Lampard gone

[Swizzlestick]

Sean Dyche would be a big gamble for them. If you're desperate for a turnaround in fortunes then gambling isn't the best option

Who wouldn’t be a gamble now though? Bearing in mind the only job Allardyce has had since he was last at Everton is WBA, who were relegated.

[Jakubclaret]

Sean Dyche would be a big gamble for them. If you're desperate for a turnaround in fortunes then gambling isn't the best option

Things are pretty much rock bottom as their are, I don’t think think they could afford/attract a big name they just need somebody steady to see this season out & grind enough points out to get them over the line, with the names being bandied about I don’t think there’s anybody better than dyche for the job who’s available.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Sean Dyche would be a big gamble for them. If you're desperate for a turnaround in fortunes then gambling isn't the best option

Or they'll think long term and aim for someone who could either keep them up or bring them back up

[Croydon Claret]

Who wouldn’t be a gamble now though? Bearing in mind the only job Allardyce has had since he was last at Everton is WBA, who were relegated.

There are some are risks that should not be taken if you're in dire straits.

Somebody who has had some sort of success with more than one club would be my personal marker

Agree that Allardyce is not the answer. He now has one relegation on his CV, so is not the guaranteed saviour that he used to be, and he's been out of the game a long time

[Stalbansclaret]

Sean Dyche would be a big gamble for them. If you're desperate for a turnaround in fortunes then gambling isn't the best option

ANYONE who is available would be huge gamble..there is no such thing as a sure thing for them. Bielsa would be a bigger gamble silly because of his uniquely demanding approach.
There is some shocking disrespect of Dyche on this thread. i remember in our European season reading an article in the i newspaper where the journalist eulogised about the brilliant way in which we operated a s team, with the individual players working in harmony to create a "perfect machine". To characterise "Dycheball" as just defending and hoofing it up to the big man is ridiculous. He's a pragmatic coach who was severely constrained here....yes he has his faults and over-stayed but peak Dyche era Burnley were a fantastic team.

[basil6345789]

Who wouldn’t be a gamble now though? Bearing in mind the only job Allardyce has had since he was last at Everton is WBA, who were relegated.

Sam nearly kept WBA up and would've had he got in there earlier

[Swizzlestick]

Sam nearly kept WBA up and would've had he got in there earlier

Heck of an assumption considering they finished 13 points adrift from safety.

[Gaia]

From the daily mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... mpard.html
Key figures within the Everton hierarchy remain admirers of their previous manager Sam Allardyce, who has held initial talks with the club over replacing Lampard.

There is a feeling at Goodison that Allardyce’s experience in guiding relegation threatened teams to safety offers the club with a strong chance of avoiding the drop.

Sean Dyche is out of work, but there is a reluctance from the Everton board to move for the ex-Burnley boss.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Newcastle have made a serious enquiry about Anthony Gordon and Everton are happy to sell apparently.

The fire sale is starting

[Billy Balfour]

Please let it be either Fat Sam or Potato Face.

[warksclaret]

Sean almost became too big for us, and under the previous ownership he was never going to get challenged over team management. As a result during his tenure there were two relegations-the first one the Board stayed loyal, which has been uncommon for a side relegated, but the decision proved the right one. But when returning to the PL he went on a number of lengthy runs of 8-10 games without winning , we were flirting at the foot of the table, but again the Board stayed loyal and retained him. In fairness he managed to turn results round and we would go on a run where we moved up the table, and to safety. It eventually came to an end last season, and the signs were there from the previous season-but as Ben Mee stated in his podcast we were running out of ideas. THere was a huge belief that "he has got us out of trouble before and Sean will do it again". With a tired and ageing squad, it caught up with us.

I think SD knows there is no way he will get the same time, loyalty or support from a new club. To get sacked for a short reign could end his career as manager of a good club. He has seen a number of good jobs come up in both PL and the Championship, and he does not appear to have come close.If Allardyce gets the Everton job I genuinely feel it will dent Dyche's confidence. He will also have seen what VK has achieved in less than 7 months in not only style of play, performances, working relationship with our chairman, and what it has done for the town and attendances.

