Jewish group calls for Burnley Football Club to rename Turf Moor's Bob Lord Stand

[Rileybobs]

If you were a Jewish person who agreed with the criticism, would you want to post that in this thread?

I see where you’re coming from, but personally yes I would.

[claretburns]

It won't be long until its offensive to call them down the road B+×÷=/_s.

The world has gone mad

I have saved this quote and will post in 50 years time, in which I expect this post to be removed and fanzone to be condemned for his/her choice of word.

[Rileybobs]

I have saved this quote and will post in 50 years time, in which I expect this post to be removed and fanzone to be condemned for his/her choice of word.

Bit presumptuous of you to assume that fanzone is a he/she.

[Rowls]

I’d be interested to hear what any Jewish Burnley fans think of this. It’s easy to say ‘some people are offended by everything’ and turning this into a juvenile woke debate whilst totally missing the point that different people are offended by different things.

That's the key to this kind of thing. Easy to go down the routes as you say above but there needs to be a balance between that which is innately offensive and that which is only offensive to the hyper-sensitive.

If too many topics / words become tabboo we risk creating an underground and leaving the topics to those who would cause division and strife.

If we are blase and uncaring, we risk alienating people and groups within our society.

Having the Bob Lord stand named after him is no more an endorsement of all the silly, daft or despicable things he may have said than it is an endorsement of his decision to sell players like Jimmy McIlroy or Martin Dobson.

[Jimjan]

Not the Raspberry ripple effect?

[ClaretTony]

CT. I would have told the journalist to sod off and not waste my time. Fortunately you are more tolerant than me lol

He did get very tiresome to be honest, just coming back time and time again with the same point. I wasn't defending Lord at all, his comment that night was totally unacceptable, but there has to be some context to it and not for one minute do I think he intended making an antisemitic comment.

It did get a mention in this artlcle from early 2020

https://www.uptheclarets.com/no-tv-came ... or-cup-tie

[Jimjan]

I tried to think of a pun involving Neopolitan but couldn't

[Billy Balfour]

I wouldn't try to defend Lord's comments, because you'll only end up looking like a bit of a pillock, but I will say this; it was a long time ago and bears no reflection on the club in 2022, or indeed the last 40 years.

[Lancasterclaret]

I for one am amazed this thread is full of "worlds gone mad" type posts

[aclaretinstevenage]

I was contacted on this matter by a journalist for the Jewish Chronicle on 23rd May and tried to explain it to them but the journalist really wasn't for listening.

And therein lies the problem. You are not allowed an alternative view to the offended parties narrative, not only in this incidence but in most of the modern day offence scenarios.

So will we get a vote on what the stand will be known as going forward?!

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

What worries me about this thing it could escalate and certain media outlets could twist the knives further.We already have bad press about racist issues what with that stupid banner at Man City and even people on social media berating our lack of black players.We are also regarded as a town full of BNP supporters with a councilor once being voted in about 20 years ago and a bit of a turn out for that nob Tommy Robinson when he came to town.It all seems a sad reflection and nowhere near the truth.

[LowtonClaret]

However bonkers it appears, historical comments/statements are coming back to haunt people. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Andre Gray get banned for comments he made on twitter years earlier. It's the world we live in now I'm afraid.

[Colburn_Claret]

The question nobody is asking is why now?

I'm not as well versed in the history of the club as some, but it isn't something I remember. That said Bob Lord was to football, what Boris is to politics. Speak first, think about it after.
My question would be if I don't recall it, then I'm fairly sure you could count on one hand, the number of Jews who would. How can you be offended by anything you aren't aware of. So the good people of St Albans, a great name for a team with a Jewish society, should answer whether they are genuinely upset, or are they just **** stirring in order to make headlines.

As everyone else I'm shocked, but not surprised at Bob, and if it happened today he would be , quite rightly, castigated. BUT, 50 years on, you've got to be having a laugh.

