Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[agreenwood]

Another question though is how likely is Mourinho to go to a club where this isn't good money to spend? Would go against all other jobs he's had

Looking at the latest list of incomings at Fenerbahce, they’ve spent nigh on €50m Euros already this summer when you include the fella taio mentions. I’d imagine that’s unprecedented in Turkish football, so another €20-25m for Berge (assuming that’s what we’d want), would take them into another stratosphere.

I don’t know enough about their backers to rule it out, but Mourinho or not, it’d be an incredible amount by Turkish football standards.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looking at the latest list of incomings at Fenerbahce, they’ve spent nigh on €50m Euros already this summer when you include the fella taio mentions. I’d imagine that’s unprecedented in Turkish football, so another €20-25m for Berge (assuming that’s what we’d want), would take them into another stratosphere.

I don’t know enough about their backers to rule it out, but Mourinho or not, it’d be an incredible amount by Turkish football standards.

I believe they spent a fairly decent amount last year (around 60-65m).

Wouldn’t be surprised if they offer around 20m for berge

[taio]

Fair enough. So the question becomes how likely it is that they break a record that has stood for 20+ years twice in one window?

Not sure. But I'd guess there's a real possibility they will spend more. Especially when you consider the Mourinho factor. No idea if the link to Berge is genuine. But if it is, for all we know, he might have sensibly agreed a relegation clause in his contract that means we don't get as much as his true value.

[claretspice]

There's also an argument for him being our first choice right back as well and selling Roberts/Vitinho

There is and my personal opinion is that until he's bulked out (which he will over the next couple of years), it is Beyer's best position. He should have been used there last season. But given he's a saleable asset and we have other good options at right back, I wouldn't be surprised to see him sold if fit, and of all the players we could sell for decent money, he's probably the one we'd miss the least.

[claretspice]

Fair enough. So the question becomes how likely it is that they break a record that has stood for 20+ years twice in one window?

Arguably, once they've done it once, the chances of them doing it again increase, not decrease. They've shown they have an owner with cash - which is presumably the difference from those past 20+ years.

[RVclaret]

Not sure. But I'd guess there's a real possibility they will spend more. Especially when you consider the Mourinho factor. No idea if the link to Berge is genuine. But if it is, for all we know, he might have sensibly agreed a relegation clause in his contract that means we don't get as much as his true value.

If he had a relegation clause then I’m confident 1) it would have been reported somewhere already (Cornet’s was all over the place) 2) he would have been bought already for a ‘discount’ price. I’m happy to go with LongsideClaret and Nixon’s view that we want ‘mega money’ for him.

[taio]

If he had a relegation clause then I’m confident 1) it would have been reported somewhere already (Cornet’s was all over the place) 2) he would have been bought already for a ‘discount’ price. I’m happy to go with LongsideClaret and Nixon’s view that we want ‘mega money’ for him.

As I said, we don't know.

[BigGaz]

When you look at the quality of the players Ipswich have brought in since promotion, then compare it to the ones VK brought in after our promotion, then you start to see why our season was such a failure-even getting less points than Luton. And I bet they have spent less than we did 12 months ago

Not sure what you are getting at here but Ipswich are going to get relegated with fewer points than us if this is the sum of their transfer dealings.

[boatshed bill]

Arguably, once they've done it once, the chances of them doing it again increase, not decrease. They've shown they have an owner with cash - which is presumably the difference from those past 20+ years.

If you haven't broken a record(once), there's no chance of breaking it twice.

[warksclaret]

Not sure what you are getting at here but Ipswich are going to get relegated with fewer points than us if this is the sum of their transfer dealings.

You may well be right about them being relegated, such is the gap now between PL and Championship. Getting less points than us however I am not sure about. That takes some doing. What I am sure about is that McKenna would not be spending the clubs money on players like Delcroix, Trafford, Amdouini or bringing in players like Redmond.Still 5 weeks of this window left of course

[Stonehouse]

You may well be right about them being relegated, such is the gap now between PL and Championship. Getting less points than us however I am not sure about. That takes some doing. What I am sure about is that McKenna would not be spending the clubs money on players like Delcroix, Trafford, Amdouini or bringing in players like Redmond.Still 5 weeks of this window left of course.

