Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Dougall]

Not quite done yet. Anyone want to buy last years white away shirt with Cornet 20 on it though?

Mentioned earlier in this thread...what a shame for that little lad who appeared in a video a few weeks ago.
He was delighted to meet Cornet and loved his shirt!!

[ksrclaret]

Thankfully it appears that the recruiting side of things has been handed to Kompany and his people- and hopefully Benson turns out to be as good, if not better, than Cornet.

That definitely seems to have been the case so far this summer, and we'll be much the better for it. The likes of Cullen, Muric, Bastien, Harwood-Bellis, Egan-Riley, Vitinho, and Benson are almost certainly from Kompany's personal knowledge and contacts.

It's been strongly alluded to that Dyche lost control of recruitment here, which happened to coincide with his poorest 18 months with us.

[Jakubclaret]

You mean he was never going to get the 1 or 2 goals which would have kept us up Captain Hindsight ?

“Afterthought” which I countered suggested 1 or the other & not both & WW as some sort of a contingency signing.

[Gordaleman]

Mentioned earlier in this thread...what a shame for that little lad who appeared in a video a few weeks ago.
He was delighted to meet Cornet and loved his shirt!!

Shame for everyone really. Cornet was a breath of fresh air and every one of his goals were crackers. Not seen many strikers over the years that could hit volleys like him. I think he'll be a star at Wet Spam.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Pace needs to learn quickly how the football business works - its as simple as that.

Brighton signed Cucurelli for £16 million from Getafe last summer. One good season in the Premier League and they are selling him for more than £50 million to Chelsea or City. £34 million profit for a left-back with 12 months PL experience.

I take the point that the clause may have been added to secure the deal - but it was still a choice and it seems we are just weak when it comes to dealing with agents, clubs and players.

We 'had to' sell Nick Pope on the cheap because 'he wanted to leave' etc. Same with McNeil. Well Cucurelli wanted to go to City but Brighton have persuaded him to go to Chelsea - no doubt to their own benefit.

We now have a £12 million asset - purchased just in January - playing in the Turkish league where the risk is that his value could plummet even further.

The only decent bit of selling done this year was Collins - sold for a £9 million profit after one season.

Thankfully it appears that the recruiting side of things has been handed to Kompany and his people- and hopefully Benson turns out to be as good, if not better, than Cornet.

Pace knows how the football business works, it isn't his first foray into it and he's got other people still at the club who know about it.

Pope - world cup year, one year left on his contract...
McNeil - £20 million (plus add-ons?) was good money for a player who's been misfiring for a while..

Collins - good money again, could rise further with add-ons I think.

WW - shifting him out on loan was a good deal, his heart wasn't going to be in it, so no big deal.

Kompany tells the club who he wants, they go get what they can.
Kompany isn't negotiating the cost or contracts that's still going to be the people at the club.

Kompany is literally here to manage the first team, he won't be involved in much else and rightly so.

I know you like to have regular rants at/about the club/Pace....

As for what Brighton got for their lad, he was still under contract for a few years yet so of course they got good money for him.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That definitely seems to have been the case so far this summer, and we'll be much the better for it. The likes of Cullen, Muric, Bastien, Harwood-Bellis, Egan-Riley, Vitinho, and Benson are almost certainly from Kompany's personal knowledge and contacts.

It's been strongly alluded to that Dyche lost control of recruitment here, which happened to coincide with his poorest 18 months with us.

He won't be dealing with fees or contracts though, that's still the aforementioned club

[Zlatan]

Probably an unpopular opinion but whilst I like Maxwel as a person (I mean who wouldn’t!) I didn’t think he was a good fit for us at all. He is best placed at a bigger club who won’t totally rely upon his contribution like we did. Had he stayed with us I felt that he would go stale very quickly and just not perform - just a hunch of course.

I really hope he does well at the Hammers and so happy he’s not gone to Everton

[Gordaleman]

Pace knows how the football business works, it isn't his first foray into it and he's got other people still at the club who know about it.

Pope - world cup year, one year left on his contract...
McNeil - £20 million (plus add-ons?) was good money for a player who's been misfiring for a while..

Collins - good money again, could rise further with add-ons I think.

WW - shifting him out on loan was a good deal, his heart wasn't going to be in it, so no big deal.

Kompany tells the club who he wants, they go get what they can.
Kompany isn't negotiating the cost or contracts that's still going to be the people at the club.

Kompany is literally here to manage the first team, he won't be involved in much else and rightly so.

I know you like to have regular rants at/about the club/Pace....