I have a feeling if SD does not land a managers job in the new few months that we might not see him as a manager again, unless the National team find him a role

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Sean almost became too big for us, and under the previous ownership he was never going to get challenged over team management. As a result during his tenure there were two relegations-the first one the Board stayed loyal, which has been uncommon for a side relegated, but the decision proved the right one. But when returning to the PL he went on a number of lengthy runs of 8-10 games without winning , we were flirting at the foot of the table, but again the Board stayed loyal and retained him. In fairness he managed to turn results round and we would go on a run where we moved up the table, and to safety. It eventually came to an end last season, and the signs were there from the previous season-but as Ben Mee stated in his podcast we were running out of ideas. THere was a huge belief that "he has got us out of trouble before and Sean will do it again". With a tired and ageing squad, it caught up with us.

I think SD knows there is no way he will get the same time, loyalty or support from a new club. To get sacked for a short reign could end his career as manager of a good club. He has seen a number of good jobs come up in both PL and the Championship, and he does not appear to have come close.If Allardyce gets the Everton job I genuinely feel it will dent Dyche's confidence. He will also have seen what VK has achieved in less than 7 months in not only style of play, performances, working relationship with our chairman, and what it has done for the town and attendances.

I have a feeling if SD does not land a managers job in the new few months that we might not see him as a manager again, unless the National team find him a role

Howe was out of management for 18 mths I think it was, before Newcastle took a chance on him

[bfcjg]

From the daily mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... mpard.html
Key figures within the Everton hierarchy remain admirers of their previous manager Sam Allardyce, who has held initial talks with the club over replacing Lampard.

There is a feeling at Goodison that Allardyce’s experience in guiding relegation threatened teams to safety offers the club with a strong chance of avoiding the drop.

Sean Dyche is out of work, but there is a reluctance from the Everton board to move for the ex-Burnley boss.

Could McNeil and Tarks have stuck the knife in ? Something went wrong in our changing room.

[ClaretPete001]

Sean almost became too big for us, and under the previous ownership he was never going to get challenged over team management. As a result during his tenure there were two relegations-the first one the Board stayed loyal, which has been uncommon for a side relegated, but the decision proved the right one. But when returning to the PL he went on a number of lengthy runs of 8-10 games without winning , we were flirting at the foot of the table, but again the Board stayed loyal and retained him. In fairness he managed to turn results round and we would go on a run where we moved up the table, and to safety. It eventually came to an end last season, and the signs were there from the previous season-but as Ben Mee stated in his podcast we were running out of ideas. THere was a huge belief that "he has got us out of trouble before and Sean will do it again". With a tired and ageing squad, it caught up with us.

I think SD knows there is no way he will get the same time, loyalty or support from a new club. To get sacked for a short reign could end his career as manager of a good club. He has seen a number of good jobs come up in both PL and the Championship, and he does not appear to have come close.If Allardyce gets the Everton job I genuinely feel it will dent Dyche's confidence. He will also have seen what VK has achieved in less than 7 months in not only style of play, performances, working relationship with our chairman, and what it has done for the town and attendances.

I have a feeling if SD does not land a managers job in the new few months that we might not see him as a manager again, unless the National team find him a role

Are these reasonable criticisms? The current bottom 7 in the PL have won between 4 and 5 games out of 20....! That's the nature of the PL.

The previous board spent almost nothing in the seasons preceding relegation despite the new owners finding well over 50 million to fund a leveraged buyout and a £20 million transfer spend for the last two seasons.

Everton have spent £700 million since Moshiri arrived at the club and that is still not in the big 6.

I don't want to go around old arguments but this this a public forum and a balanced appraisal of someone who was one of the best managers we've ever had seems to be in order.

[ClaretPete001]

PL parachute money guarantees nothing, as Watford and Norwich are finding out, while I'd say VK's appointment was more than just serendipity - we're not an easy project to sell and there were more than a few raised eyebrows at the time - https://twitter.com/F365/status/1536673 ... xSU49GD59g

The fact he was available and at the right point in his career is serendipitous. If he does turn out to be the next Pep we wouldn't have got him.