Must be the worst transfer window in our history.

[123EasyasBFC]

You may well be right about them being relegated, such is the gap now between PL and Championship. Getting less points than us however I am not sure about. That takes some doing. What I am sure about is that McKenna would not be spending the clubs money on players like Delcroix, Trafford, Amdouini or bringing in players like Redmond.Still 5 weeks of this window left of course

On the face of it Redmond looked a very good signing, 29 years old with bags of premier league experience, it’s not his fault kompany didn’t play him then he got injured.

Had we stayed up or even last summer I certainly wouldn’t of wanted the club to spend the money on delap, Hutchinson and greaves that Ipswich have

[BigGaz]

You may well be right about them being relegated, such is the gap now between PL and Championship. Getting less points than us however I am not sure about. That takes some doing. What I am sure about is that McKenna would not be spending the clubs money on players like Delcroix, Trafford, Amdouini or bringing in players like Redmond.Still 5 weeks of this window left of course

It's a fair point. Our dealings were on the whole, poor.

[Vegas Claret]

Must be the worst transfer window in our history.

it was the most unnecessary

[AGENT_CLARET]

Must be the worst transfer window in our history.

If you think this you can only of been watching us for around four season's, what an over reaction

[Quicknick]

If I was a footballer, Mourinho would put me off moving to Turkey.

[bobinho]

You may well be right about them being relegated, such is the gap now between PL and Championship. Getting less points than us however I am not sure about. That takes some doing. What I am sure about is that McKenna would not be spending the clubs money on players like Delcroix, Trafford, Amdouini or bringing in players like Redmond.Still 5 weeks of this window left of course

Whilst I’m keen to agree that Ipswich will have to have a meltdown to get less points than us, I’m unsure why we believe the gap is huge. Surely we won’t really know how big until the end of this season, when we can actually see where the players who fared so badly last season have got us?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Sheffield United have made an approach to Plymouth Argyle for goalkeeper Michael Cooper but are yet to meet the £3m asking price.
@reluctantnicko

At that price we should be all over this

[Stonehouse]

If you think this you can only of been watching us for around four season's, what an over reaction

We’ve had windows when we’ve signed worse players by the bucketful but I reckon we’ve never had a window where we’ve had such a scattergun approach and seemed to have signed players just for the sake of it.

[Row x]

Must be the worst transfer window in our history.

The one a few years earlier after we'd qualified for Europe was worse

[Hedontplayforyou]

The one a few years earlier after we'd qualified for Europe was worse

Have to agree, we missed our opportunity to strengthen in that window when we were arguably more attractive than ever from the outside.

To me last years recruitment looked to be a “ get them whilst we can” attitude for quite a few. As if we’d put the feelers out and decided to sign players before their prices may have gone out of our reach.

On that list I’d include : Odobert, Amdouni and Ramsey, probably Tresor too.

On the face of it Amdouni came off the back of being the top scorer in a European competition albeit the third tier comp, but his stock will have risen.

Tresor , player of the year in Belgium, 24 assists etc.

Ramsey, decent loan at Boro at the end of the season impressing.

Odobert, highly rated and emerging talent, turned out to be one of the better performers for us.

You can see why they’d be attracted to them especially for resale value - however they don’t always work, certainly not all in their first seasons and to add to that , if you don’t strengthen the areas of the squad that you actually need that’s when you get the lob sided squad that we created.

Time will tell on the signings but I’d guess that both Tresor and Amdouni will move on from this selection, probably Odobert too.

I would love to see Amdouni Will a little more bite and work rate because I think he’d then develop in to a fine player .