[Colburn_Claret]

However bonkers it appears, historical comments/statements are coming back to haunt people. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Andre Gray get banned for comments he made on twitter years earlier. It's the world we live in now I'm afraid.

And that was wrong too

[evensteadiereddie]

I for one am amazed this thread is full of "worlds gone mad" type posts

Nice one, Lc.

[ksrclaret]

And that was wrong too

Incredible statement. Andre Gray posted that homosexuals make him sick, and they should burn and die.

Whether Lord was anti-Semitic or not, what he said was. Fact.

I can see why people would be upset, but I can also see why people don't feel the stand should be renamed.

[Boss Hogg]

I’d be interested to hear what any Jewish Burnley fans think of this. It’s easy to say ‘some people are offended by everything’ and turning this into a juvenile woke debate whilst totally missing the point that different people are offended by different things.

Oh dear

[quoonbeatz]

Asking for an internal investigation into something that happened 50 odd years ago is the most embarrassing thing.

Don't think dave said that.

[Murger]

Don't think dave said that.

I never said he did.

[Colburn_Claret]

Incredible statement. Andre Gray posted that homosexuals make him sick, and they should burn and die.

Whether Lord was anti-Semitic or not, what he said was. Fact.

I can see why people would be upset, but I can also see why people don't feel the stand should be renamed.

I wasn't agreeing with anything he said, just arguing that a very young, impressionable man, living with life peers far removed from his present life style, his circumstances or his present experiences, should be dragged through the mud for something he clearly regretted, and apologised for.

Most people have said and done things they regret, clearly not you, you must be perfect. That's why someone thousands of years ago came up with a wise adage, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[TheFamilyCat]

I’d be interested to hear what any Jewish Burnley fans think of this. It’s easy to say ‘some people are offended by everything’ and turning this into a juvenile woke debate whilst totally missing the point that different people are offended by different things.

Was going to post something similar myself. How the posters complaining about "easily offended" can know what is offensive to Jews is beyond me.

For what it's worth, I don't believe there is any need to go changing the name of the stand over one comment. The club just need to handle this diplomatically to avoid negative PR.

[ksrclaret]

I wasn't agreeing with anything he said, just arguing that a very young, impressionable man, living with life peers far removed from his present life style, his circumstances or his present experiences, should be dragged through the mud for something he clearly regretted, and apologised for.

Most people have said and done things they regret, clearly not you, you must be perfect. That's why someone thousands of years ago came up with a wise adage, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Oh dear.

I've certainly done things I regret and, no, I'm not perfect (although with that weak response I have another wise adage for you - sarcasm being the lowest form of wit). What I've never done is come out with such disgusting comments as Gray did, and even if I did think those awful things I'd not be stupid enough to provide an online record of my views. Gray was rightly punished and it was absolutely correct that he was.

I'm glad you agree his comments were wrong though. That's something, at least.

[Stayingup]

I wonder how many Jewish season ticket holders we have. Would be interesting to get their views. Anybody?

Well Claret and Jew might be.

[Stayingup]

Oh dear. Worlds gone, gone. Did they call for the removal of Pogba when he unfurled a Palestinian flag in front of the Glazers at OT?

I know where I'd tell this lot where to go.

[TheFamilyCat]

Oh dear. Worlds gone, gone. Did they call for the removal of Pogba when he unfurled a Palestinian flag in front of the Glazers at OT?

I know where I'd tell this lot where to go.

Let's be grateful they didn't approach you for a quote.

[Rowls]

However bonkers it appears, historical comments/statements are coming back to haunt people. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Andre Gray get banned for comments he made on twitter years earlier. It's the world we live in now I'm afraid.

He's got one over Bob Lord in a certain respect by virtue of still being alive.

I think if Bob Lord is banned from the Turf for five games we shouldn't appeal.