As for what Brighton got for their lad, he was still under contract for a few years yet so of course they got good money for him.

Your right Pace knows more about football than some people think. Too many people on here seem to have it in for Pace and ALK and I really don't know why. In my opinion they have done very well, so far. Without drawing up a list, they have brought in some really good players in the short time they have been in charge and just missed out on a couple of others as well, notably Orsic. it looks like they are continuing to facilitate incoming deals as well, so let's have less of the knocking please. Let's just get behind the whole club and look forward to what is surely going to be a very exciting season.

Oh, and Pace also brought in VK who everyone seems to think is a very smart move.

C'mon you Clarets.

[forzagranata]

Pace knows how the football business works, it isn't his first foray into it and he's got other people still at the club who know about it.

Pope - world cup year, one year left on his contract...
McNeil - £20 million (plus add-ons?) was good money for a player who's been misfiring for a while..

Collins - good money again, could rise further with add-ons I think.

WW - shifting him out on loan was a good deal, his heart wasn't going to be in it, so no big deal.

Kompany tells the club who he wants, they go get what they can.
Kompany isn't negotiating the cost or contracts that's still going to be the people at the club.

Kompany is literally here to manage the first team, he won't be involved in much else and rightly so.

I know you like to have regular rants at/about the club/Pace....

As for what Brighton got for their lad, he was still under contract for a few years yet so of course they got good money for him.

That's pretty weak to be honest. The arguments over the individual deals have been done to death so I'll not bother with another explanation of why Pope was sold massively under market value and arguably McNeil too. Anyway....

Pace does not know how the football transfer business works - and he has never worked in it before. There is no transfer market, as we know it, in Major League Soccer.

However I am sure you are right that Kompany and his people will not be doing the contracts for the players - we can only hope that Cullen doesn't have an £7 million release clause in his deal....

[Big Vinny K]

“Afterthought” which I countered suggested 1 or the other & not both & WW as some sort of a contingency signing.

Clueless
Absolutely clueless.

[ksrclaret]

He won't be dealing with fees or contracts though, that's still the aforementioned club

And that's exactly as it should work.

[Vegas Claret]

Benson confirmed by the club

[Vegas Claret]

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... UATXmpIY7Q

[Newcastleclaret93]

Another excellent video

[Gordaleman]

Benson confirmed by the club

Nothing on the club web page. Where have you heard this?

[Jakubclaret]

Clueless
Absolutely clueless.

Indeed the signing which didn’t happen & the 1 that did which was disastrous, anymore success stories of APs forays into the transfer market you care to share?

[NickBFC]

Nothing on the club web page. Where have you heard this?

Twitter video

[claretandy]

I'm hoping for Basil Fawlty shouting "Manuel !, Manuel" and Benson appearing !

Called it !

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... FPdSUh5gMQ

[Gordaleman]

Twitter video

Seen it now. Brilliant. Someone suggested this the other day. (Inside knowledge?) Well done Claret Andy.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Interesting this could pip my claim for signing of the summer.

I’m still sticking with Maatsen but I think this lad could be a close second

[RVclaret]

Interesting this could pip my claim for signing of the summer.

I’m still sticking with Maatsen but I think this lad could be a close second

Very exciting signing

He reminds me a bit of Knockaert, who dominated at this level for a good few years

[boatshed bill]

Very funny.

[ksrclaret]

Interesting this could pip my claim for signing of the summer.

I’m still sticking with Maatsen but I think this lad could be a close second

Crikey, I don't know if I'm coming or going with this lad.

KRBFC says he's absolute shite, and you say he could be signing of the summer (which would be some statement given how good some of the others look so far).

Let's hope you're the one who is closest.

[Lancasterclaret]

One that the kids of today will completely not get

Already looking forward to explain to my kids how good Fawlty Towers was

[Newcastleclaret93]

Very exciting signing

He reminds me a bit of Knockaert, who dominated at this level for a good few years

I tend to agree but I think this lad appears quite a bit quicker than him.

Kompany has a real dilemma on his hands now. Who does he start?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

That's pretty weak to be honest. The arguments over the individual deals have been done to death so I'll not bother with another explanation of why Pope was sold massively under market value and arguably McNeil too. Anyway....

Pace does not know how the football transfer business works - and he has never worked in it before. There is no transfer market, as we know it, in Major League Soccer.

However I am sure you are right that Kompany and his people will not be doing the contracts for the players - we can only hope that Cullen doesn't have an £7 million release clause in his deal....

Football is a business, he's a businessman, he got a handle on transfers quite quickly as shown back in January etc.

