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by Poulton-le-Claret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:14 pm
Am I reading into the language here 'first team assistant
coach' not assistant manager.
Does that mean we will be appointing a 'head coach' instead of a 'manager'? Indicating Pace might be taking back a bit of control. Possibly leaving room to appoint a director of football?
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by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:15 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:12 pm
Fully agree. Only thing that makes sense here is that it’s Bellamy and this Jensen is the assistant.
If it was Bellamy why would reports of other managers being of interest and interviews take place, Bellamy would just be announced no?
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by PremierLeagueClass » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:15 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:12 pm
Fully agree. Only thing that makes sense here is that it’s Bellamy and this Jensen is the assistant.
That would be my take also. I hope we know what we’re doing.
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by daveisaclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm
Surely "a first team assistant coach" is not the same as "assistant head coach" which is Jackson's current acting role?
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by Pickles » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm
It's looking like Bellamy which is a bit underwhelming.
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by Holtyclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm
Is he not just a replacement for one of the two coaches that left with vk?
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by Casper2 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:18 pm
BleedingClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:40 pm
As long as it’s not Southgate
Or Bellamy
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:18 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:15 pm
If it was Bellamy why would reports of other managers being of interest and interviews take place, Bellamy would just be announced no?
Could be just wanting to make sure all final interviews are complete but I take your point.
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by nil_desperandum » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:19 pm
burnley007 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:06 pm
Has an assistant EVER been employed before a manager before???
I doubt that that has happened in this case.
They have probably been unable to suppress this story any longer.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:19 pm
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:17 pm
Surely "a first team assistant coach" is not the same as "assistant head coach" which is Jackson's current acting role?
Also an interesting point. But you’d think he’s not leaving as a manager to just be a bog standard coach?
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by edison » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:22 pm
Assistant to the first team coach?
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by nil_desperandum » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:23 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:12 pm
Fully agree. Only thing that makes sense here is that it’s Bellamy and this Jensen is the assistant.
Surely quite the opposite?
There's absolutely nothing to have stopped us from announcing Bellamy by now along with Jensen since he is already here.
My logical assumption is that it has to be someone else who can't be announced as yet, maybe due to involvement in Euros or due to continuing negotiations with his current club.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:24 pm
nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:23 pm
Surely quite the opposite?
There's absolutely nothing to have stopped us from announcing Bellamy by now along with Jensen since he is already here.
My logical assumption is that it has to be someone else who can't be announced as yet, maybe due to involvement in Euros or due to continuing negotiations with his current club.
Fair points.
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by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:25 pm
We’re all speculating but none of us have any idea what this appointment means.
All we know for sure is that it’s a bloody strange way of doing things and it leaves an uneasy feeling.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:26 pm
BE reporter saying it’s not linked to the Head Coach appointment, also adding:
‘Looks like the club are moving away from a manager towards a head coach model, meaning some backroom staff stay at the club irrespective of who the number one is.
I'm sure the new man will get some of their own people in but it makes sense to have consistency.‘
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by HahaYeah » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:28 pm
Van Nistelrooy had issues with his staff at PSV so happen he could use the staff provided by the club.
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by eastcoastclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:29 pm
If the club are settled on a style of play that they want to keep, having an experienced coaching team who are a constant whoever the manager is makes perfect sense. The cost of hiring an entire set of coaches, then potentially having to pay them off when you sack the manager must be hugely expensive and unsettling for the team and club. If this is what they are doing, then i would be all for it.
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by Pearcey » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:29 pm
I’m also starting to think it’s Bellamy. Not great.
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by TPClaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:33 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:26 pm
BE reporter saying it’s not linked to the Head Coach appointment, also adding:
‘Looks like the club are moving away from a manager towards a head coach model, meaning some backroom staff stay at the club irrespective of who the number one is.
I'm sure the new man will get some of their own people in but it makes sense to have consistency.‘
And how would he know
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by HahaYeah » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:37 pm
To have the most consistency possible it would make the most sense to employ Bellamy.
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by Holtyclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:38 pm
I thought it seemed we were going down the head coach route rather than managers who come with an entourage? Here’s a bit of overthinking for you….