[ClaretPete001]

Could McNeil and Tarks have stuck the knife in ? Something went wrong in our changing room.

I would suspect that part of Moshiri's problem is that he doesn't want to listen to strong footballing characters. Particularly, now there is so much criticism.

Allardyce would not be popular with the fans but it would be a sensible appointment with someone with no long- term stake in the future of the club.

He isn't going to rock any boats or be too worried if Everton go down.

[KRBFC]

ANYONE who is available would be huge gamble..there is no such thing as a sure thing for them. Bielsa would be a bigger gamble silly because of his uniquely demanding approach.
There is some shocking disrespect of Dyche on this thread. i remember in our European season reading an article in the i newspaper where the journalist eulogised about the brilliant way in which we operated a s team, with the individual players working in harmony to create a "perfect machine". To characterise "Dycheball" as just defending and hoofing it up to the big man is ridiculous. He's a pragmatic coach who was severely constrained here....yes he has his faults and over-stayed but peak Dyche era Burnley were a fantastic team.

It's been like 5-6 years since we got into Europe, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned that goal we scored against Everton as some kind of proof we didn't spend 90% of the time wellying it forward.

This idea he only played that way because of financial constraints is false too because when we were one of the biggest spenders in the Championship, with the highest wage bill, we played the same way. Defensive, incredibly difficult to beat, brilliant on set pieces, hard working.

I think some find it negative towards Dyche for pointing out how we played, I don't find it negative to call a spade, a spade. We were what we were. It worked too btw, the results were largely fantastic.

[DukeOfBar]

I'm not one for claiming to be 'in the know' on here, because frankly I'm usually not. However, my workmate is a big 'in the know' Neverton fan and claims that Allardyce has been offered a huge financial incentive today if he keeps them up - contract til the season ends, he has to respond by tomorrow.

[Milltown1882]

I'm not one for claiming to be 'in the know' on here, because frankly I'm usually not. However, my workmate is a big 'in the know' Neverton fan and claims that Allardyce has been offered a huge financial incentive today if he keeps them up - contract til the season ends, he has to respond by tomorrow.

I got him at 20/1 this morning.

[kentonclaret]

Always very sceptical of information on football managerial appointments from those claiming to be “in the know” when the person is widely available at 14/1 with the bookies.

[Milltown1882]

Always very sceptical of information on football managerial appointments from those claiming to be “in the know” when the person is widely available at 14/1 with the bookies.

I had Nuno at 30/1 when he went to Spurs, betting got suspended the day after. Also have Nuno at 25s to Everton due to the Everton director of football apparently being the one who can choose the next appointment and they worked together at Wolves. Managers is a rapid moving market.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Everton agreed a loan deal for a striker from Seville I think it was.
He's passed the medical, done the social media stuff for his signing and was expected at the club today to sign the paperwork.

He's gone off to Spurs instead...

This also impacts the potential sale of Gordon to Newcastle, as the Seville lad was his replacement I think.

[Milltown1882]

Everton agreed a loan deal for a striker from Seville I think it was.
He's passed the medical, done the social media stuff for his signing and was expected at the club today to sign the paperwork.

He's gone off to Spurs instead...

This also impacts the potential sale of Gordon to Newcastle, as the Seville lad was his replacement I think.

Danjuma, Odenwingie levels of transfer window shithousery.

[warksclaret]

Howe was out of management for 18 mths I think it was, before Newcastle took a chance on him

Thought I would never say this but you just can't compare the qualities Eddie NOW has to those of Sean, which is why a big club like Newcastle had no hesitation appointing him. Just listened to a Nick Pope interview and they currently have an amazing dressing room under Eddie, arguably one of the best defences in the PL (something Eddie was previously criticised for), and having been at the game v Leicester on Boxing Day they are a real attacking force. Eddie spent the 18 month absence "studying" various coaching styles across Europe, and I suspect added quite a dimension to his coaching skills

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Thought I would never say this but you just can't compare the qualities Eddie NOW has to those of Sean, which is why a big club like Newcastle had no hesitation appointing him. Just listened to a Nick Pope interview and they currently have an amazing dressing room under Eddie, arguably one of the best defences in the PL (something Eddie was previously criticised for), and having been at the game v Leicester on Boxing Day they are a real attacking force. Eddie spent the 18 month absence "studying" various coaching styles across Europe, and I suspect added quite a dimension to his coaching skills

Howe went away and spent time at other clubs, he'd identified his weaknesses (teams with a poor defence for example) and became a better coach/manager in those 18mths.
That's why Newcastle took a chance on him.

