Name the next manager

[Newcastleclaret93]

You could also flip that logic and say Carvajal reached the Europa League quarter finals and lost in extra time with 9 men, Dyche couldn't even get out of the qualifying rounds.

That’s a strange argument. We are an English club we are very rarely going to even get into the competition. It’s the same teams nearly every season.

If we look at league form which is what 95% of the managers responsible for at Burnley. Then Carvalhal isn’t fit to (theoretically) lace Dyches boots is he? Surely that’s not even debatable.

[Silkyskills1]

Sky Sports speak to Dean Marney who says that, in his opinion, Burnley may want a "young, up-and-coming manager". He mentions Michael Duff (my first choice) and Wayne Rooney.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... ley-go-for

What has Duff done to warrant what would be a meteoric rise to becoming manager at Turf Moor?

[KRBFC]

Why do you think Carvalhal would be a good appointment? His previous record in English football shows that he's a decent mid-table Championship manager, nothing more. The fact that he's won a cup in a weak Portugal league means absolutely nothing to me. If we go with your logic, why don't we bring Brian Laws back? Historical results mean nothing so he could improve us.

And I seriously think that many of you overestimate achievements while evaluating a manager. There are several clubs who perform well each season, but that doesn't mean their manager is a new Mourinho.

For example, I live in Croatia and sporadically watch Dinamo games. They had some decent results in Europa League over the last few years but I would never touch any of their managers.

He wouldn't be top of my list, I'd prefer him to Wilder/Pardew/Bruce/Allardyce though. He's built a decent side at Braga, I watched them beat Benfica recently.

[Newcastleclaret93]

What has Duff done to warrant what would be a meteoric rise to becoming manager at Turf Moor?

His achievements are quite good for Cheltenham tbh. But your correct not sure he is the level of manager required right now

[Murger]

Appointing Carvahal just smacks of desperation.

[randomclaret2]

Appointing Carvahal just smacks of desperation.

I suspect we're getting to that stage...

[Mrpotatohead]

The evidence points towards a catastrophic breakdown in relations between Dyche and Pace last week for whatever reason. I'm beginning to think we have no plan on who/what we are looking for. Maybe it was the shock of the announcement last Friday, but I thought a week later we would have a clear target at the very least. I'm getting the feeling that isn't the case.

[KRBFC]

That’s a strange argument. We are an English club we are very rarely going to even get into the competition. It’s the same teams nearly every season.

If we look at league form which is what 95% of the managers responsible for at Burnley. Then Carvalhal isn’t fit to (theoretically) lace Dyches boots is he? Surely that’s not even debatable.

I'm arguing nothing, just showing how facts can be twisted both ways to suit either point. I'm not sure how to really compare league form in different countries with different budgets, not that I care to. What is Dyche's recent record? 4 wins all season, 6 wins in 55+ games?

[Newcastleclaret93]

He wouldn't be top of my list, I'd prefer him to Wilder/Pardew/Bruce/Allardyce though. He's built a decent side at Braga, I watched them beat Benfica recently.

What do you mean he’s built a decent team? They finished 3rd the season before he took over.

They finished 4th last season and will finish 4th this season.
He’s won a couple of local cup trophies but that club reaches the finals/semi finals nearly every season. In the league he’s just been average.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm arguing nothing, just showing how facts can be twisted both ways to suit either point. I'm not sure how to really compare league form in different countries with different budgets, not that I care to. What is Dyche's recent record? 4 wins all season, 6 wins in 55+ games?

We are not comparing different leagues? Just compare English ones. He’s not fit to lace his boots.

This would be a really poor signing.

[williamjblazkowicz]

What has Duff done to warrant what would be a meteoric rise to becoming manager at Turf Moor?