[TPClaret]

I think as long as nobody else departs we don’t need to sign anyone, this squad is more than good enough

[warksclaret]

On the face of it Redmond looked a very good signing, 29 years old with bags of premier league experience, it’s not his fault kompany didn’t play him then he got injured.

Had we stayed up or even last summer I certainly wouldn’t of wanted the club to spend the money on delap, Hutchinson and greaves that Ipswich have

I accept what you are saying about Delap-he seems to have not progressed in two seasons, but then I look at Cole Palmer who was in the same boat when at City-look at him now. Hutchinson was one of Ipswich's stand out players for Ipswich (on loan)us last year and the fans love him. Greaves was one of the Championship's top CH's, with several PL clubs including Everton interested in him. Time will tell how good or poor these signings are

[warksclaret]

Whilst I’m keen to agree that Ipswich will have to have a meltdown to get less points than us, I’m unsure why we believe the gap is huge. Surely we won’t really know how big until the end of this season, when we can actually see where the players who fared so badly last season have got us?

Agreed Bobinho-for me the biggest question is the impact of the "VK factor" when in the PL. His issues with the team have been well documented. Would a different manager who could harness and keep the team motivated, and adapt our style of play got us more points. There was one key sentence in a Josh Brownhill interview in the last few days saying "Parker appeared very receptive". I think he was diplomatically making a point, and I have heard several times we appear to have a happy camp again amongst the players.

[Woodleyclaret]

Ipswich are nailed on for relegation I done understand the love in some fans have with them

[Bowclaret]

Agreed Bobinho-for me the biggest question is the impact of the "VK factor" when in the PL. His issues with the team have been well documented. Would a different manager who could harness and keep the team motivated, and adapt our style of play got us more points. There was one key sentence in a Josh Brownhill interview in the last few days saying "Parker appeared very receptive". I think he was diplomatically making a point, and I have heard several times we appear to have a happy camp again amongst the players.

I was at the open training session and it was a VERY happy camp. Lots of encouragement and pats on the back from the gaffer and lots of smiles etc from the players.

Got to say Zaroury looked very happy and a massive spring in his step, never stopped smiling.

The new lads also looked to have integrated very well.

[warksclaret]

I was at the open training session and it was a VERY happy camp. Lots of encouragement and pats on the back from the gaffer and lots of smiles etc from the players.

Got to say Zaroury looked very happy and a massive spring in his step, never stopped smiling.

The new lads also looked to have integrated very well.

Thanks for sharing Bowclaret-its good news , particularly if the likes of Zarourry, Benson and a few others can be re-motivated to deliver what they were doing two seasons ago. To quote a well quoted phrase on this message board they will be like "new signings", and you never know the new morale might just keep players like Berge at our club

[Claret Toni]

Ipswich are nailed on for relegation I done understand the love in some fans have with them

Not so much as a love in, for me, but I do have admiration for them. That's based on back to back promotions and the 2 very tough games we had with them in the FA Cup. We were flying against championship opposition and they were a league below.

I'll be interested to see how they compete against the teams around them - the key to staying up.

[Bowclaret]

Thanks for sharing Bowclaret-its good news , particularly if the likes of Zarourry, Benson and a few others can be re-motivated to deliver what they were doing two seasons ago. To quote a well quoted phrase on this message board they will be like "new signings", and you never know the new morale might just keep players like Berge at our club

Yep, lots of springs in steps and relaxed atmosphere. And yes, if we can keep Berge, and I am sure we will, we go back up. The lad is pure class, knows what it takes and runs games.

He crucial to us getting promotion and no team will have a player like him in this league. Berge, Cullen and Brownhill - just think about that in this league !

[burnley007]

I was at the open training session and it was a VERY happy camp. Lots of encouragement and pats on the back from the gaffer and lots of smiles etc from the players.

Got to say Zaroury looked very happy and a massive spring in his step, never stopped smiling.

The new lads also looked to have integrated very well.

