Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[BurnleyFC]

Welcome to Burnley, Manuel!

[NewClaret]

Called it !

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... FPdSUh5gMQ

I was hoping we’d announce it after Cornet to WHU was announced & the video was him walking up to the shirt printing desk, asking for “20 Benson please” and Maxwel handing the shirt over!

[123EasyasBFC]

When cornet goes that will take sales to 68Mil and then weghorst loan probs a couple of mil, then 17.5mil spent on 10 players to me is fantastic business, 50mil in transfer profit still without evening touch parachute payments.
All the released players wages comes to close to 12mil for the year, personally think there’s still 2 or 3 good money signings to come

[Big Vinny K]

Indeed the signing which didn’t happen & the 1 that did which was disastrous, anymore success stories of APs forays into the transfer market you care to share?

Cornet
Collins
Cullen

And that’s just the ones beginning with C !!
Listen….you have your very weird Captain Hindsight opinions and you are entitled to them.
We got relegated last season because of many different factors….Weghorst missed virtually any open net. Cornet missed an actual open net. Cornet missed a penalty. Collins got sent off….Collins inexplicable hand ball etc etc

But where were Barnes and Jay all season……where were Dwight’s goals and assists ?

To the lay the blame at AP and his transfers when so many established players failed to perform - and we were still one win from staying up…..is just a bit daft.

The way you are talking AP should be hanged - in public as voted by the public…..now who in their right mind would advocate that ?

[Duffer_]

All the released players wages comes to close to 12mil for the year

How have you arrived at that figure? Just assumed £1m (less than £20k per week) per player? Are you assuming relegation clauses are in effect for it to be so low?

[boatshed bill]

Given our business and that great showing on Friday I can't see why anyone would choose to take a negative view of things.
If we have a decent season and come out close to debt free I think most of us should be very happy

[Woodleyclaret]

Well said but we need to do a Fulham and blitz the Championship .Anything else is unacceptable.

[Jakubclaret]

Cornet
Collins
Cullen

And that’s just the ones beginning with C !!
Listen….you have your very weird Captain Hindsight opinions and you are entitled to them.
We got relegated last season because of many different factors….Weghorst missed virtually any open net. Cornet missed an actual open net. Cornet missed a penalty. Collins got sent off….Collins inexplicable hand ball etc etc

But where were Barnes and Jay all season……where were Dwight’s goals and assists ?

To the lay the blame at AP and his transfers when so many established players failed to perform - and we were still one win from staying up…..is just a bit daft.

The way you are talking AP should be hanged - in public as voted by the public…..now who in their right mind would advocate that ?

Cornet & Collins haven’t stuck about but we are including them as masterstroke signings? You could actually say the 2 were part of a relegated side although it’s unfair to blame them 2 it was a collective thing, regarding Cullen he’s had 1 good game against Huddersfield. The old team I include barnes & jay in this have done their bit throughout the years & that’s nothing to do with pace he wasn’t about when the 2 of them started out, service wise you could say throughout the years them 2 have done far more than anybody pace as brought into the club.

[Hedontplayforyou]

If we are to believe mr Nixon, in that we want a striker , a no.10, a winger and a centre back, then I have to say the first three positions on that list are exciting to think we may well have three new attacking threats incoming.

Presumably the winger will be right footed to balance things out.

Hopefully the striker possesses a bit of speed about him. It’s a lot to ask when you sign so many players at once, but I hope this group help relatively quickly because I feel if they do, is clarets may be in for a very entertaining season indeed.

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[Big Vinny K]

Cornet & Collins haven’t stuck about but we are including them as masterstroke signings? You could actually say the 2 were part of a relegated side although it’s unfair to blame them 2 it was a collective thing, regarding Cullen he’s had 1 good game against Huddersfield. The old team I include barnes & jay in this have done their bit throughout the years & that’s nothing to do with pace he wasn’t about when the 2 of them started out, service wise you could say throughout the years them 2 have done far more than anybody pace as brought into the club.

Who said anything about masterstroke signings ?
But without Cornet’s goals and Collins’ performances after Mee was injured we would probably have been relegated by March……and then there is the small matter of the significant amount of profit we have made on both players….so i’m guessing they were not bad signings.
Do you not think they were decent players ? Or is it just because they left you don’t rate them ?

Actually don’t bother answering any of the above…….please

[123EasyasBFC]

How have you arrived at that figure? Just assumed £1m (less than £20k per week) per player? Are you assuming relegation clauses are in effect for it to be so low?

