REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

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REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:16 pm

Brentford v Burnley report

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https://www.uptheclarets.com/problems-i ... tford-loss

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by bfcjg » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:23 pm

Cheers Tony, haven't watched the game yet and I don't think I will, writings on the wall.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by BaronGarcia » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:29 pm

Another good day out spoiled by a very bad result. I’m finding it hard to keep going with my support for Dyche with his team choices and tactics. Cork should have played, Jay should have started, McNeil needs dropping.
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by matttheclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:34 pm

BaronGarcia wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:29 pm
Another good day out spoiled by a very bad result. I’m finding it hard to keep going with my support for Dyche with his team choices and tactics. Cork should have played, Jay should have started, McNeil needs dropping.
Cork not starting is baffling. Dyche has got that badly wrong, Westwood has been awful this season

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:36 pm

There should be no down time in the next 3 weeks

Shooting practice, free kicks etc

Practice Practice Practice

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Milltown1882 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:37 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:36 pm
There should be no down time in the next 3 weeks

Shooting practice, free kicks etc

Practice Practice Practice
I’d hope they’re doing that anyway for 50 grand a week.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:38 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:37 pm
I’d hope they’re doing that anyway for 50 grand a week.
Obviously not enough

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:38 pm

BaronGarcia wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:29 pm
Another good day out spoiled by a very bad result. I’m finding it hard to keep going with my support for Dyche with his team choices and tactics. Cork should have played, Jay should have started, McNeil needs dropping.
I've missed the last two at Brighton & Palace so was really looking forward to this one. I'm not one to question Dyche but I'm surprised Cork hasn't got back in, We're also missing Ben Mee, our most important player, and Erik Pieters. But we should not have lost that game.
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:39 pm

Looking a very bad decision not to get Mee off immediately in the Leicester game.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by matttheclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:42 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:38 pm
I've missed the last two at Brighton & Palace so was really looking forward to this one. I'm not one to question Dyche but I'm surprised Cork hasn't got back in, We're also missing Ben Mee, our most important player, and Erik Pieters. But we should not have lost that game.
Pieters has been a big miss. I think it's time Lowton comes back in too

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by bfcjg » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:45 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:36 pm
There should be no down time in the next 3 weeks

Shooting practice, free kicks etc

Practice Practice Practice
I was talking to a bloke who regularly watches the training from a lane in Padiham whilst out with his dogs, the set piece drills are repetitive, the main thrust of the stop and start sections tend to be crosses from Cornay and Dwight towards the edge of the box,crosses from Lennon and Brownhill into the box.
Obviously not a full picture but it doesn't surprise me.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by buzzclarets79 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:07 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:36 pm
There should be no down time in the next 3 weeks

Shooting practice, free kicks etc

Practice Practice Practice
No it'll be framework, defend, framework, defend.

That and coaching any attacking talent out of our forward thinking players
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by warksclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:19 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:36 pm
There should be no down time in the next 3 weeks

Shooting practice, free kicks etc

Practice Practice Practice
Absolutely-and a total appraisal of the oppsition, even if its City. We obviously dont do things like that as seen with Brentford. Corners and long throw ins to be on the agenda

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by warksclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:21 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:38 pm
I've missed the last two at Brighton & Palace so was really looking forward to this one. I'm not one to question Dyche but I'm surprised Cork hasn't got back in, We're also missing Ben Mee, our most important player, and Erik Pieters. But we should not have lost that game.
Fully agree about Mee-he is missed, but up to the 10 minute of destruction Tarks & Collins were outstanding. I still think with Mee in we would have lost. AS for Pieters, Taylor not at his best right now

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:34 pm

Watched live on tv and it never looked like we would score. It just needed 1 chance for them to win it. The goal was simply awful defended started by Roberts and Lennon not putting any pressure on Eriksen and compounded by Collins losing his man who I have to say had been in Collins pocket the whole game. Sadly games last 90 mins not 85.
Mee is a huge loss not only because of his own input but also that his absence means Tarks has to play left cb. After today’s farcical goings on at Elland rd we could be left high and dry after the Man City game. But Everton seem to be as bad as us so all is not quite lost yet.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Papabendi » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:54 pm

"the header was baffling"

It looked like McNeil had never headed the ball before. So many elements of his game need work.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:21 pm

matttheclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:42 pm
Pieters has been a big miss. I think it's time Lowton comes back in too
I wouldn't argue with either of those

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Papabendi » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:33 pm

Lowton is slowly turning in to a world beater

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by matttheclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:38 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:33 pm
Lowton is slowly turning in to a world beater
Don't think anyone thinks that.

