Motivation

[Safron]

It must be near on impossible to motivate players soon to be made redundant at the club and shows the massive task SD has to install the belief and fight into the players ,how the hell as it been allowed to come to this I'll never know, but it's a shocking way to run a club.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Made redundant?
Players choosing to run down their contracts are not being made redundant by the club

[paulatky]

The fact that some players have a better chance of getting a contract offer it we are relegated is very worrying going into the next 10 games.

If we do go down we need to come straight back up

[MACCA]

Made redundant?
Players choosing to run down their contracts are not being made redundant by the club

2 have chosen, regards the the other 8 it's been taken out of their hands.

[warksclaret]

I think that the motivation we once enjoyed up to lets say the start of COVID and every player on their game, made us hard to beat, plus our forwards were then getting a share of goals

[AlargeClaret]

It’s hardly surprising the following lot aren’t exactly prime cuts are they ? And with the exception of Tarky won’t get anywhere near a prem starting XI

Bardsley
Barnes
Tarky
Long
Cork
JRod
JBG
Vydra
Westwood

[paulatky]

Should Mee be in that list or does the club have an option for another year ?

[ClaretTony]

Made redundant?
Players choosing to run down their contracts are not being made redundant by the club

I think I'd be very careful using the word 'choosing' for most of them. And if they have been offered nothing, and aren't offered anything, then they are, in effect, being made redundant.

[ClaretTony]

Should Mee be in that list or does the club have an option for another year ?

All the contract end dates are shown at this link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/players/squad-list

[Safron]

It’s hardly surprising the following lot aren’t exactly prime cuts are they ? And with the exception of Tarky won’t get anywhere near a prem starting XI

Bardsley
Barnes
Tarky
Long
Cork
JRod
JBG
Vydra
Westwood

6 of those are currently first team in or around, will have a big effect in the dressing room

[beddie]

The damage was done in January, we had to sign at least one quality midfield player, it’s of our own doing.

[claretgimmer]

It might be the case that some players have chosen to run down their contracts, some haven`t yet been offered which I think is probably the norm given our position but players like Vydra who didn`t come cheap, and hasn`t in my eyes been given a fair crack of the whip is never likely to sign another contract under Dyche even if it was offered and yet would be a proven asset in the championship. P*** poor management

[PremierLeagueClass]

The damage was done in January, we had to sign at least one quality midfield player, it’s of our own doing.

The damage has been done over the last 3-4 years.

[AlargeClaret]

It’s not about the individual players per se , it’s about the chronic lack of investment previous to Pace n Co. It’s by en large an over the hill squad , these are players who , to a man gave us their best , but Father Time waits for no man .

[Loyal Supporter]

I think I'd be very careful using the word 'choosing' for most of them. And if they have been offered nothing, and aren't offered anything, then they are, in effect, being made redundant.

They are at the end of a fixed term contract, which is very different from redundancy.

[bobinho]

Exactly loyal. Redundancy is the removal of a role, not an individual. I’d suggest unless we are re-writing how football teams are put together, then the players not offered anything have merely reached the end of their agreed contract.

[IanMcL]

No player in our squad would like to be remembered for getting us relegated!

They will all want to go out in their shield.

Up the Clarets

[ClaretTony]

They are at the end of a fixed term contract, which is very different from redundancy.

Yes it is, but I was responding really to someone who was suggesting these players were 'choosing' to go.

[Stayingup]

The damage has been done over the last 3-4 years.

Yes but compounded by no midfield signing in January. They were let down for whatever reason by the Croats but all the eggs should not have been in one basket - so to speak.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes but compounded by no midfield signing in January. They were let down for whatever reason by the Croats but all the eggs should not have been in one basket - so to speak.

Let’s be honest that winger was not the player we needed anyway.

We needed a CM. We have for the last 3 seasons

[Safron]

Redundant or not how do you motivate someone who knows they won't be at the club regardless

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think I'd be very careful using the word 'choosing' for most of them. And if they have been offered nothing, and aren't offered anything, then they are, in effect, being made redundant.

Tarks has chosen to run his down, he therefore isn't being made redundant.
Haven't we been trying to get Mee to sign another?