Fantastic to hear.
It looks a happy environment again atm.
I think we can do very well this season with this squad. It's just whether Foster and Andreas can score the goals.

[claretskeith]

Ipswich are nailed on for relegation I done understand the love in some fans have with them

I think it's more an excuse for some to bash the club.

[burnmark]

Ipswich are nailed on for relegation I done understand the love in some fans have with them

Similar feeling towards Luton from a lot of Burnley fans last year.

[BigGaz]

Don't know which poster mentioned it but Amdouni is 100% staying. He will be here till January at the very least, and in all likelihood longer depending on how he gets on.

[warksclaret]

I don't think its a love in with Ipswich. Having got promoted and feeling very excited 12 months ago about our season in the PL. It was of course a disaster. However a year later I am watching all three promoted signs to see how they are preparing for the Prem and intrigued who they are trying to attract to their club.Like me I am sure most clarets have a vested interest and can relate to this

[kentonclaret]

Ipswich are nailed on for relegation I done understand the love in some fans have with them

Perhaps getting 98 points in their League One Season 2022/23 when runners up, and the following season in the Championship 2023/24 getting 96 points finishing second, and in both seasons being that divisions highest goal scorers means they have a lot to recommend them.
They managed to hang on to their highly sought after manager and I, for one, wish them well.

[ervi34]

Ipswich looking at Odobert (Pete O'Rouke)

[claretskeith]

Don't know which poster mentioned it but Amdouni is 100% staying. He will be here till January at the very least, and in all likelihood longer depending on how he gets on.

He seems a Marmite player with the posters on here, but I'm glad he's staying. I can see him being a very important player for us.

[claretskeith]

Ipswich looking at Odobert (Pete O'Rouke)

If he goes we need to get an inflated fee for him + a 25% minimum sell-on fee.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He seems a Marmite player with the posters on here, but I'm glad he's staying. I can see him being a very important player for us.

Strange player

I’m seriously struggling to see where fits in Parker’s team tbh.

I imagine he’s one the club are trying to find a home for

[RVclaret]

I hope Amdouni stays. He struggled with the intensity last season but talent wise he’d be a level above Championship players imo. Reckon he could easily play the 10 or as an ‘inside winger’ for Parker (Ryan Christie played this role for his Bournemouth team).

As for Odobert, I can’t see Ipswich paying the £25m we should be looking for. They’ve moved on from Jack Clarke (seemingly) as Sunderland wanted £25m for him.

[Hipper]

With Amdouni he looks like a player that needs a direction, a coach that will take him aside and develop his undoubted talent into something useful for a team, preferably our team..

[Colburn_Claret]

With Amdouni he looks like a player that needs a direction, a coach that will take him aside and develop his undoubted talent into something useful for a team, preferably our team..

Hes already done that with his previous clubs, and for Switzerland.
The problem he had, is VK couldn't or wouldn't, play a system that allowed him the freedom to show us what he can do. There were many glimpses last season, but never the full package.
Many clubs buy young talent, and then mould them into a different, better player. But they do it by playing them in the reserves for a season to learn the role. Chucking Zeki in at the deep end in the Prem, he might as well have chucked him under a bus.

Wether we see the best of Amdouni, is all down to how SP wants to play him. I hope he stays, but if we don't have a system that suits him, it would be best all round if we cashed in.

[Big Vinny K]

Amdouni certainly is a strange player.
Personally I thought he was one of the biggest disappointments last season. Plenty of players clearly had poor seasons but at least some of them showed signs of improvement as the season progressed.

Amdouni for me got worse - some of this might have been the impact on his confidence of being benched but from what I have seen I think a lot of it is his attitude and decision making. I think he makes bad decisions in the wrong part of the pitch. He comes deep a lot looking for the ball - which is fine if you are going to drag opposition players out of position, help break lines, keep possession etc. But so many time he would come deep and either over run the ball (he does this a lot) or try a one touch flick or beat one man and then lose it trying to beat another etc etc.