I definitely think Roberts has been disappointing though
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by bodge » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:55 pm

Yes definitely an odd looking ground, what struck me was the lack of corporate boxes which is unusual in this day and age.

Good alehouses near the ground, Bell and Crown and the Steam Packet, getting away on the train from Kew Bridge was much easier than expected as well.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:56 pm

Papabendi wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:33 pm
Lowton is slowly turning in to a world beater
Not at all, just that Roberts is struggling
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:08 pm

Agree about the bizarre shape to the ground/stands, but it will be because of the odd parcel of land they used and I guess land in west London isn't easy to find or cheap. It's sandwiched in between 3 major railway lines and I suppose wasn't particularly desirable for residential building or much else. It totally lacked atmosphere too though and until the goal I heard no crowd noise whatsoever from the home fans and even when the goal went in it was very low key.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by EarbyClaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:19 pm

There was a clamour to get Roberts in the team and his athleticism added something short term - but to be fair to Lowton he hadn't done a lot wrong - it was just that we had a quality alternative in that position - which is not the case at for example RM, LM and CM

Forgetting City would feel much more confident with a Lowton/Tarkowski (on the right)/Mee/Pieters back four going into the last 10 games

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:21 pm

'looking more and more ill equipped for this level of football"... very telling phrase in Tony's report
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Bullabill » Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:30 pm

"I know some don’t mind, but I always think we should be playing in our club colours whenever we can."
-Me too.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:01 pm

Something under Dyche that we have been very good at, which we have now lost:

The ability to win must win games......
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:06 pm

Especially against teams around us

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:18 pm

To win any game of football you need to be scoring goals.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by ClaretLoup » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:23 pm

Indeed the old Burnley would seldom lose to the teams below them and more often than not beat them. I suppose that hasn’t changed this season the problem is there are only two teams below them.

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by BaronGarcia » Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:00 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:38 pm
I've missed the last two at Brighton & Palace so was really looking forward to this one. I'm not one to question Dyche but I'm surprised Cork hasn't got back in, We're also missing Ben Mee, our most important player, and Erik Pieters. But we should not have lost that game.
Agree CT. I just cannot get my head around Cork being dropped to the bench. Two things really concern me about Dyche and his staff right now, the first is his dogged insistence of playing certain players every game regardless of their form and our results, and second is his inability to change (in a timely manner) during a game.

It’s cost us time and time again, fans can see it, but he and his staff somehow don’t. He gets paid the big money to manage this, and right now I do t think he deserves his massive rewards. Just my opinion and a lot of supporters on this board will disagree with me, but hey ho.
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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by JohnDearyMe » Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:05 am

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:01 pm
Something under Dyche that we have been very good at, which we have now lost:

The ability to win must win games......
This plus contriving to lose them too. I sadly believe we are done for this season

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Re: REPORT: Problems increase after Brentford loss

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:54 am

BaronGarcia wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:00 am
Agree CT. I just cannot get my head around Cork being dropped to the bench. Two things really concern me about Dyche and his staff right now, the first is his dogged insistence of playing certain players every game regardless of their form and our results, and second is his inability to change (in a timely manner) during a game.

It’s cost us time and time again, fans can see it, but he and his staff somehow don’t. He gets paid the big money to manage this, and right now I do t think he deserves his massive rewards. Just my opinion and a lot of supporters on this board will disagree with me, but hey ho.
That doggedness, stubbornness, call it what you want, is also a strength that he has. At the end of the day, the players we had on the pitch in that game, against that Brentford side, should have won.

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