I know the club will wait until they know which league we're in next season for the rest of them.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It’s hardly surprising the following lot aren’t exactly prime cuts are they ? And with the exception of Tarky won’t get anywhere near a prem starting XI

Bardsley
Barnes
Tarky
Long
Cork
JRod
JBG
Vydra
Westwood

Bardsley is retiring isn't he?

Vydra is bored of being a sub for the majority of his time here.

Long will, within reason, sign whatevers put in front of him if it means he can carry on being our number 1 bench warmer.

Tarks has run his down.

[Quickenthetempo]

Tarks has chosen to run his down, he therefore isn't being made redundant.
Haven't we been trying to get Mee to sign another?

I know the club will wait until they know which league we're in next season for the rest of them.

I think Ben Mee is just wanting better terms.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think Ben Mee is just wanting better terms.

So if he doesn't sign a new one, the club hasn't made him redundant, he's choosing to leave.

[Quickenthetempo]

So if he doesn't sign a new one, the club hasn't made him redundant, he's choosing to leave.

I'm not getting into silly debates about redundancy, I was just pointing out Ben wants better terms rather than to leave like Tarky.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'm not getting into silly debates about redundancy, I was just pointing out Ben wants better terms rather than to leave like Tarky.

I accept that, but if he doesn't get those terms he wants then he will voluntarily leave his place of employment.

Players aren't made redundant, because their jobs don't become redundant unless the club itself folds.

As someone else said, they're on a fixed term contract and at the end of that they can freely leave or stay if they've signed a new one.

[Stalbansclaret]

It might be the case that some players have chosen to run down their contracts, some haven`t yet been offered which I think is probably the norm given our position but players like Vydra who didn`t come cheap, and hasn`t in my eyes been given a fair crack of the whip is never likely to sign another contract under Dyche even if it was offered and yet would be a proven asset in the championship. P*** poor management

I don't really get the point you are making here. Vydra has had enough game time and opportunities for us to see that he is short of Premier League quality (something indicated by his previous track record elsewhere also)..are you suggesting Dyche should have played him nevertheless so as to keep him sweet in preparation for relegation to the Championship !?

[ClaretTony]

Tarks has chosen to run his down, he therefore isn't being made redundant.
Haven't we been trying to get Mee to sign another?

I know the club will wait until they know which league we're in next season for the rest of them.

Tarkowski the only one I believe

[RVclaret]

I don't really get the point you are making here. Vydra has had enough game time and opportunities for us to see that he is short of Premier League quality (something indicated by his previous track record elsewhere also)..are you suggesting Dyche should have played him nevertheless so as to keep him sweet in preparation for relegation to the Championship !?

He’s scored 11 goals in 37 starts for us. That’s not bad going for someone who rarely has had a run. Not to mention the fact we look more dangerous generally when he plays due to his extra yard of pace / movement in behind. It is odd why he hasn’t been given more of a chance - for example earlier this season, Leicester away, we played really well first half, he got an assist, then disappears from the starting 11. Last season, he was very good foil for Wood during his purple patch, this season Dyche hardly used them together. Why?

[Paddy1882]

Every single game we have remaining now is a winnable one bar maybe spurs and West Ham away although hopefully the latter will be tired after playing the Thursday in Europe. Dyche is paid an awful lot of money to motivate the players, he needs to find a way.

[SkiptonClaret]

Longy’s done enough for a contract extension.

[boatshed bill]

The fact that some players have a better chance of getting a contract offer it we are relegated is very worrying going into the next 10 games.

If we do go down we need to come straight back up

If i was in charge I'd be waving goodbye to any senior player out of contract, they have had some incredible deals over many seasons.
Time to go.

[Spijed]

If i was in charge I'd be waving goodbye to any senior player out of contract, they have had some incredible deals over many seasons.
Time to go.

But at this moment in time the last thing we want is players thinking they don't have to put any effort regardless of where we finish.

We want players to give it all they've got until the end of the season.

[boatshed bill]

But at this moment in time the last thing we want is players thinking they don't have to put any effort regardless of where we finish.

We want players to give it all they've got until the end of the season.