He must have potential - you don’t get in a successful international team like Switzerland wiithout being good. But the recent Euros sums him up. First game looks decent. Next 2 or 3 games comes on as sub and contributes zero and he’s over running the ball, first touch is awful, running into his own team mates. He then came on against England and looked really good !!

My hope is that the new manager and coaches can get the best out of him and get him to focus on his movement and where on the pitch he can take risks and where on the pitch he can’t. He’s got 2 good feet and we have seen how well he can strike a ball so for me he needs to be running off the striker and also getting himself into the box far more where he can shoot or make chances for other players. From what I have seen for him for Burnley and for Switzerland the deeper he comes the worse he looks and I’m sceptical whether he can improve enough in those areas you need to be that kind of player.

[Quicknick]

Amdouni certainly is a strange player.
Personally I thought he was one of the biggest disappointments last season. Plenty of players clearly had poor seasons but at least some of them showed signs of improvement as the season progressed.

Amdouni for me got worse - some of this might have been the impact on his confidence of being benched but from what I have seen I think a lot of it is his attitude and decision making. I think he makes bad decisions in the wrong part of the pitch. He comes deep a lot looking for the ball - which is fine if you are going to drag opposition players out of position, help break lines, keep possession etc. But so many time he would come deep and either over run the ball (he does this a lot) or try a one touch flick or beat one man and then lose it trying to beat another etc etc.

He must have potential - you don’t get in a successful international team like Switzerland wiithout being good. But the recent Euros sums him up. First game looks decent. Next 2 or 3 games comes on as sub and contributes zero and he’s over running the ball, first touch is awful, running into his own team mates. He then came on against England and looked really good !!

My hope is that the new manager and coaches can get the best out of him and get him to focus on his movement and where on the pitch he can take risks and where on the pitch he can’t. He’s got 2 good feet and we have seen how well he can strike a ball so for me he needs to be running off the striker and also getting himself into the box far more where he can shoot or make chances for other players. From what I have seen for him for Burnley and for Switzerland the deeper he comes the worse he looks and I’m sceptical whether he can improve enough in those areas you need to be that kind of player.

Thoughtful post, Vinny.

[Woodleyclaret]

Zeki will be star next season with Benny and Anass supplying the passes.Last year he was a victim of our dithering cms and slowly building upattacks.

[Steddyman]

If he goes we need to get an inflated fee for him + a 25% minimum sell-on fee.

I don't see him going for more than £15m in this window.

[burnley007]

I don't see him going for more than £15m in this window.

If we sell him for that we might as well pack up and forget about the season.

[jojomk1]

I think as long as nobody else departs we don’t need to sign anyone, this squad is more than good enough

We currently have a squad of 37 senior players and quite a few of them will not see first team football next season for Burnley

There has to be more outgoings

[bobinho]

Agreed Bobinho-for me the biggest question is the impact of the "VK factor" when in the PL. His issues with the team have been well documented. Would a different manager who could harness and keep the team motivated, and adapt our style of play got us more points. There was one key sentence in a Josh Brownhill interview in the last few days saying "Parker appeared very receptive". I think he was diplomatically making a point, and I have heard several times we appear to have a happy camp again amongst the players.

I’m getting that vibe too, albeit third or fourth hand. Still encouraging tho… I like the fact he hasn’t rushed to dump anyone - he’s having a good look and putting his squad together based on what he’s seeing on the training ground. I’d like to think that builds strength throughout the group. (Jeez… I’ve turned into SD!)
Looking forward to this now. Hoping for some balance, not just in the team and formation, but in how we go about maximising any strengths we have, and recognising when something is costing us dearly and changing/reacting.

[bobinho]

We currently have a squad of 37 senior players and quite a few of them will not see first team football next season for Burnley

There has to be more outgoings

Sure there will be, but it won’t be decided by us thankfully. It’ll be decided by the manager who’s taking a while to decide who can do a job for him. I like that approach.