He got Cheltenham promoted from League Two as champions on a shoestring budget. According to an article from The Guardian, the club have only paid a fee for one player (£5,000 for Alfie May) in his time there. He now has them comfortably in League One. Where do you want him to go and what do you want to see from him before he's "ready" to become Burnley manager? Does he need Championship experience? Premier League experience? Does lacking that experience guarantee failure? I think he's a good young manager who clearly understands the club and will have learned a lot from Dyche. It would be a change without necessarily doing a complete 180. I think he's ready.

[Greenmile]

KBRFC has a hard-on for everyone and anyone who is Portuguese for some bizarre reason.

[randomclaret2]

He got Cheltenham promoted from League Two as champions on a shoestring budget. According to an article from The Guardian, the club have only paid a fee for one player (£5,000 for Alfie May) in his time there. He now has them comfortably in League One. Where do you want him to go and what do you want to see from him before he's "ready" to become Burnley manager? Does he need Championship experience? Premier League experience? Does lacking that experience guarantee failure? I think he's a good young manager who clearly understands the club and will have learned a lot from Dyche. It would be a change without necessarily doing a complete 180. I think he's ready.

Would we want him if he hadnt played for us ? Id be surprised if Mr Pace has even heard of him.

[JamesSherbourne]

I’m hopeful that Duff will return one day but as discussed above I’m not sure now is the right time.

[KRBFC]

What do you mean he’s built a decent team? They finished 3rd the season before he took over.

Exactly what I said, he's built a decent side who've sold some very good players in recent years.

[KRBFC]

KBRFC has a hard-on for everyone and anyone who is Portuguese for some bizarre reason.

Vamos Benfica

[Lancasterclaret]

Look, can everyone just calm down a bit here

We will know by Sunday afternoon whether we have a chance of staying in this division or not, and if its not, then we have a lot of time to get a new manager for the championship

And if we still have a chance, then there is no point appointing a manager as we are doing well enough to possibly survive, and there is no hurry

Posts like "smacks of desperation" (based on a tweet from one journalist) are just silly at the moment

Its a big decision, and the chairman and board have a lot of responsibility to get this right, and will need time to do that

Desperation btw is appointing Brian Laws, and we are miles away from that stage

[williamjblazkowicz]

Would we want him if he hadnt played for us ? Id be surprised if Mr Pace has even heard of him.

This is the main argument of those opposed to Michael Duff -- I've heard it a few times already. In all honesty, no, I probably wouldn't be advocating for Michael Duff if he hadn't played for us. However, that's more because I don't follow enough football to know about someone like him if it hadn't been for the Burnley link!

What I would say is that I'm not in favour of just any old ex Burnley lad taking over. For example, I'm not exactly suggesting Joey Barton, Paul Cook, or Graham Alexander! My suggestion of Michael Duff is a combination of what he's achieved so far and the fact that he started off his coaching career with us, gained valuable experience from Dyche, and knows the club inside-out. I do think all that, and the fact that he's a popular figure, are only positives that shouldn't be ignored. However, I do understand those that disagree. No hard feelings there.

[KRBFC]

This is the main argument of those opposed to Michael Duff -- I've heard it a few times already. In all honesty, no, I probably wouldn't be advocating for Michael Duff if he hadn't played for us. However, that's more because I don't follow enough football to know about someone like him if it hadn't been for the Burnley link!

What I would say is that I'm not in favour of just any old ex Burnley lad taking over. For example, I'm not exactly suggesting Joey Barton, Paul Cook, or Graham Alexander! My suggestion of Michael Duff is a combination of what he's achieved so far and the fact that he started off his coaching career with us, gained valuable experience from Dyche, and knows the club inside-out. I do think all that, and the fact that he's a popular figure, are only positives that shouldn't be ignored. However, I do understand those that disagree. No hard feelings there.

What exactly has Duff achieved? promotion from League Two? lol lets hire the Padiham manager then

[Silkyskills1]

Vamos Benfica

I think you've mixed up your languages there. Different meanings in the two countries.