We released 12 players, When you look online at Burnley players wages they had
Mee - 70k a week (in and around)
Tarky - 60k a week
Vydra - 40k a week
Stephens 40k a week
Pieters - 35k a week
Hennessey- 30k a week
Lennon - 20k a week
Bardsley- 20k a week

If you add that up and then do it for the year it comes to more then 12mil in fact

[Duffer_]

We released 12 players, When you look online at Burnley players wages they had
Mee - 70k a week (in and around)
Tarky - 60k a week
Vydra - 40k a week
Stephens 40k a week
Pieters - 35k a week
Hennessey- 30k a week
Lennon - 20k a week
Bardsley- 20k a week

If you add that up and then do it for the year it comes to more then 12mil in fact

Not quite. Based on your numbers, it's £16.4m and that's for 8, not the 12 you mentioned.

Edit: my bad, it was me that mentioned 12 players but would be more useful in context of outgoings and incomings to include those that have been transferred.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not quite. Based on your numbers, it's £16.4m and that's for 8, not the 12 you mentioned.

I said in and around 12mil, as a basic figure, I’ll endeavour to get the correct figures next time.

Was merely trying to show what a good summer it’s been in regards to transfers and working with the budgets we have

[Duffer_]

I said in and around 12mil, as a basic figure, I’ll endeavour to get the correct figures next time.

Was merely trying to show what a good summer it’s been in regards to transfers and working with the budgets we have

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a smart @rse. Was just curious.

[Jakubclaret]

Who said anything about masterstroke signings ?
But without Cornet’s goals and Collins’ performances after Mee was injured we would probably have been relegated by March……and then there is the small matter of the significant amount of profit we have made on both players….so i’m guessing they were not bad signings.
Do you not think they were decent players ? Or is it just because they left you don’t rate them ?

Actually don’t bother answering any of the above…….please

Profit to pay off debt we shouldn’t have incurred in the first place that’s helpful, good evening.

[123EasyasBFC]

Profit to pay off debt we shouldn’t have incurred in the first place that’s helpful, good evening.

Majority of clubs in England are in debt and therefore sell players to help pay off some debt

[summitclaret]

Profit to pay off debt we shouldn’t have incurred in the first place that’s helpful, good evening.

That's true, but it looks like we are going to have a young, exciting, fast team playing pass and move football. Who knows what will happen, but it should get us all off our seats.

[Jakubclaret]

Majority of clubs in England are in debt and therefore sell players to help pay off some debt

That true but we have moved away from the well run sustainability model that was once established successfully for many years it’s not as if we have always been in debt. this is a new thing not self inflicted.

[boatshed bill]

That true but we have moved away from the well run sustainability model that was once established successfully for many years it’s not as if we have always been in debt. this is a new thing not self inflicted.

In truth the wage demands of our ageing squad were making financial sustainability tricky, particularly as we failed to cash in when some players were at the height of their value.
OK, we weren't in debt, but we weren't attractive to any really big investors.

[Grandpa Claret]

When cornet goes that will take sales to 68Mil and then weghorst loan probs a couple of mil, then 17.5mil spent on 10 players to me is fantastic business, 50mil in transfer profit still without evening touch parachute payments.
All the released players wages comes to close to 12mil for the year, personally think there’s still 2 or 3 good money signings to come

I agree, brilliant business. Is it made public where the rest of the money goes? Would this go into paying off the loan? Or is this paid directly to the owners?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I agree, brilliant business. Is it made public where the rest of the money goes? Would this go into paying off the loan? Or is this paid directly to the owners?

We won't know until the accounts are released in two years.

[123EasyasBFC]

That true but we have moved away from the well run sustainability model that was once established successfully for many years it’s not as if we have always been in debt. this is a new thing not self inflicted.

To kick on any further garlick would of had to take us into debt

[Big Vinny K]

Profit to pay off debt we shouldn’t have incurred in the first place that’s helpful, good evening.

Yes well done…..you’ve cracked it now

…..but just imagine if they were rubbish signings. How would we repay the debt then ?

Or is this another of your Captain hindsight arguments ? Because I kind of agree that if Garlick would not have sold the club the way he did and took his huge profit then we would not be in this state.
In fact do we go back and blame Kilby for bringing Garlick on to the board ?

TEASDALE OUT TEASDALE OUT

[nig1954]

I see that Verda has announced on his Instagram account that he won’t be taking up Burnley’s offer of another contract and is returning to Czechoslovakia to complete his rehabilitation.
This is what Kompany more or less alluded to in today’s press conference when asked about Vydra’s recovery situation

[nig1954]

*Vydra

[randomclaret2]

I agree, brilliant business. Is it made public where the rest of the money goes? Would this go into paying off the loan? Or is this paid directly to the owners?

