Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[burnley007]

This window so far suggests to me that our financial situation isn't too bad.
We will make sales, but under our terms.

Looks promising atm.

[Big Vinny K]

This window so far suggests to me that our financial situation isn't too bad.
We will make sales, but under our terms.

Looks promising atm.

I’d maybe wait till the end of the window before being too confident.

Personally I think our financial situation is more precarious than it has been for 15 years when but for promotion we were staring administration in the face.

[Goody1975]

I’d maybe wait till the end of the window before being too confident.

Personally I think our financial situation is more precarious than it has been for 15 years when but for promotion we were staring administration in the face.

Based on what?

Gut feeling or facts?

[Big Vinny K]

Based on what?

Gut feeling or facts?

Now or 15 years ago ?

Both btw….but that debate is better on the financial threads where I have posted my views previously.

[Goody1975]

Now or 15 years ago ?

Both btw

Obviously now

[mdd2]

We currently have a squad of 37 senior players and quite a few of them will not see first team football next season for Burnley

There has to be more outgoings

Its 32 +5 under 21 who can play and not part of the 25, so we need a trim by 7 or 6 as Weggy will go. The number rises if we bring in other players.

[Burnley Ace]

Ipswich looking at Odobert (Pete O'Rouke)

Does he want 2 back to back relegations?

[morninbob]

No interest from fenerbache now according to this
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/28/clu ... en/653854/

[Goody1975]

No interest from fenerbache now according to this
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/28/clu ... en/653854/

The only chance (imo) that Berge leaves for Turkey, is if he goes on a similar deal to Weghorst, where they cover his wages and we get a loan fee.

[Murger]

Berge won’t leave unless it’s to a mid-level prem team. I just can’t see any European heavyweights coming in for him.

[123EasyasBFC]

No interest from fenerbache now according to this
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/28/clu ... en/653854/

The reports just show what the Turkish media are like

[mybloodisclaret]

They could try and snap him up before the end of the window. Journos realise that there is a fee and an agreement necessary from Burnley first and he isn't a free agent don't they?

[ArmchairDetective]

Would be very glad and impressed to see us keep hold of Berge. He doesn't belong in this league for me and surprised he's found himself playing so often at this level. Previously linked with Liverpool. He should have his sights on a top tier somewhere but never could quite see him going to Fenerbache.

[BigGaz]

Amdouni certainly is a strange player.
Personally I thought he was one of the biggest disappointments last season. Plenty of players clearly had poor seasons but at least some of them showed signs of improvement as the season progressed.

Amdouni for me got worse - some of this might have been the impact on his confidence of being benched but from what I have seen I think a lot of it is his attitude and decision making. I think he makes bad decisions in the wrong part of the pitch. He comes deep a lot looking for the ball - which is fine if you are going to drag opposition players out of position, help break lines, keep possession etc. But so many time he would come deep and either over run the ball (he does this a lot) or try a one touch flick or beat one man and then lose it trying to beat another etc etc.

He must have potential - you don’t get in a successful international team like Switzerland wiithout being good. But the recent Euros sums him up. First game looks decent. Next 2 or 3 games comes on as sub and contributes zero and he’s over running the ball, first touch is awful, running into his own team mates. He then came on against England and looked really good !!

My hope is that the new manager and coaches can get the best out of him and get him to focus on his movement and where on the pitch he can take risks and where on the pitch he can’t. He’s got 2 good feet and we have seen how well he can strike a ball so for me he needs to be running off the striker and also getting himself into the box far more where he can shoot or make chances for other players. From what I have seen for him for Burnley and for Switzerland the deeper he comes the worse he looks and I’m sceptical whether he can improve enough in those areas you need to be that kind of player.

Good points Vinny.

I've been a fairly fierce critic of his but he annoys me precisely because you can tell he's supremely gifted and I don't want us or him to look back with regrets.

His decision making for me is his biggest weakness and if someone can get a grip of him and help him get on top of it I think he could be our biggest (and unfortunately most saleable) asset.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Good points Vinny.

I've been a fairly fierce critic of his but he annoys me precisely because you can tell he's supremely gifted and I don't want us or him to look back with regrets.

His decision making for me is his biggest weakness and if someone can get a grip of him and help him get on top of it I think he could be our biggest (and unfortunately most saleable) asset.