[williamjblazkowicz]

What exactly has Duff achieved? promotion from League Two? lol lets hire the Padiham manager then

Come on, KRBFC, you're more intelligent than that. Yes, he has achieved promotion as Champions from League Two with nothing to spend. He's then gone on and kept Cheltenham comfortably in League One, again with nothing to spend. I consider that to be a significant achievement. If you don't, then fair enough.

[KRBFC]

I think you've mixed up your languages there. Different meanings in the two countries.

huh?

[ClaretTony]

This is the main argument of those opposed to Michael Duff -- I've heard it a few times already. In all honesty, no, I probably wouldn't be advocating for Michael Duff if he hadn't played for us. However, that's more because I don't follow enough football to know about someone like him if it hadn't been for the Burnley link!

What I would say is that I'm not in favour of just any old ex Burnley lad taking over. For example, I'm not exactly suggesting Joey Barton, Paul Cook, or Graham Alexander! My suggestion of Michael Duff is a combination of what he's achieved so far and the fact that he started off his coaching career with us, gained valuable experience from Dyche, and knows the club inside-out. I do think all that, and the fact that he's a popular figure, are only positives that shouldn't be ignored. However, I do understand those that disagree. No hard feelings there.

Duff has done a terrific job at Cheltenham, and getting a club that size is an achievement, but I don't see how that qualifies him for a Premier League job.

[Lancasterclaret]

Come on, KRBFC, you're more intelligent than that. Yes, he has achieved promotion as Champions from League Two with nothing to spend. He's then gone on and kept Cheltenham comfortably in League One, again with nothing to spend. I consider that to be a significant achievement. If you don't, then fair enough.

I don't think its as simple as that though is it?

Has he done a good job? Yes

Does this qualify him for a premier league job (or a championship club aiming for promotion) No

The only reason he is being mentioned is because he's a club legend

[Greenmile]

I think you've mixed up your languages there. Different meanings in the two countries.

I’m pretty sure that “vamos” (meaning “let’s go” or “come on”) is the same in Portuguese as in Spanish, in a football sense, at least.

[williamjblazkowicz]

Duff has done a terrific job at Cheltenham, and getting a club that size is an achievement, but I don't see how that qualifies him for a Premier League job.

And that's fair enough, all about opinions. I can understand why some would perhaps want to see him gain Championship experience first. However, I don't think I've seen one name linked with the Burnley managerial post that doesn't come with some risk.

[Silkyskills1]

Good point by Lancasterclaret. The chances of us catching up a four point deficit and then building on that to retain our status is verging on highly improbable. I don't believe Dyche would have managed it and it would be a monumental achievement for anyone else. Any appointment now is going to have little, if any, immediate effect so banding names around as we have seen is inconsequential.

[williamjblazkowicz]

I don't think its as simple as that though is it?

Has he done a good job? Yes

Does this qualify him for a premier league job (or a championship club aiming for promotion) No

The only reason he is being mentioned is because he's a club legend

Well, the answer to that second question is surely subjective. How do you assess whether someone is qualified for a position? Does the candidate require Championship experience? Premier League experience? How much? How many games should they have won at those levels?

As to your last point, I've outlined my multiple reasons as to why I'm personally mentioning him. I can't speak for others.

[ClaretTony]

And that's fair enough, all about opinions. I can understand why some would perhaps want to see him gain Championship experience first. However, I don't think I've seen one name linked with the Burnley managerial post that doesn't come with some risk.

They all come with some risk. The last one did but his experience had been at the same level as we were playing at the time.

[Silkyskills1]

And that's fair enough, all about opinions. I can understand why some would perhaps want to see him gain Championship experience first. However, I don't think I've seen one name linked with the Burnley managerial post that doesn't come with some risk.

Championship experience? His level currently is Div.1 and will remain that at best until he makes an impact in that league.

[KRBFC]

I don't think its as simple as that though is it?