You don't want to discuss it because you know I'm right.

Look, we had players who wanted to go, we got reasonable deals for them and we've signed a raft of new, younger and exciting players to replace them.
Age of the squad has fallen, which was much needed, we're utilising the foreign market like never before and you should really be crediting a lot of this to Pace because Garlick etc wouldn't have it.

You won't though, you're not interested in that and that's been clear for a while.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

One that the kids of today will completely not get

Already looking forward to explain to my kids how good Fawlty Towers was

My kids love a bit of Fawlty Towers!

Hopefully we’ve a striker lined up next.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Crikey, I don't know if I'm coming or going with this lad.

KRBFC says he's absolute shite, and you say he could be signing of the summer (which would be some statement given how good some of the others look so far).

Let's hope you're the one who is closest.

To be fair, KRBFC rated WW before we signed him, so I wouldn't trust his judgement

[forzagranata]

Your right Pace knows more about football than some people think. Too many people on here seem to have it in for Pace and ALK and I really don't know why. In my opinion they have done very well, so far. Without drawing up a list, they have brought in some really good players in the short time they have been in charge and just missed out on a couple of others as well, notably Orsic. it looks like they are continuing to facilitate incoming deals as well, so let's have less of the knocking please. Let's just get behind the whole club and look forward to what is surely going to be a very exciting season.

Oh, and Pace also brought in VK who everyone seems to think is a very smart move.

C'mon you Clarets.

VK has brought in some really good players and Pace deserves credit for persuading VK to take the job and then allowing him to lead the recruitment.

Hopefully Pace stays in his lane and concentrates on sorting out the debt he has created and let's Kompany get on with building an exciting and successful team.

[RVclaret]

I tend to agree but I think this lad appears quite a bit quicker than him.

Kompany has a real dilemma on his hands now. Who does he start?

Looks very quick yes.

I guess it depends on the opposition and which tweaks he makes to the main tactic.

But also he’s alluded to needing a big squad to cope with the 46 game season so there is bound to be plenty of rotation, injuries / suspensions etc.

[ClaretAndJew]

With Cornet seemingly going to West Ham (a fantastic move for him by the way) we will no doubt be bringing a couple of more players in (O'Hare?).

[NewClaret]

Pace needs to learn quickly how the football business works - its as simple as that.

Couple of points about this:

1. As disappointed as I am with some of the fees secured this summer, the example you cite is not a good comparison because Brighton are a PL club, meaning they’re in a much better negotiating position full stop.

2. The sense I got was that we were a very unattractive prospect for players under Dyche, so recruitment was tough. Who would really want to play in that low block, fairly turgid system. Pace, I think, started trying to change that. Maybe so Dyche had the assets to change his style. My point being, at the start of that process you’re going to find yourself in a weaker negotiating position with top attacking talent than when you’re part way through or well progressed in that journey. I dare say if we go up, we’d be in a better negotiating position than previously due to Kompany and style.

3. Pace has said he’s made mistakes and would’ve done some things differently if he had his time again. Imagine he’ll reflect on this summer and add relegation release clauses to the list.

Having said all that, Pace has arguably played a key role in reshaping an ageing squad in to a very talented, young squad over the course of one summer. That suggests he understands “how the football business works” to me.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looks very quick yes.

I guess it depends on the opposition and which tweaks he makes to the main tactic.

But also he’s alluded to needing a big squad to cope with the 46 game season so there is bound to be plenty of rotation, injuries / suspensions etc.

I agree but I would like to think that certain players are certain starters.

Benson, Maatsen etc… I would say are almost certain starters.

Does make you wonder where the likes of Twine will fit in (or will this season be primarily a season from the bench for him).

[RVclaret]

With Cornet seemingly going to West Ham (a fantastic move for him by the way) we will no doubt be bringing a couple of more players in (O'Hare?).

Seems O’Hare’s injury is relatively serious and is out for a few months. So that would rule him out this window I’d imagine.

[NewClaret]

My kids love a bit of Fawlty Towers!

Hopefully we’ve a striker lined up next.

Mine too. Laugh their heads off at it with me.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I agree but I would like to think that certain players are certain starters.

Benson, Maatsen etc… I would say are almost certain starters.

Does make you wonder where the likes of Twine will fit in (or will this season be primarily a season from the bench for him).

I'm hoping Kompany will be more about earning a spot and also losing a spot if not performing, because we all know that at times some players kept a place in the first team even when in poor form.

[RVclaret]

I agree but I would like to think that certain players are certain starters.

