Ashes 4th Test

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:39 pm

Incredible graphic on screen re Steve Smith facing bowlers over 90mph

His average drops down from around 60 to just under 30!

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:40 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:01 pm
None planned in the North of the UK, its a farce and all the players seem to have spoken out about how disappointed they are

No test match north of the Trent in the next Ashes. That's disgusting, if any test should go it's Lords as it's a horrendous atmosphere at that ground, full of corporate people who don't know the first thing about cricket, and aren't particularly interested. We also have an absolutely horrific record there, and I know from first hand chats many of the players don't really enjoy playing there due to the above reasons.

Problem is it rakes in £millions for the red and yellow tie brigade..

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:45 pm

Lords adds huge amounts financially, and is the biggest ground in the country.

I struggle to make a case for Nottingham, with it's limited capacity.... and facilities wise, the Rose Bowl is well short of being a tier 1 ground for the biggest cricket events.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:30 pm

Labuschagne gone. 51
183-4

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:30 pm

Moeen getting turn already.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:31 pm

Aussies not picking a spinner could be huge this test - Moeen is getting some drift, spin and bounce… could be massive in the second innings

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:33 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:31 pm
Aussies not picking a spinner could be huge this test - Moeen is getting some drift, spin and bounce… could be massive in the second innings

It was for this reason I hoped we would have batted when winning the toss

Jel · Post by **Jel** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:45 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:14 pm
At least the guff you talk isn’t just confined to football.

Me?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:05 pm

600 up!!

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:06 pm

Broad gets Head (oooh errr) 600th wicket for him

189/5

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:56 pm

Aussie middle order causing us problems again -

Cam Green looks a bit shaky though

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:59 pm

Green gone for 16
254-6

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:00 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:56 pm
Aussie middle order causing us problems again -

Cam Green looks a bit shaky though

Wouldn’t be surprised if they drop him for Murphy next game - looks miles off it

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:01 pm

Everytime the Aussies look to be getting a partnership together we get a wicket to peg them back.

Great stuff on a batting friendly track.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:03 pm

Fair play bairstow that’s some catch

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:03 pm

255-7

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:03 pm

255-7 Great over for Woakes with 2 wickets.

Outstanding catch by Bairstow.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:06 pm

Worldy by Bairstow. So pleased for him and might keep the haters quiet for a bit

ChrisG · Post by **ChrisG** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:15 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:06 pm
Worldy by Bairstow. So pleased for him and might keep the haters quiet for a bit

He's still bobbins irrespective of what admittedly was an excellent catch

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:16 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:06 pm
Worldy by Bairstow. So pleased for him and might keep the haters quiet for a bit

Something like that can really be a turning point for a player.

His confidence will have been given a huge shot in the arm, hopefully that continues with the gloves, and can move into his batting too..

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:17 pm

Not seen any today.

Has Anderson deserved his recall?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:19 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:17 pm
Not seen any today.

Has Anderson deserved his recall?

Bowled well, without looking particularly threatening.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:21 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:17 pm
Not seen any today.

Has Anderson deserved his recall?

Bowled accurately but hasn’t looked remotely close to getting a wicket so far

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Jimmy just doesn't seem to have that zip at the moment, he hasn't all series, he can't keep blaming the pitches..

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:34 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:17 pm
Not seen any today.

Has Anderson deserved his recall?

No so far

ClaretsPadiham · Post by **ClaretsPadiham** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:45 pm

I we had Jos Buttler behind the wickets we would be ahead in the test.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:46 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:27 pm
Jimmy just doesn't seem to have that zip at the moment, he hasn't all series, he can't keep blaming the pitches..

To be fair, I think he’s bowled well today without any luck but he’s clearly coming to the end of what’s been a wonderful career.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:52 pm

Maybe Jimmy’s last Test unless he skittles them out in the next innings

ClaretsPadiham · Post by **ClaretsPadiham** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:54 pm

Good accurate bowling by Jimmy but no real threat, coming to the end of an amazing career.

Can he produce something big in this last half hour ??

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:55 pm

Jimmy has bowled well without luck. Far better than Broad who has picked a couple of wickets up.

That's cricket for you.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:59 pm

Maybe his swan song but I wouldn’t like to face him ever

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:02 pm

It's not the first time Jimmy has bowled pretty well for no reward.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:22 pm

294-8 Carey gone, 20.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:28 pm

Feel sorry for Jimmy he’s lost a yard of pace and the batters are just not worried about him

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:50 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:28 pm
Feel sorry for Jimmy he’s lost a yard of pace and the batters are just not worried about him

They very rarely take him on, which makes it harder to take wickets but keep a very good economy rate.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:00 pm

The crowd just can't reach the levels of Headingley, I don't know if it's Old Trafford or what.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:13 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:50 pm
They very rarely take him on, which makes it harder to take wickets but keep a very good economy rate.

Yes he’s applied pressure at one end from a run rate point of view.

I just don’t think he’s going to get more than 1 or 2 wickets this test match.

I suspect it might be his last test match

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:17 pm

When you consider Woakes is just about the slowest of the four pace bowlers, its incredible to see how dangerous he is. For me he provides the benchmark for Jimmy, and whilst Jimmy has been tidy and accurate, apart from his initial spell he has not caused them problems

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:33 pm

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:17 pm
When you consider Woakes is just about the slowest of the four pace bowlers, its incredible to see how dangerous he is. For me he provides the benchmark for Jimmy, and whilst Jimmy has been tidy and accurate, apart from his initial spell he has not caused them problems

Not sure that’s accurate Warks, they put some stats up today.

Woods average speed was around 88
Woakes 83
Broad 81
Jimmy 80

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:56 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:00 pm
The crowd just can't reach the levels of Headingley, I don't know if it's Old Trafford or what.

No different to day 1 at Headingley tbh. It was late in the day when it got going there as well.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 8:10 pm

Lots of comments about Jimmy.

He had an OK day, and of the 5 bowlers used he certainly bowled the least dross and made them play the most.

In general terms we didn't create enough pressure.... allowing the Aussies to leave far too many wayward deliveries.

Too much importance being attached to speed on here... You could bowl at 100mph but if you're flinging it all over the place you'll get tonked at this level...

I think what worried me most was how utterly comfortable their 8 and 9 looked against all 5 of our bowlers...we looked unable to trouble them for way too long.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:35 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 19, 2023 7:00 pm
The crowd just can't reach the levels of Headingley, I don't know if it's Old Trafford or what.

I was there today and the atmosphere was excellent
Every Englizh player was given great support. It was hard going for all of the bowlers but they stuck to their individual tasks. Jimmy, I think had five or six different spells but he did begin to look a bit dejected towards the end of the day. Looking forward to tomorrow.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:00 am

Jimmy gets a wicket first ball

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:04 am

Awful shot from Cummins but delighted for Jimmy

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:06 am

Gwan Jimmy

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:23 am

If only Statham and Trueman had known about “wobble seam” they could have become world class bowlers.

Commentators try to use the phrase once or twice during a seamers over.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:36 am

Woakes showing his value again with his 5th wicket

317 all out

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:36 am

All out for 317.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:37 am

Gotta dig in and get a good partnership for the opening 2

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 am

Woakes gets Hazelwood after last pair put on 18. Hopefully those loose runs from the tail don't come back to bite us.

Oz 317 All out

5-52 for Woakes.