Has he done a good job? Yes

Does this qualify him for a premier league job (or a championship club aiming for promotion) No

The only reason he is being mentioned is because he's a club legend

This is debatable imo, recency bias potentially. Not sure on which side I sit on this claim, on one hand he gave great lengthy service and was here for 3 promotions, on the other he was pretty average for most of his time here, particularly at right back. Wasn't a key player in 2 of the promotions. An interesting one, probably not best debated on here and I'm not even sure on my judgement.

[KRBFC]

I’m pretty sure that “vamos” (meaning “let’s go” or “come on”) is the same in Portuguese as in Spanish, in a football sense, at least.

It is, I never have any idea what that guy is talking about.

[BabylonClaret]

Hmm. Lots of debate but not much progress. We need to stop falling out - it's time to take a leaf out of Lancasters book - he was pretty critical last week following the sack but is now moving away from that and talking about giving time to get the decision right.

What is clear is that the sacking was a knee jerk reaction to a spe ific incident, that ALK clearly didn't have anyone lined up and that (like many were saying at weekend) there wouldn't be a queue of people lining up (other than maybe some of the "usual crowd")

That means we are looking at a risk and change if direction here which could pay off or or may not. I do think though it means a lot of us are going to have to lower expectations a lot more to give the new person chance to take us forward (hopefully).

It's kind of exciting all this speculation but I am more in the space of thinking we will run as we are for the final 7 games rather than bring someone in. The only bounce we might get is if the players really were queuing up behind Dyche with the knives.

Right now most people wouldn't be a poor appointment - they just need to be better than the current team we have - which is effectively none or an inexperienced 1st team amanger and a club captain (that's the only fact we have now)

[Lancasterclaret]

Well, the answer to that second question is surely subjective. How do you assess whether someone is qualified for a position? Does the candidate require Championship experience? Premier League experience? How much? How many games should they have won at those levels?

As to your last point, I've outlined my multiple reasons as to why I'm personally mentioning him. I can't speak for others.

Of course its subjective, but its subjective based on a fairly solid SWOT analysis

It looks like a huge step up from here, and the only reason he is being mentioned is because he used to play for us

I think its going to be a foreign coach, and hopefully one who absolutely bring something close the success that we managed under SD (though I an convinced that we will probably never manage what he achieved again with the way football is changing)

[Silkyskills1]

It is, I never have any idea what that guy is talking about.

Difference in implication. Just a case of borrowing from other languages as we do in this country.

[ClaretLoup]

My preference would be for Michael Duff precisely because he has been at this club for a number of years as a player and a coach, on top of his other fine attributes. However I think that would have worked better under the previous regime.

My suspicion is that what Alan and his mates are looking for is some data driven dweeb who will buy into all their statistical orientated management style, plus be in subservient coach type role to all the geeks who will select the players. Nothing wrong with that approach but I can’t see Duff fitting in to that kind of regime when he has worked in set ups previously where the manager probably has had greater autonomy.

[williamjblazkowicz]

Championship experience? His level currently is Div.1 and will remain that at best until he makes an impact in that league.

I'm not sure I follow. I'm asking if people want to see Michael Duff gain Championship experience. I know his current level is League One because he's manager of Cheltenham who are in...League One!

What do you define an impact as? I'd argue he's already made a huge impact to have Cheltenham where they are in the table. Feel free to argue otherwise. Whether he'll get a Championship job off the back of that, I don't know. He may. He may even end up going to a bigger League One club and taking them up to the Championship. I think it's incredibly tough for him to take Cheltenham much higher than they currently are without at least a little financial backing. Then again, he may continue to surprise! I've yet to see a convincing argument as to why Michael Duff isn't ready other than people mentioning the words "Championship" and "Premier League" without further explanation.

[jedi_master]

Carvalhal is about what I was expecting. He’ll be cheap and desperate enough.

I remember Robbie Blake saying to me that when Laws was appointed the players had the same reaction that the fanbase did “You what?”. People can, from that point forward, question their professionalism/effort following Coyle leaving and bringing Laws in - but it felt like the club had given up. This is as bad as that, if it comes to pass.

