bored and frustrated... but the next time a player takes a man on and creates a chance the fans will react positively. It's football, not rocket science.

Last weekend against QPR the fans started off quite lively, and then the game started and it was literally 90 seconds before a player of either side touched the ball in the opponent's half. And that was a pass to a man one yard over the halfway line who immediately played it back into our half. I dare say there is a technical skill in passing it round the back four, but it isn't going to enthuse the crowd.

[Bfc]

After watching yesterday's game on tv, I've made a heartbreaking decision, to not bother watching any more televised away games. Not many years ago, I had travelled the length and breadth of country watching all our matches. That passion to not even want to switch on the tv and see the game, is result of the poor standard of football the team is playing and lack of goal attempts. I live on my own and end swearing out loud, getting annoyed and frustrated with the poor quality of passes the team make on a number of occasions. Not accurately playing the ball to a player 10 metres away, is very poor for professional players. The team lack a leader on the pitch. Someone who will prompt players to hold the ball instead of pinging it backwards constantly. Doing that allows the opposition players their chance to behind the ball. If the Club want the supporters to make more noise, give us something to shout about, or watch the crowds dwindle. Playing the style of football we're watching, it won't take much to lose a lot supporters.

[burnley007]

After watching yesterday's game on tv, I've made a heartbreaking decision, to not bother watching any more televised away games. Not many years ago, I had travelled the length and breadth of country watching all our matches. That passion to not even want to switch on the tv and see the game, is result of the poor standard of football the team is playing and lack of goal attempts. I live on my own and end swearing out loud, getting annoyed and frustrated with the poor quality of passes the team make on a number of occasions. Not accurately playing the ball to a player 10 metres away, is very poor for professional players. The team lack a leader on the pitch. Someone who will prompt players to hold the ball instead of pinging it backwards constantly. Doing that allows the opposition players their chance to behind the ball. If the Club want the supporters to make more noise, give us something to shout about, or watch the crowds dwindle. Playing the style of football we're watching, it won't take much to lose a lot supporters.

Not quite at this stage yet, but I always make an effort to watch away games with my son on the TV, we've also been to 3 away games this season, but I have made no effort to arrange it for West Brom and I don't intend to. I will leave him to do something more interesting with his mates because he is losing interest now too.
I will still probably torture myself though and watch the game, have a beer, get thoroughly frustrated and vent my annoyance on here, (sorry everyone).

[quoonbeatz]

I think fans have forgotten how to be fans, not just us but football in general. Perhaps it’s more football has forgotten fans.

[Vegas Claret]

The lads get so many positive and encouraging comments on their social media (as well as bad ones). Football can turn on a goal and a win, the whole atmosphere changes around everything.........we just need to find some

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Many are saying that the fans have been incredibly patient - 13 games isn’t patient - but it is incredible.

[bobinho]

Brownhill, good player that he is, is a worse captain than Francesco Schettino.

I’m amazed he’s had that job bestowed upon him.

This. I wouldn’t follow brownhill in a conga… never seen a captain. Shame, when you consider some of the quality leaders we have had in our recent past.

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

And is it any wonder the players don’t like the fans?

101 points, league title and less than 10 games later at a higher level, the fans turned on the players and manager.

At other clubs those players and manager would be hero’s, not here though.

Through no fault of the players that achieved the 101pts though, they were en-masse ‘dropped’ in favour of an entirely new side that didnt have that credit in their bank accounts.

Tella, THB etc would have.

But not Amdouni, Odobert, Berge, etc.


Rightly or wrongly, they came, took the premier league wages. Failed abysmally and then had the audacity to tell the club they didnt want to be here!

The ones left are trying and I dont think they should be booed.

But they should be intelligent enough to understand that if you cant muster a single shot on target the punters are going to be disgruntled. The players need to decide for themselves if they think that is aimed at the team, individuals, or the tactics.


‘It aint rocket science’

[BigGaz]

The team is suffering the hangover the fans are feeling from last season.

We were incredibly patient watching us get pumped every week under VK and expected a more entertaining season this time round and it is not materialising. Yes results are better, but we putting in dross performances against team like Plymouth and Hull, not Man City and Liverpool. Expectations are higher and the team needs to learn to deal with it, as it is not unreasonable

A perfect assessment really.

It is not unreasonable to want to be to entertained. It is possible to be mindful of the injury problems, the upheaval and so on but also be a bit miffed at the lack of said entertainment.

We were waxing lyrical not too long ago about our 2nd and potentially even 3rd string players being good enough for most championship sides so with that in mind it's difficult to accept 'lesser' teams able to string some lovely moves together and presenting goal threats.

[Stonehouse]

And is it any wonder the players don’t like the fans?

101 points, league title and less than 10 games later at a higher level, the fans turned on the players and manager.

At other clubs those players and manager would be hero’s, not here though.

I don’t how you can say the fans turned on the players last season apart from on the forum where Trafford and Muric both had their turns at being public enemy no 1,& imply that other fans wouldn’t turn on their teams is absolute ********.

[Awayfromburnley]

I think fans have forgotten how to be fans, not just us but football in general. Perhaps it’s more football has forgotten fans.

The last sentence is bang on