Pacio : hey bello lad (Bellamy) how’s the plans for pre season training going?
Bello : great Alan, just a little short of hands after A and B effed off with vk.
Pacio : leave it with me, I’ll find a good experienced and hungry coach who is adaptable and hardworking
Bello : you da best Pacio
This won’t be the new managers no. 2
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by xxmunkyennuixx » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:38 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:37 pm
To have the most consistency possible it would make the most sense to employ Bellamy.
Except for the fact that he's not a manager and we need promotion.
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by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:39 pm
I think that Pace doesn't want to be caught with his pants around his ankles again, so he's taking as much precaution as possible in ensuring the football operation isn't tied to one individual.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:42 pm
TPClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:33 pm
And how would he know
I’m sure he’s at least got some idea with the odd contact at the club. But failing that, just a different perspective.
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by KlyBfc » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:45 pm
I don’t see it being Bellamy. I don’t see this guy giving up managing to become assistant to someone with less experience as him.
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by Durban » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
RvN to be confirmed this week I believe. Was flown in courtesy of JJ’s jet and has met some of the players already.
Source, a relation of a player.
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by It Is What It Is » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
Bellamy has total respect in the dressing room from what I've read here and there which is a MASSIVE plus.
Big names but big outsider chance managers mentioned who don't even know where Burnley is without GPS.
What really is so bad about Bellamy and Jackson till at least Christmas. We didn't have the greatest of starts in our Championship winning season...draw after draw after draw.
Most of the " big name" chance managers will still be available anyway in Jan 2025
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by HahaYeah » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
xxmunkyennuixx wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:38 pm
Except for the fact that he's not a manager and we need promotion.
He was half of the partnership that
mullered the division.
Happen he could be best placed to repeat the process. He's seen it all first hand.
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by Mattster » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:47 pm
Unrelated to the Jensen appointment, Southgate is giving us a timely taste of what we could expect of watching Burnley if we appointed Parker.
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by HahaYeah » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:49 pm
Durban wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
RvN to be confirmed this week I believe. Was flown in courtesy of JJ’s jet and has met some of the players already.
Source, a relation of a player.
I can see this being the most likely outcome. Nistelrooy has the big name WOW factor.
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by NewClaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:52 pm
Durban wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
RvN to be confirmed this week I believe. Was flown in courtesy of JJ’s jet and has met some of the players already.
Source, a relation of a player.
Really hope this is true.
JJ has a jet?
We need to know its call sign or number or whatever so we can track it everywhere!
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by Goliath » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:54 pm
The problem Ruud or whoever it is will have is the owners don't understand football so they will expect us to repeat the Kompany Champ season.
They will just sack the manager if we aren't up there straight away rightly or wrongly
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by Vegas Claret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:55 pm
Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:14 pm
Am I reading into the language here 'first team assistant
coach' not assistant manager.
Does that mean we will be appointing a 'head coach' instead of a 'manager'? Indicating Pace might be taking back a bit of control. Possibly leaving room to appoint a director of football?
That's what I think will happen
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by BB4Claret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:55 pm
Suntan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:45 pm
If you believe social media we've whittled the list down to 3 candidates; Corberan, RVN & an unnamed foreign manager.
And I think there's a reason why one of them is still unknown
JDT ??????

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by Vegas Claret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:19 pm
Also an interesting point. But you’d think he’s not leaving as a manager to just be a bog standard coach?
he might be getting paid way more as a coach for us than as a manager in Sweden
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by xxmunkyennuixx » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
He was half of the partnership that
mullered the division.
Happen he could be best placed to repeat the process. He's seen it all first hand.
Looking at Vinny's ego, there was one person determining style of play, signings etc and it wasn't Bellamy. We know Jackson is limited from his time as caretaker. Would keep Bellamy around but he's not a manager. Appointing him just smacks of little old Burnley mentality. I don't think it is Bellamy anyway.
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by Casper2 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
Durban wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
RvN to be confirmed this week I believe. Was flown in courtesy of JJ’s jet and has met some of the players already.
Source, a relation of a player.
Players are still on holiday, no ?
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by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
Row Z wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:08 pm
101 points Kompany crap?