Dyche could well end up doing the same if he wishes, but I'm just pointing out that managers can take time out and still get a job.

[boatshed bill]

Dyche could well end up doing the same if he wishes, but I'm just pointing out that managers can take time out and still get a job.

If he's still on our payroll (so to speak) he'd be as well to do that.

[claretandy]

Moshiri has put Everton up for sale, 500m....

[Vegas Claret]

Newcastle want Gordon
Arsenal want Onana (he hasn't trained today)
Danjuma decided Spurs was less of a mad house
Club up for sale
No manager

If anyone keeps that **** show up then they should be given the key to the city

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Moshiri has put Everton up for sale, 500m....

Any potential buyers might want to wait and get it cheaper as a championship club

[tiger76]

Blimey! whoever does take the reins at Goodison I wish them plenty of luck because they sure are going to need it.

[Paddy1882]

If Everton want someone to come in until the end of the season I’d be going for Big Sam over Dyche all day long. He’s been there before so knows the club, knows the pressures from the fans etc. whoever goes in there needs I recon a minimum of 8 wins maybe closer to 10, what did Dyche get us last season 4/5, while playing some turgid football and that’s with knowing the players and them knowing him. What experience has he got at going in to a club mid way through a season, a club who’s rock bottom and keeping them up…. None. Allardyce has been doing that all his career, last time out with West Brom sure he failed but he’s got a better success rate at it than Dyche.

[bfcjg]

https://twitter.com/TheEvertonian78/sta ... g4CHA&s=19

[Chobulous]

If Everton want someone to come in until the end of the season I’d be going for Big Sam over Dyche all day long. He’s been there before so knows the club, knows the pressures from the fans etc. whoever goes in there needs I recon a minimum of 8 wins maybe closer to 10, what did Dyche get us last season 4/5, while playing some turgid football and that’s with knowing the players and them knowing him. What experience has he got at going in to a club mid way through a season, a club who’s rock bottom and keeping them up…. None. Allardyce has been doing that all his career, last time out with West Brom sure he failed but he’s got a better success rate at it than Dyche.

I hate it when words are used completely out of context just because the poster has heard it used by some knobhead pundit or sports journalist. Turgid is not a word that can be applied to a style of football. It means swollen or distended.
Rant over

[IanMcL]

Thank you Mr Bosscat.
I am sending a van to collect.


You may think a removal van is excessively large.
I hope you will feel the benefit of freedom, as you wander your new space at home. No need to thank me. I know you will appreciate it.

Your trusted friend and blood brother
IanMcL

[tiger76]

New Everton manager the job nobody wants seemingly.

[Devils_Advocate]

I hate it when words are used completely out of context just because the poster has heard it used by some knobhead pundit or sports journalist. Turgid is not a word that can be applied to a style of football. It means swollen or distended.
Rant over

Get a modern dictionary as another definition of turgid is: turgid adjective (TOO SERIOUS) - too serious and very boring:

One of the other definitions of the word is 'pompous' so you could say that you posting on this subject is a little turgid

[Paddy1882]

I hate it when words are used completely out of context just because the poster has heard it used by some knobhead pundit or sports journalist. Turgid is not a word that can be applied to a style of football. It means swollen or distended.
Rant over

I was just posting a opinion on a football message board, if you disagree with my opinion on the topic in question not a problem that is what sites like this are all about opinion, healthy debate etc. What you hate or what annoys you on the other hand I couldn't give a shiny turd... You enjoy the rest of your day. P.S sorry if any words i have used can't be applied to this sentence.