Do you think they are doing that right now?

[randomclaret2]

I mentioned this when a similar topic was discussed on here a few weeks back, but I wouldn't be surprised if our American ownership are struggling with the concept of awarding new contracts to a group of players who have won 3 of the last 31 Premier League games. Failure in American sport doesnt tend to be rewarded shall we say. I'm not saying I agree or otherwise with this approach , merely that it may explain the current contracts situation.

[Jakubclaret]

But at this moment in time the last thing we want is players thinking they don't have to put any effort regardless of where we finish.

We want players to give it all they've got until the end of the season.

“They don’t have to put any effort in regardless” it’s far too late for that that’s 1 of reasons why we find ourselves where we are. The application of maximum effort as been a luxury component, far too many people just simply don’t give a sh1t, half probably realise extensions aren’t favourable or preferential & want out anyway there’s no better way to advance the end.

[claretgimmer]

My point StA is that Dyche was ready to persist with other players when they were shall we say underachieving or lacking consistency, when it came to Vydra it was almost like he couldn`t wait to drop him, I don`t think Vydra is a world beater but he isn`t the liability that Dych and some on here seem to think, as RVC said his goal return per game wasn`t to shabby for a player who who only played in bits and bats for most of his time with us apart from last season when he formed a decent partnership with Woods which Dyche saw fit to discontinue at the start of the season. That however is history and Vydra has a decent record at championship level and would be an asset to us if/when the inevitable happens but an expensive signing will probably walk due to his treatment and personally I wouldn`t blame him, but he brings something different to what our other forwards have but Dyche does like his totem poles up front.

[boatshed bill]

Longy’s done enough for a contract extension.

Nice bit of humour there.

[dsr]

He’s scored 11 goals in 37 starts for us. That’s not bad going for someone who rarely has had a run. Not to mention the fact we look more dangerous generally when he plays due to his extra yard of pace / movement in behind. It is odd why he hasn’t been given more of a chance - for example earlier this season, Leicester away, we played really well first half, he got an assist, then disappears from the starting 11. Last season, he was very good foil for Wood during his purple patch, this season Dyche hardly used them together. Why?

He has scored 11 goals in 91 matches, some of them starts and some sub appearances. He hasn't scored 11 in 37 starts.

Incidentally, I think it's relevant to the debate as to whether he is PL class, to note that he has scored 7 goals in 76 appearances. It would also be relevant to know how many were starts and how many sub, but I don't have the figures.

[bfcjg]

When I was fit enough to play football my motivation was to win every game and believe me I have played for some crap teams. I cannot believe a person lucky enough to be paid to play a game mo

[bfcjg]

Continued now Deliveroo have delivered, most of us play for a hobby and love of the game.

[the_magic_rat]

My point StA is that Dyche was ready to persist with other players when they were shall we say underachieving or lacking consistency, when it came to Vydra it was almost like he couldn`t wait to drop him, I don`t think Vydra is a world beater but he isn`t the liability that Dych and some on here seem to think, as RVC said his goal return per game wasn`t to shabby for a player who who only played in bits and bats for most of his time with us apart from last season when he formed a decent partnership with Woods which Dyche saw fit to discontinue at the start of the season. That however is history and Vydra has a decent record at championship level and would be an asset to us if/when the inevitable happens but an expensive signing will probably walk due to his treatment and personally I wouldn`t blame him, but he brings something different to what our other forwards have but Dyche does like his totem poles up front.

Didn't Vydra get some time off after the Euros, during which time he got married, then on his return picked up an injury? It wasn't necessarily that Dyche arbitrarily "saw fit to discontinue" the partnership with Wood.

[Leon_C]

Is there any 'evidence' (eg players' first-hand accounts) of how motivation wanes, in these types of situations. eg, relegation looming, contracts approaching the end.

I mean - this thread is formed on a (plausible but unproven) assumption that players approaching end of contract would reduce their effort.
In that case, the counterpoint is that they are in the shop window, and looking for a new job, so to speak. So arguably they would be putting in MORE effort than usual.

Also, these players are professional athletes, and who is to say that they would knowingly taper part way through a season.