[Boss Hogg]

I know we have some Jewish fans. They don’t want a stand renaming over this. Why don’t we call for Volkswagen to change its name as it used Jewish forced labourers from camps in WW2 or Mercedes who used thousands of Jewish labourers from
Concentration camps ? There are not as easy to pick on are they ?

[Colburn_Claret]

Was going to post something similar myself. How the posters complaining about "easily offended" can know what is offensive to Jews is beyond me.

For what it's worth, I don't believe there is any need to go changing the name of the stand over one comment. The club just need to handle this diplomatically to avoid negative PR.

It doesn't answer the question of how many Jews would even know about it, if St Albans and some wannabe journo hadn't broadcast it.
Dragging historical statements like this up is wrong. It's a time and a place that no longer exists. We can all reference the history, but if we spent more time looking forward the world would be a much more harmonious place.

[Stayingup]

Let's be grateful they didn't approach you for a quote.

Oh I wish they had. Mard @rses.

[Billy Balfour]

His comments were clearly out of order, but why resurrect this now, all these years later? To me, this sounds like someone has come across this and sent it to the Jewish Chronicle. Given some of the recent stuff about us a certain national tabloid, I think there is an orchestrated campaign to trash us into the dirt.

[aclaretinstevenage]

I'm troubled a little by the thought of people in closed rooms trawling through years and years of press cuttings trying to find issues from so long ago to complain about today and i'm not just thinking of this issue. I wonder how this came to the attention of a board of deputies in a synagogue in St Albans at this time?

[elwaclaret]

As a kid in the 1970’s I can genuinely state that I had no idea that the term bore any relation to the religion. I think the nearest Jewish community I was aware of into my 20’s was Cheatham Hill. I lived in Manor Park, London shortly after and I was genuinely amazed at the Jewish community there. My younger sister called them the ‘black hats’ because she as a child had no reference point to call them ‘Jewish’.

They were very different and looking back innocent/ignorant times….. God I miss them at times.

[TheFamilyCat]

It doesn't answer the question of how many Jews would even know about it, if St Albans and some wannabe journo hadn't broadcast it.
Dragging historical statements like this up is wrong. It's a time and a place that no longer exists. We can all reference the history, but if we spent more time looking forward the world would be a much more harmonious place.

I wasn't attempting to answer that question and I don't think it's really relevant.

My point was that the majority of posters on this board shouldn't believe they are the barometer for what is offensive to a Jewish person. Or a female, or an Asian etc, etc.

Why has this been brought up now? I don't know, possibly following the dickhead giving the Nazi salute at WHL has prompted them to dig for other examples of anti-Semitism at BFC.

I don't think there is anything wrong in bringing up these things from the past. For me, acknowledging what has happened in the past and moving on is more beneficial than trying to sweep it under the carpet and pretending it never happened.

[quoonbeatz]

I never said he did.

Neither did I.

[Nori1958]

However bonkers it appears, historical comments/statements are coming back to haunt people. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Andre Gray get banned for comments he made on twitter years earlier. It's the world we live in now I'm afraid.

The difference is people have known about Lords comment for years, yet nobody has ever called for the stand to be renamed until now, why?

[BurnleyFC]

I would’ve thought Mr. Keith Appleby would’ve had bigger things to worry about with the world as it currently is.

[Rileybobs]

Oh dear

Care to explain what you found so oh dear-worthy about my post?

[elwaclaret]

History offers lessons, it is not a weapon for smashing monuments. You can change messaging but you can never undo history. Denying history only lead to its repetition… never attack Eastern Europe in winter… Mr. Napoleon, Hitler, Putin.

[nil_desperandum]

Why has this been brought up now? I don't know, possibly following the dickhead giving the Nazi salute at WHL has prompted them to dig for other examples of anti-Semitism at BFC.

I think that could quite possibly be the case.
It only needs one moron to misrepresent us, and it reinforces a perception / misconception about our club / the rest of us.

[Colburn_Claret]

I wasn't attempting to answer that question and I don't think it's really relevant.