He’s 56 and managed 19 clubs (or, 18 with two spells at Braga). The vast majority (as in, all but two of those posts) have had a time span of less than one year with his longest jobs being Wednesday and Braga for two years.

He is not the right profile in the slightest for this job by any metric.

[warksclaret]

Dont want to sound negative but I am a tad nervous about the new owners being able to find the "right fit for our club", and being able to do it swiftly.Not likely to be in place until next week at the earliest, by which time just 5 games left. Its not helped my confidence knowing how difficult the new owners have found it to get a new player over the line. I hope I am wrong

[SalisburyClaret]

If we stay up this season which would be an outstanding performance, Mike Jackson deserves to continue- perhaps with a bit of help

[Silkyskills1]

Just checked the league. 14 th, just above Accrington and 22 points from a potential play off place. Not arguing he hasn't done well and I'm sure the people of Cheltenham are very happy with him. What type of club in the Championship could you see taking a punt on him?

[KRBFC]

Difference in implication. Just a case of borrowing from other languages as we do in this country.

So you quoted me just to nit pick again? do you have some issue with me?

[warksclaret]

Carvalhal is about what I was expecting. He’ll be cheap and desperate enough.

I remember Robbie Blake saying to me that when Laws was appointed the players had the same reaction that the fanbase did “You what?”. People can, from that point forward, question their professionalism/effort following Coyle leaving and bringing Laws in - but it felt like the club had given up. This is as bad as that, if it comes to pass.

He’s 56 and managed 19 clubs (or, 18 with two spells at Braga). The vast majority (as in, all but two of those posts) have had a time span of less than one year with his longest jobs being Wednesday and Braga for two years.

He is not the right profile in the slightest for this job by any metric.

The modern "RANIERI"

[SalisburyClaret]

Carvalhal is about what I was expecting. He’ll be cheap and desperate enough.

I remember Robbie Blake saying to me that when Laws was appointed the players had the same reaction that the fanbase did “You what?”. People can, from that point forward, question their professionalism/effort following Coyle leaving and bringing Laws in - but it felt like the club had given up. This is as bad as that, if it comes to pass.

He’s 56 and managed 19 clubs (or, 18 with two spells at Braga). The vast majority (as in, all but two of those posts) have had a time span of less than one year with his longest jobs being Wednesday and Braga for two years.

He is not the right profile in the slightest for this job by any metric.

Exactly right

[KRBFC]

If we stay up this season which would be an outstanding performance, Mike Jackson deserves to continue- perhaps with a bit of help

Win tonight and maybe Jackson is the guy for the rest of the season. I'm certainly impressed with him in interviews.

[KRBFC]

I'm pretty sure King Jorge Jesus is available after a poor spell back at Benfica, was heavily linked with taking over from the sex offender Cuca at Atletico Mineiro (who did a fabulous job in winning the Brazilian title last year and the cup).

[ClaretLoup]

Duff has done a terrific job at Cheltenham, and getting a club that size is an achievement, but I don't see how that qualifies him for a Premier League job.

In that case, what are the qualifications required for a Premier League job?

[arise_sir_charge]

Why is so much focus on Carvalhal?

[williamjblazkowicz]

Just checked the league. 14 th, just above Accrington and 22 points from a potential play off place. Not arguing he hasn't done well and I'm sure the people of Cheltenham are very happy with him. What type of club in the Championship could you see taking a punt on him?

That's hard to say as I simply don't know what each club would be looking for in a manager. Honestly, Blackpool could do worse if they end up losing Critchley. If they did, I'd assume it's because they see what I see. A young manager who is performing a small miracle on next to nowt.

I do understand why some would have their reservations but I don't think his absence of Championship or even Premier League managerial experience means some sort of guarantee of failure. If it did, then what can we say about some of these other managers being linked like Kjetil Knutsen. He's never managed in English football. He's never even played in English football. Duff has (and at the highest level).

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why is so much focus on Carvalhal?

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