I agree this season has been about Kompany’s ego and in doing so he cost us our premier league place, but last season was the best in my memory for turning up to each game expecting to see all the ball and score goals. The belief in the fans even when we went 1 down was so strong that we’d score 3/4.
You’ve answered it. No matter what happened in 2022/23, last season was a complete shambles that has cost our club badly.
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by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:57 pm
Casper2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
Players are still on holiday, no ?
Yes. Back next week.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:57 pm
Mattster wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:47 pm
Unrelated to the Jensen appointment, Southgate is giving us a timely taste of what we could expect of watching Burnley if we appointed Parker.
Ha you are spot on there, very similar.
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by Goliath » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:59 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:57 pm
Yes. Back next week.
I imagine we will have a manager in the next 7 days then.
Not having one for the start of pre season would be shambolic imo. Would give off a terrible impression to the players.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:00 pm
Durban wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
RvN to be confirmed this week I believe. Was flown in courtesy of JJ’s jet and has met some of the players already.
Source, a relation of a player.
How cost effective is it to get JJs jet from USA to fly to Netherlands to pick RVN up to fly him to Manchester when they could just hire a private Jett from either Manchester or the Netherlands to bring him.
Players aren’t back in till Monday
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by Durban » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:01 pm
Casper2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
Players are still on holiday, no ?
‘Some’ of the players.
I accept that some will be on holiday.
I believe it would be relatively common to meet the players as soon as is possible.
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by nil_desperandum » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:02 pm
Casper2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:56 pm
Players are still on holiday, no ?
Hence the poster said "met
some of the players". Some will presumably be around.
(Not that this makes the other poster necessarily correct.It just means it's possible.)
Edit:as Durban said above!!! (Beat me to it!)
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by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:05 pm
Durban wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:01 pm
‘Some’ of the players.
I accept that some will be on holiday.
I believe it would be relatively common to meet the players as soon as is possible.
Can’t understand why they would need to use JJs jet from USA when the Netherlands is literally an hour and half away
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by AmbleClaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:05 pm
Durban wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:46 pm
RvN to be confirmed this week I believe. Was flown in courtesy of JJ’s jet and has met some of the players already.
Source, a relation of a player.
Definitely this,players ex wife's son in law also confirmed 3 months block booking at Kierby,nightly curries delivered from Usha and apparently he's going to do a striptease at 22.00 every Thursday in the Royal Dyche.
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by RVclaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:06 pm
Must admit JJ’s jet flying from Texas to Holland just to deliver RVN to Manchester on a 1 hour flight, which he could just get any other private flight for, is causing my mind to play some mental gymnastics.
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by NewClaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:08 pm
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:49 pm
I can see this being the most likely outcome. Nistelrooy has the big name WOW factor.
Nobody can predict how this would work out. Same with Kompany though and to be honest nearly all the candidates were linked with. Only Parker, and arguably Bellamy, has the experience of getting a club promoted from the Championship.
That said I’m extremely excited about Ruud. He talks a very good game and has played for two of the biggest clubs in the world. Having played for United (bigger than City) and Madrid (biggest club in the world) and managed PSV (bigger than Anderlecht) he’s a far bigger profile than Kompany. Just can’t actually believe we might be painting murals of him and have that kind of connection with a great player.
After Dyche, who has gone on to prove himself as a top premier league manager, to have Kompany and then RVN as our managers is incredible and should really help build the profile and attractiveness of the club in my view. Obviously what is delivered on the pitch is most important but if we can marry the two and get back to the Premiere League again with him at the helm it’s an exciting prospect again.
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by NewClaret » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:08 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:06 pm
Must admit JJ’s jet flying from Texas to Holland just to deliver RVN to Manchester on a 1 hour flight, which he could just get any other private flight for, is causing my mind to play some mental gymnastics.
Haha. But let’s roll with it

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by burnley007 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:09 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 8:06 pm
Must admit JJ’s jet flying from Texas to Holland just to deliver RVN to Manchester on a 1 hour flight, which he could just get any other private flight for, is causing my mind to play some mental gymnastics.
Is JJ definitely in the US?