My point was that the majority of posters on this board shouldn't believe they are the barometer for what is offensive to a Jewish person. Or a female, or an Asian etc, etc.

Why has this been brought up now? I don't know, possibly following the dickhead giving the Nazi salute at WHL has prompted them to dig for other examples of anti-Semitism at BFC.

I don't think there is anything wrong in bringing up these things from the past. For me, acknowledging what has happened in the past and moving on is more beneficial than trying to sweep it under the carpet and pretending it never happened.

I agree the majority of us have no idea what the Jewish community think, but I don't think its unreasonable to presume that the vast majority of them would be as unaware of this episode, unless these people and journalist hadn't raised it.
Unless they are accusing modern Burnley fans of supporting antisemitism, what is the purpose. What useful service does it bring to today. There isn't anybody on here supporting what Bob Lord said, other than the fact the people who ran the TV back then were tight arses, but Bob's way of expressing that was out of order.
I understand what you mean, but surely this had already been acknowledged, we had already moved on, and nobody was trying to sweep anything under the carpet. So why now?

[Bin Ont Turf]

Give it its proper name - the Martin Dobson stand

Give it its proper name - the Martin Dobson stand

And put another tier on by the looks.

[elwaclaret]

And put another tier on by the looks.

Good forward planning by Bob Lord finally pays off… and people worry that he wasn’t an educated man and often spoke out of turn.

[Taffy on the wing]

I’d be interested to hear what any Jewish Burnley fans think of this. It’s easy to say ‘some people are offended by everything’ and turning this into a juvenile woke debate whilst totally missing the point that different people are offended by different things.

I am deeply offended and saddened by the Jewish State for it's ongoing slow motion Genocide against the Palestinians

i'm not holding my breath for an apology.

[Rileybobs]

I am deeply offended and saddened by the Jewish State for it's ongoing slow motion Genocide against the Palestinians

i'm not holding my breath for an apology.

Some people will get offended by anything these days.

[Nonayforever]

I'm troubled a little by the thought of people in closed rooms trawling through years and years of press cuttings trying to find issues from so long ago to complain about today and i'm not just thinking of this issue. I wonder how this came to the attention of a board of deputies in a synagogue in St Albans at this time?

You would probably be quite surprised how much money various groups up and down the country receive in the form of Government grants to pursue what is probably described as equality and inclusivity.

[fatboy47]

If I was looking to identify football's prime nests of religious bigots, throwbacks and gobsh1tes I'd be starting my search a few miles north of Paisley.

[aclaretinstevenage]

You would probably be quite surprised how much money various groups up and down the country receive in the form of Government grants to pursue what is probably described as equality and inclusivity.

I suspect I would be be quite surprised indeed! It's the why I can't get!

[CrosspoolClarets]

Looks like a perfect opportunity for the club to take a moral stance, rename the stand and make some dosh out of it.

Apart from the loss of heritage, history and the disrespect it would show one of the main figures to get us punching above our weight.

An interesting thing to keep an eye on, whether or not that chance is taken or whether the views of the fans would hold sway,

(I find the whole cancel culture thing abhorrent, divisive, illiberal and damaging to the various causes it purports to protect, but that is an entirely different issue that I can’t be arsed to think about right now)

[Loyal Supporter]

What worries me about this thing it could escalate and certain media outlets could twist the knives further.We already have bad press about racist issues what with that stupid banner at Man City and even people on social media berating our lack of black players.We are also regarded as a town full of BNP supporters with a councilor once being voted in about 20 years ago and a bit of a turn out for that nob Tommy Robinson when he came to town.It all seems a sad reflection and nowhere near the truth.

Don't forget the massive Brexit vote that some people have said had racist overtones.

[Claretforever]

I’m genuinely laughing here. This can’t be serious, right? If so, tell them the F off. Haha.

“Hmm, 50 years ago someone said”