Benson, Maatsen etc… I would say are almost certain starters.

Does make you wonder where the likes of Twine will fit in (or will this season be primarily a season from the bench for him).

Think Twine will work his way slowly into the spot Bastien is in. With Bastien rotating with Cork or Twine in midfield. So many options for flexibility, it’s great.

[NewClaret]

Another excellent video

Really funny

They’re on fire

[Lancasterclaret]

Its very early days, but considering relegation and the financial situation we are in, its a pretty impressive summer of recruitment

I'm not one of these who thought any of the players we have sold had a cat in hells chance of staying (because they are all decent premier league players) so I don't think the fees we've received have been anywhere near as bad as people are making out

[ClaretAndJew]

The players we've brought in for the prices we've sold our players at is nothing short of fantastic business.

It's servicing the debt whilst giving us a real chance of promotion. VK sounds like a revelation. If you were to write the perfect way to restructure a team whilst also cutting your cloth accordingly this is almost a perfect way to do it.

[Colburn_Claret]

I tend to agree but I think this lad appears quite a bit quicker than him.

Kompany has a real dilemma on his hands now. Who does he start?

I'm sure that's what VK intended

[claretandy]

Nixon says we want 4 as well as Benson

Centre Half
Winger
Number 10
Striker.

If we get 3 out of the 4 of similar quality it will be a fantastic window.

[forzagranata]

Pace has arguably played a key role in reshaping an ageing squad in to a very talented, young squad over the course of one summer. That suggests he understands “how the football business works” to me.

It seems to me that Pace has realised that Kompany knows better than him how to find good value in the transfer market - particularly the Belgian market and the Manchester City market. So rather than Pace making panic signings like Weghorst or flying out to Croatia to try to get a player to sign, he is now leaving it to a football person.

There does not appear to be any Artificial Intelligence involved in our recruitment nor is it being solely 'data led' but Kompany is being trusted to use his knowledge and contacts to find good value players that can help us build a better team.

Pace deserves credit for realising his own weaknesses and trusting his staff. Its good news and long may it continue.

[FCBurnley]

Thought VK was excellent at his presser this morning. Thoughtful positive and straight talking ! Seems to know exactly what he wants

[claretandy]

Nixon says we want 4 as well as Benson

Centre Half
Winger
Number 10
Striker.

If we get 3 out of the 4 of similar quality it will be a fantastic window.

I'd say the priority order is:

1 Striker
2 Number 10
3 Centre-Half
4 Winger.

[Colburn_Claret]

Its very early days, but considering relegation and the financial situation we are in, its a pretty impressive summer of recruitment

I'm not one of these who thought any of the players we have sold had a cat in hells chance of staying (because they are all decent premier league players) so I don't think the fees we've received have been anywhere near as bad as people are making out

Agreed, and some people are quick to forget that without the sales we wouldn't have had the recruitment, and we definitely needed the recruitment. The squad was too old, and not flexible enough. An extra year and the squad would have been even older, and worth even less.

Relegation did us a favour, despite the pain, and I'm convinced that in 5 years time everyone will look back and think the same.

[Taffy on the wing]

That's pretty weak to be honest. The arguments over the individual deals have been done to death so I'll not bother with another explanation of why Pope was sold massively under market value and arguably McNeil too. Anyway....

Pace does not know how the football transfer business works - and he has never worked in it before. There is no transfer market, as we know it, in Major League Soccer.

However I am sure you are right that Kompany and his people will not be doing the contracts for the players - we can only hope that Cullen doesn't have an £7 million release clause in his deal....

GIVE IT A REST...........FFS!

[DCWat]

Seems O’Hare’s injury is relatively serious and is out for a few months. So that would rule him out this window I’d imagine.

Where have you got that from? Latest I’ve seen is that they’re not sure yet as they need to wait for the scan.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/mark- ... 7n8oWM&amp

[RVclaret]

Where have you got that from? Latest I’ve seen is that they’re not sure yet as they need to wait for the scan.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/mark- ... 7n8oWM&amp

Tbf I just took it from some Coventry fan podcast account on twitter, seems like that’s the rumour

Nixon also reckons we are moving to new targets in the 10 due to O’Hare’s injury

[Jakubs Tash]

Very exciting signing

He reminds me a bit of Knockaert, who dominated at this level for a good few years

I would suggest more Riyad Mahrez than Knockaert. Everyone knows that 9/10 he coming inside but stopping him is another matter.

And of course, VK played with Mahrez so knows how effective he was/is for Man City.