Yes to the decision making, last season he passed when he should have carried, and carried when he should have passed . He also tried Hollywood flicks when he should have held the ball up in ridiculous areas of the pitch. At times he took 3-4 players out of the game with some fantastic footwork, drove at the defence and then the final ball was woeful. With a bit of guidance he could be special. However I feel his lack of drive will be the determining factor in this, his work rate simply has to increase

[Boss Hogg]

The only chance (imo) that Berge leaves for Turkey, is if he goes on a similar deal to Weghorst, where they cover his wages and we get a loan fee.

Can’t see what the point of this would be.

[jojomk1]

Its 32 +5 under 21 who can play and not part of the 25, so we need a trim by 7 or 6 as Weggy will go. The number rises if we bring in other players.

It's 37 players to whom we are paying a wage whatever their age

That is way too many from a financial point of view

[burnmark]

Brereton Diaz to Southampton- £7m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... vxq102e2po

Rather them than us!

[BigGaz]

It's 37 players to whom we are paying a wage whatever their age

That is way too many from a financial point of view

I'd be interested to know what our outgoings wagewise were for last season/up to now. I suppose we won't know till midway next year but id be willing to bet our squad of 35ish will be being paid less collectively than our 23/24 man squad at the peak of Dycheball.

Immaterial either way as this squad size is out of control and needs resolving but be interesting to know.

[boyyanno]

Brereton Diaz to Southampton- £7m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... vxq102e2po

Rather them than us!

He scored more goals than anyone bar JBL in our team last year and only played in 14 games.

For 7m it doesn't seem a bad buy to be honest.

[Big Vinny K]

I'd be interested to know what our outgoings wagewise were for last season/up to now. I suppose we won't know till midway next year but id be willing to bet our squad of 35ish will be being paid less collectively than our 23/24 man squad at the peak of Dycheball.

Immaterial either way as this squad size is out of control and needs resolving but be interesting to know.

I’d estimate between £70m and £75m for the wage bill - which compares to over £90m at the peak under SD.

However, in isolation the figures are a bit meaningless. When our wage peaked at £92m under SD the transfer spend that was hitting our P & L was nowhere near what it will be at the moment (my estimate is it will be between £25m and £30m a year for the next 4 years if we don’t sell any players).

And on top of this you also need to take into account all the other major expenditure and revenue lines where there could be significant differences between now and under SD. For example the £10m plus we could be paying now on loan interest and other finance charges (from factoring etc).

As you said it will a lot clearer when we see the next year end accounts

[Goody1975]

Can’t see what the point of this would be.

What do you need to know?

I said the only way he goes to Turkey (not leaves the club) is if a deal is structured like it was for Weghorst.

Turkish clubs can't afford his transfer fee and only if Berge has something in his contract/is determined to leave will we let him go there. It would be the only way he ends up there.

Do I think he's going to Turkey? No

The reports in the press are fanciful.

[bobinho]

Can’t see what the point of this would be.

He plays at an arguably higher level for a season. We don’t sell him, and hopefully he comes back to play in the PL next year with us. We get a little cash and an earner off the wage bill for a season.

Will it happen? Prob not, hope not - I’d love him to stay, should be a big player in the championship.

[FeedTheArf]

Brereton Diaz to Southampton- £7m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... vxq102e2po

Rather them than us!

£7m for a player who scored 6 in 14 starts in a terrible team sounds like exactly the business we should have been doing last summer instead of spunking £15m on the likes of Amdouni and Tresor.

[burnmark]

£7m for a player who scored 6 in 14 starts in a terrible team sounds like exactly the business we should have been doing last summer instead of spunking £15m on the likes of Amdouni and Tresor.

No thanks. Seemed to dine out on a decent season at Blackburn and got his move to Spain which has amounted to nothing. Poor when I’ve seen him in the flesh and on TV. To be fair, I didn’t realised he’d scored that amount of goals in his loan spell but I predict he won’t get that many in the whole of next season.

Tresor, I give you but I still feel Amdouni will come good for us if we don’t sell.