It presumably offsets the shortfall between what we were receiving from the broadcasting deal as a Premier League team , with what Year 1 parachute payments are.

[Stayingup]

Given our business and that great showing on Friday I can't see why anyone would choose to take a negative view of things.
If we have a decent season and come out close to debt free I think most of us should be very happy

We should not have been in debt in the first place. It hurts me personally that some of our star players have been sold to service that. But as you say lets hope for a decent season.

[Jakubclaret]

Yes well done…..you’ve cracked it now

…..but just imagine if they were rubbish signings. How would we repay the debt then ?

Or is this another of your Captain hindsight arguments ? Because I kind of agree that if Garlick would not have sold the club the way he did and took his huge profit then we would not be in this state.
In fact do we go back and blame Kilby for bringing Garlick on to the board ?

TEASDALE OUT TEASDALE OUT

For sure the spending would have slowed or stopped with garlic but the cash reserves were there, 2 choices garlic in the championship with the cash reserves intact or pace with untried & untested with possibly more potential but haemorrhaging cash hand over fist, to be honest both scenarios don’t fill me with glee but I’d opt for the safe bet but that’s just me.

[Pickles]

Not a rumour but...

Noticed Gilmour hasn't been given a number at Chelsea. He'd be excellent for us on loan to alternate with Cullen and Cork. Think we could do with another deeper central midfielder.

[Big Vinny K]

For sure the spending would have slowed or stopped with garlic but the cash reserves were there, 2 choices garlic in the championship with the cash reserves intact or pace with untried & untested with possibly more potential but haemorrhaging cash hand over fist, to be honest both scenarios don’t fill me with glee but I’d opt for the safe bet but that’s just me.

What the hell are you talking about ?
Garlick sold the club, took the money and ran.

You are stating the bleeding obvious that every one of us would rather we be debt free. But we ain’t….and the reason we ain’t is because Garlick sold the club.

You’re argument is at the kind of intellectual level of saying we should score more goals than we concede.

[123EasyasBFC]

For sure the spending would have slowed or stopped with garlic but the cash reserves were there, 2 choices garlic in the championship with the cash reserves intact or pace with untried & untested with possibly more potential but haemorrhaging cash hand over fist, to be honest both scenarios don’t fill me with glee but I’d opt for the safe bet but that’s just me.

Or choice 3 champ football under garlick and Dyche, 12 players leaving and no players wanting to buy into the project of trying to get Burnley back up so resigning Lennon and probs wood back on loan from Newcastle

[Jakubclaret]

What the hell are you talking about ?
Garlick sold the club, took the money and ran.

You are stating the bleeding obvious that every one of us would rather we be debt free. But we ain’t….and the reason we ain’t is because Garlick sold the club.

You’re argument is at the kind of intellectual level of saying we should score more goals than we concede.

You can only take the money when you’ve been paid he’s waiting. A debt doesn’t disappear until it’s been repaid.

[boatshed bill]

What the hell are you talking about ?
Garlick sold the club, took the money and ran.

Sold the club to someone who didn't have the money to buy it, isn't it?

[clarethomer]

No financial discussions please.

Start another thread if you want to discuss the financial side of the club.

[boatshed bill]

No financial discussions please.

Start another thread if you want to discuss the financial side of the club.

Oops.
Sorry.

[ClaretAndJew]

If you can't be excited by this project then I fear for you honestly.

This restructure seems to have just as much passion as the decade long Dych project. Vincent Kompany is a manager on the up and we will be lucky to get 3 seasons out of him. His contacts, pull and reputation far exceed anything we've ever had at Burnley. This is a time to be excited.

[Big Vinny K]

Sold the club to someone who didn't have the money to buy it, isn't it?

Spot on he did.
And he knew they didn’t have any money and were going to burden the club with debt and at the same time wipe out all our cash reserves.
And you know what…..he still went ahead and did it.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Pace needs to learn quickly how the football business works - its as simple as that.

Brighton signed Cucurelli for £16 million from Getafe last summer. One good season in the Premier League and they are selling him for more than £50 million to Chelsea or City. £34 million profit for a left-back with 12 months PL experience.

I take the point that the clause may have been added to secure the deal - but it was still a choice and it seems we are just weak when it comes to dealing with agents, clubs and players.

We 'had to' sell Nick Pope on the cheap because 'he wanted to leave' etc. Same with McNeil. Well Cucurelli wanted to go to City but Brighton have persuaded him to go to Chelsea - no doubt to their own benefit.

We now have a £12 million asset - purchased just in January - playing in the Turkish league where the risk is that his value could plummet even further.