[Bosscat]

Thank you Mr Bosscat.
I am sending a van to collect.


You may think a removal van is excessively large.
I hope you will feel the benefit of freedom, as you wander your new space at home. No need to thank me. I know you will appreciate it.

Your trusted friend and blood brother
IanMcL

Its boxed and ready ...

The £9 notes are in the blue boxes and the £13 notes in grey ... they are under a tarp by the garage ready for you

[Jakubclaret]

I hate it when words are used completely out of context just because the poster has heard it used by some knobhead pundit or sports journalist. Turgid is not a word that can be applied to a style of football. It means swollen or distended.
Rant over

Agree I’m not 1 for all these fancy words, trouble is we seem to have far too many know it all wannabe Mensa professors on this site who actually know the square root of FA, I’m not implying the poster who used turgid is like that but in lots of instances you can just call it out how it is & the word crap could have easily replaced turgid.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

New Everton manager the job nobody wants seemingly.

Can't blame them to be fair.

Anyone who does take it is going to want a huge staying up bonus or huge payoff if they end up relegated and getting the boot.

[evensteadiereddie]

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[evensteadiereddie]

Indeed, turgid - in the sense of bombastic or overdone - can be applied to footballing style.
Many a fan would argue that the tippy tappy approach to the game is largely for effect with little outcome and therefore bombastic.
Granted the use of the word these days tends to imply "boring" but there you go.

I'm dying to know what a Mensa professor, wannabe or otherwise, is.

[PremierLeagueClass]

I like how ‘low block’ is now the fancy way of saying ‘park the bus’.

[martin_p]

I like how ‘low block’ is now the fancy way of saying ‘park the bus’.

Fancy football language has come on in leaps and bounds over the last few years. Low block, pivot, double pivot, false nine, etc, you never heard any of these words in footy conversations a few years ago.

[warksclaret]

Fancy football language has come on in leaps and bounds over the last few years. Low block, pivot, double pivot, false nine, etc, you never heard any of these words in footy conversations a few years ago.

Remember when my son played football-he was in the U-10'sOne week the manager told him to play in "the hole"

[tiger76]

Can't blame them to be fair.

Anyone who does take it is going to want a huge staying up bonus or huge payoff if they end up relegated and getting the boot.

No I don't blame them, but this just shows how far down the pecking order Everton are at present, not too long ago going to Goodison would have been a prized position not so now.

And whoever takes the poisoned chalice will firstly have to keep Everton in the Prem, then likely faces a summer of turmoil as they further cut costs and shed players due to FFP biting.

[warksclaret]

No I don't blame them, but this just shows how far down the pecking order Everton are at present, not too long ago going to Goodison would have been a prized position not so now.

And whoever takes the poisoned chalice will firstly have to keep Everton in the Prem, then likely faces a summer of turmoil as they further cut costs and shed players due to FFP biting.

Like a number of clubs Everton have sacked or lost managers, then gone backwards, and those managers have gone on to be successful ie Marco Silva, Roberto Martinez,Ronald Koeman, and to some extent David Moyes

[dsr]

Remember when my son played football-he was in the U-10'sOne week the manager told him to play in "the hole"

Sure it wasn't the under-10's golf?

[Jakubclaret]

No I don't blame them, but this just shows how far down the pecking order Everton are at present, not too long ago going to Goodison would have been a prized position not so now.

And whoever takes the poisoned chalice will firstly have to keep Everton in the Prem, then likely faces a summer of turmoil as they further cut costs and shed players due to FFP biting.

Everton have been on the slide for years & unable to get things right with flaky managerial appointments & signing mercenary players it's only more noticable & talked about now because they have landed at the bottom of that slide in terms of PL stature not necessarily referring to PL position. It's got to the point where the ex players are speaking out now & that's made all the difference that wasn't really happening before.

[Gaia]

Everton want to appoint a manager by Friday. The 3 names in the running are Marcelo Bielsa, Sean Dyche and Ralph Hassenhuttl.
https://twitter.com/EFCdaily_/status/16 ... V4hDg&s=19