[123EasyasBFC]

https://x.com/dlrbrts/status/1817815779 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

Not a rumour but just Stan complaining about CT and his ‘mob’ for leaking Michael Stewart coming on loan which meant he ended up going forest instead, not sure how a fan forum affects any transfer but just found the interview funny

[warksclaret]

My perception of Diaz when he joined Sheffield United was one of an average striker. However having seen some of the goals he scored for them and his running to really stretch good PL defenders was impressive and some of his goals were from these runs. Would not write him off-£7m in terms of PL strikers buys you sweet FA. We paid half of that for Obefemi. Need I say more

[PremierLeagueClass]

https://x.com/dlrbrts/status/1817815779 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

Not a rumour but just Stan complaining about CT and his ‘mob’ for leaking Michael Stewart coming on loan which meant he ended up going forest instead, not sure how a fan forum affects any transfer but just found the interview funny

Crazy how times have changed since then. I wonder what Stan would have made of the Fabrizio Romano age we now live in.

[Quickenthetempo]

£7m for a player who scored 6 in 14 starts in a terrible team sounds like exactly the business we should have been doing last summer instead of spunking £15m on the likes of Amdouni and Tresor.

There's not one Burnley fan in the world who would of wanted Diaz (or whatever he calls himself this week) over Amdouni or Tresor at the start of the season.

Parker plays to Centre forwards strengths, unlike Kompany, so I expect better numbers from our CFs this season.

[NewClaret]

There's not one Burnley fan in the world who would of wanted Diaz (or whatever he calls himself this week) over Amdouni or Tresor at the start of the season.

Parker plays to Centre forwards strengths, unlike Kompany, so I expect better numbers from our CFs this season.

I agree about how Parker plays differing to Kompany. I do worry that he had Mitrovic and Solanke then though, and whether Foster or Andreas (calling him that as can’t spell his surname) are ready to shoulder that burden though. Setting up to share them around would still be my preference.

[Woodleyclaret]

Tressor was VKs major blunder. We never needed or wanted a non tackling cm. We had some already.Zeki is a top striker and given decent support and service will be a top scorer in the Championship. Messi wouldn't have scored given the woeful support our strikers received from midfield.

[123EasyasBFC]

Crazy how times have changed since then. I wonder what Stan would have made of the Fabrizio Romano age we now live in.

Romano has killed sky sports news hasn’t he

[NewClaret]

I’d estimate between £70m and £75m for the wage bill - which compares to over £90m at the peak under SD.

However, in isolation the figures are a bit meaningless. When our wage peaked at £92m under SD the transfer spend that was hitting our P & L was nowhere near what it will be at the moment (my estimate is it will be between £25m and £30m a year for the next 4 years if we don’t sell any players).

And on top of this you also need to take into account all the other major expenditure and revenue lines where there could be significant differences between now and under SD. For example the £10m plus we could be paying now on loan interest and other finance charges (from factoring etc).

As you said it will a lot clearer when we see the next year end accounts

I’d be very shocked if it were as high as £70-£75m.

This website has it down at £37m for players alone. Loads of the highest earners off the payroll now.

https://www.capology.com/club/burnley/salaries/

Appreciate there’s errors and omissions in that, but then again it doesn’t take account of the 50% reduction on relegation, either, so assuming that’s ballpark, I’d be shocked if non playing staff payroll was pushing an additional £30m.

[gandhisflipflop]

Tressor was VKs major blunder. We never needed or wanted a non tackling cm. We had some already.Zeki is a top striker and given decent support and service will be a top scorer in the Championship. Messi wouldn't have scored given the woeful support our strikers received from midfield.

Tresor isn’t a cm?

[burnley007]

Tresor isn’t a cm?

Tresor isn't anything atm!

[claretskeith]

Tresor isn’t a cm?

Or Zeki. Unless he means the number 10 / support man role, which can sometimes be classed as (very) attacking central midfield.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Where on earth is he?

[ŽižkovClaret]

I’d estimate between £70m and £75m for the wage bill - which compares to over £90m at the peak under SD.

However, in isolation the figures are a bit meaningless. When our wage peaked at £92m under SD the transfer spend that was hitting our P & L was nowhere near what it will be at the moment (my estimate is it will be between £25m and £30m a year for the next 4 years if we don’t sell any players).

And on top of this you also need to take into account all the other major expenditure and revenue lines where there could be significant differences between now and under SD. For example the £10m plus we could be paying now on loan interest and other finance charges (from factoring etc).

As you said it will a lot clearer when we see the next year end accounts

You would argue we have a worse team in terms of current ability than peak Dyche, however in terms of asset value, and resale value, we are in a better spot.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Tresor isn’t a cm?