The only decent bit of selling done this year was Collins - sold for a £9 million profit after one season.

Thankfully it appears that the recruiting side of things has been handed to Kompany and his people- and hopefully Benson turns out to be as good, if not better, than Cornet.

Worst post I’ve ever seen on a Burnley messageboard. And I’ve been on here from the start and CM from 2004.

[DCWat]

IF, and it’s very early to predict, despite a hugely promising start, we have a really good season, the value of some of these cheaply bought players is going to sky rocket.

Pace could have pulled a master stroke here, in bringing in Kompany and getting what appears to be some great value in the transfer market.

Conversely, if the season turns out to be a disaster, we’ve bugger all left to flip and it starts to look bleak.

If I had to call it right now, I’d say that the gamble might just pay off. I’m not calling it exciting times but I might just be daring to dream.

Anyway, back to transfers, who is next? It’s been a few hours now!!

[Woonderbah]

If you can't be excited by this project then I fear for you honestly.

This restructure seems to have just as much passion as the decade long Dych project. Vincent Kompany is a manager on the up and we will be lucky to get 3 seasons out of him. His contacts, pull and reputation far exceed anything we've ever had at Burnley. This is a time to be excited.

I do agree that VK is our manager until Guardiola decides to call it a day but I'm going to enjoy the ride until then

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not a rumour but...

Noticed Gilmour hasn't been given a number at Chelsea. He'd be excellent for us on loan to alternate with Cullen and Cork. Think we could do with another deeper central midfielder.

Didn't he have a crap loan spell at Norwich who utterly failed to utilise him correctly?

[ClaretAL]

Wow we just signed a potentially great player, just played some of the best football I have seen in a long time, plaudits from everywhere on how strong we look, and yet still negative ******** on here, and to think 1st home match of a new era in less than 48 hrs, god help us if we need a Turfmoor fortress if some on here are to go by.

[claretspice]

I agree but I would like to think that certain players are certain starters.

Benson, Maatsen etc… I would say are almost certain starters.

Does make you wonder where the likes of Twine will fit in (or will this season be primarily a season from the bench for him).

Maatsen looks a terrific player but I'm fully expecting rotation at full/wing back because Kompany's system demands for much of the role. Similar to Pochetino, who used to have midweek full backs and weekend full backs at Spurs. Taylor is also an excellent left back and I imagine he'll get plenty if game time.

[Stockbrokerbelt]

Mentioning Brighton as a success club you need to see their accounts for the last 5 years, their owner has said its got to start paying for its self, good luck with that….

[DCWat]

Maatsen looks a terrific player but I'm fully expecting rotation at full/wing back because Kompany's system demands for much of the role. Similar to Pochetino, who used to have midweek full backs and weekend full backs at Spurs. Taylor is also an excellent left back and I imagine he'll get plenty if game time.

Not pressured particularly, last Friday, as he will be against better opposition, but he had a great game at Huddersfield. Probably spent as much time at left back as he did at Centre half, which worked brilliantly in allowing Maatsen to push on.

Fair play to you, Spice. You called it a while ago, playing Taylor at centre half. I must admit I was a tad sceptical about that and worried when I heard the line ups. I needn’t have been.

[MrTechno]

Maatsen looks a terrific player but I'm fully expecting rotation at full/wing back because Kompany's system demands for much of the role. Similar to Pochetino, who used to have midweek full backs and weekend full backs at Spurs. Taylor is also an excellent left back and I imagine he'll get plenty if game time.

Do you not think that might be the reason we’ve got Vitinho? With perhaps CJ on the other side, slightly more tucked in? The initial viewpoint on the squad is that we’ve got a number of players, who can play a number of roles, which at first viewing seems very positive.

[Woodleyclaret]

It's all about successful scouting and recruitment
Brentford have it spot on ,buy cheap sell high and replace with further emerging talent.
We seem to be on the way with VK and his exciting signings

[TheFamilyCat]

Not going to help.

Been pointed out to JakubClaret relentlessly but here he is again.

Clearly a selfish **** who doesn’t give a flying **** about other people.

Time the clown/troll* was permanently banned.

*Delete as applicable.

[Swizzlestick]

Didn't he have a crap loan spell at Norwich who utterly failed to utilise him correctly?

His attitude and application were heavily questioned by their fans. The fact he hasn’t been given a squad number at CFC appears to back it up. He may be worth a punt but he’s certainly lost his way.

[Jakubclaret]

Time the clown/troll* was permanently banned.

*Delete as applicable.

That’s not very nice a lot of time conversation steers off into that direction unintentionally you might start off somewhere innocently 10 posts later you end up talking about it, I’m no troll I support the club.