Correct he's a CAM or LW

[boyyanno]

You would argue we have a worse team in terms of current ability than peak Dyche, however in terms of asset value, and resale value, we are in a better spot.

Not really.

We obviously have a worse team in terms of ability than peak Dyche- peak Dyche finished in a European spot in the PL- this team got its arse handed to it most weeks and got relegated. That's not even up for debate to be honest.

Some of these players are worth more than some of Dyches. However most of them cost a lot more than the players Dyche brought in and Dyche also got x amount of years worth of service out of them.

We owe on most of the assets so it's not like you can just tott up the value of the squad and say this one has us 100million better off

[Jakubclaret]

Not really.

We obviously have a worse team in terms of ability than peak Dyche- peak Dyche finished in a European spot in the PL- this team got its arse handed to it most weeks and got relegated. That's not even up for debate to be honest.

Some of these players are worth more than some of Dyches. However most of them cost a lot more than the players Dyche brought in and Dyche also got x amount of years worth of service out of them.

We owe on most of the assets so it's not like you can just tott up the value of the squad and say this one has us 100million better off

That's something that's quite easily forgotten the outstanding payments still owed. Some people calculate the assets as final cleared without taking into account what we owe other clubs.

[claretburns]

https://x.com/dlrbrts/status/1817815779 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

Not a rumour but just Stan complaining about CT and his ‘mob’ for leaking Michael Stewart coming on loan which meant he ended up going forest instead, not sure how a fan forum affects any transfer but just found the interview funny

I think he is aiming for the route that the "mob" made it public knowledge he was available and so Forest jumped in.

[Woodleyclaret]

Our recruitment has sharpened up over the past few years apart from some notable exceptions we have swiftly moved to sign targets.A bit quicker on the Wout sale wouldn't go amiss though.

[Big Vinny K]

You would argue we have a worse team in terms of current ability than peak Dyche, however in terms of asset value, and resale value, we are in a better spot.

That’s not how a balance sheet works I’m afraid.

You have liabilities aswell as assets and believe me we are not financially better off than we were under Dyche. That’s not an opinion - that’s a fact.

[ŽižkovClaret]

That’s not how a balance sheet works I’m afraid.

You have liabilities aswell as assets and believe me we are not financially better off than we were under Dyche. That’s not an opinion - that’s a fact.

I was referring to the age of the squad, the potential, etc

[Big Vinny K]

I’d be very shocked if it were as high as £70-£75m.

This website has it down at £37m for players alone. Loads of the highest earners off the payroll now.

https://www.capology.com/club/burnley/salaries/

Appreciate there’s errors and omissions in that, but then again it doesn’t take account of the 50% reduction on relegation, either, so assuming that’s ballpark, I’d be shocked if non playing staff payroll was pushing an additional £30m.

I was responding to a post referring to the next set of accounts due not the current wage bill. The figure I estimated will be pre the relegation and for our total wage bill, bonuses etc for year end July 24. It was a comparison to the Dyche peak of £92m and a point that in isolation the wage bill does not tell the full story in terms of the impact of player spend.

[Big Vinny K]

I was referring to the age of the squad, the potential, etc

Well that’s a completely separate debate to the point I was making about our finances and the impact of our transfer spend.

I hope you are right in terms of potential and resale potential etc as financially we need it to be.

The issue with that type of model though is that as fans you might not get to see the best players at the club for long before you are forced to sell them. With the size of squad we have it’s unlikely we will have players like Tarks, Pope, Heaton and many more where you have them for 5 or 6 seasons or longer and see them develop into internationals etc.

The turnover of players in the last couple of years has been staggering.

[Ginger_Pele]

Hello everyone.

Wilson Odebert speculation:

This appeared in the Ipswich local newspaper.
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/244 ... n-odobert/

[burnmark]

Hello everyone.

Wilson Odebert speculation:

This appeared in the Ipswich local newspaper.
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/244 ... n-odobert/

‘Currently away representing France in the Olympics.’

I hope the rest of the article is also codswallop. Thanks for the link.

[randomclaret2]

Hello everyone.

Wilson Odebert speculation:

This appeared in the Ipswich local newspaper.
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/244 ... n-odobert/

The article says he's representing France at the Olympics