Lampard gone

[MancunianClaret]

Can't believe Bielsa is favourite. If he'd even take it, he'd have them at -70 GD by the end of the season.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Everton fans hated Alardyce after he got them into 8th and Europe I believe. Absolute buffoons their fanbase they are the gift that keeps on giving. They think their still a big club after winning the league 40 odd years ago.

You’d have to be insane to want to manage such a toxic fanbase.

Dyche might chin a few though so hope he gets it

[Bosscat]

Dominic King saying Everton aren’t considering Dyche for the job. There will be some devastated fans on here when their messiah gets overlooked for another job.

He isn't the Messiah ... He's a very naughty boy

[Bosscat]

He gets mentioned on here more than our actual manager who is on the verge of breaking many records on our way up.

He actually gets mentioned more by the Anti-Dyche brigade who seem to have a huge chip on their shoulders ... well ... when I say Chip its more a sack of King Edwards

[KRBFC]

Who should they appoint then? Appointing Dyche is a risk? Really? In they might not get relegated.

I think people are acting like Dyche is a sure fire thing to survival, he hasn't got the same multiple club saviour tag like Allardyce had. Surely no PL club is planning for Dyche long term so seems a bit of a nothing appointment.

[kentonclaret]

They haven't got a single player in that entire squad who I'd fancy to chip in with 10+ league goals in a season.

Dyche goes in there and parks the bus every game, get Tarkowski looking great defending the comfort of his own 6 yard box. Play for set pieces and hopefully hit the head of Yerry Mina a few times.

It's an incredible risk appointing Dyche and not something Everton fans would accept long term (past this season). If I was an Everton fan, I think I'd rather accept relegation and press the full reset button.

Blimey you don’t want much. If any of the bottom 4 clubs had players capable of scoring 10+ goals then they wouldn’t be sitting in the bottom 4.
The 3 lowest scoring teams were relegated from the PL last season for that very same reason. They didn’t have strikers capable of getting into double figures.

[KRBFC]

Blimey you don’t want much. If any of the bottom 4 clubs had players capable of scoring 10+ goals then they wouldn’t be sitting in the bottom 4.
The 3 lowest scoring teams were relegated from the PL last season for that very same reason. They didn’t have strikers capable of getting into double figures.

That's my point, they are inside the bottom 3 because of this reason, they don't have anyone to score regularly, Richarlison bailed them out last season.

[claretspice]

I think people are acting like Dyche is a sure fire thing to survival, he hasn't got the same multiple club saviour tag like Allardyce had. Surely no PL club is planning for Dyche long term so seems a bit of a nothing appointment.

He's in a very similar position to that which Allardyce was in when Blackburn appointed him to do a rescue job after Ince had crashed. Yes, Dyche has two relegations (just about) on his CV, but in truth most sensible observers recognise that the first was virtually inevitable and the second was broadly a function of gravity catching up with the inevitable. Allardyce didn't have that when he went to Blackburn (though he did have lower league relegations), but he did have a failure at Newcastle on his CV. He got the firefighter reputation from there because he's proved himself a good manager in the Premier League over an extended period.

Dyche is well worth a go for any team in that region of the division, particularly one that needs a strong leader to come in and impose a bit of structure.

There's plenty of good players at Everton, but they're disparate parts of various different unfinished projects and as a result, less than the sum of their parts right now.

[KRBFC]

He's in a very similar position to that which Allardyce was in when Blackburn appointed him to do a rescue job after Ince had crashed. Yes, Dyche has two relegations (just about) on his CV, but in truth most sensible observers recognise that the first was virtually inevitable and the second was broadly a function of gravity catching up with the inevitable. Allardyce didn't have that when he went to Blackburn, but he did have a failure at Newcastle on his CV. He got the firefighter reputation from there because he's proved himself a good manager in the Premier League over an extended period.

Dyche is well worth a go for any team in that region of the division, particularly one that needs a strong leader to come in and impose a bit of structure.

There's plenty of good players at Everton, but they're disparate parts of various different unfinished projects and as a result, less than the sum of their parts right now.

He could well become Allardyce, he's not proven at multiple clubs yet though. Allardyce seems less of a risk to me if you want a 6 month rescue job, Dyche has never been in that position.

As for the plenty of good players, I don't see it personally.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Everton have a mixture of good and half decent PL players.

The issue is the same as it's been for years, a bizarre transfer policy and a continued failure by whichever manager is in place to get the best out of the squad.

That squad should be closer to mid-table

[houseboy]

SD must have marked his own card at the Turf, some stories must have got out in footy circles, hence the rapid sacking by AP plus it appears no club wants him!
Strange scenario really

Or he doesn’t want a club. Would you work with millions in the bank? Why are people so upset he isn’t working? He’s minted. He’s just done ten years in a high pressure job. If he reads this board, which is highly unlikely, he would be laughing his nuts off at all the concern. Why would anyone with more money than you can shake a stick at put themselves in that position? Not everyone is that ‘driven’ that they need to be employed when it isn’t necessary. People need to get real.

[houseboy]

He actually gets mentioned more by the Anti-Dyche brigade who seem to have a huge chip on their shoulders ... well ... when I say Chip its more a sack of King Edwards

Hey Boss I don’t think that is true mate. It seems like any team that loses 4 games in a row in the PL gets their manager sacked on here and replaced by him. People do seem a bit obsessed by him I think. He’s retired on his vast wealth like you bud.

[Bosscat]

Hey Boss I don’t think that is true mate. It seems like any team that loses 4 games in a row in the PL gets their manager sacked on here and replaced by him. People do seem a bit obsessed by him I think. He’s retired on his vast wealth like you bud.

Sensible bloke and shhhhhhh about my vast wealth or they will start to send begging letters

[Pickles]

Or he doesn’t want a club. Would you work with millions in the bank? Why are people so upset he isn’t working? He’s minted. He’s just done ten years in a high pressure job. If he reads this board, which is highly unlikely, he would be laughing his nuts off at all the concern. Why would anyone with more money than you can shake a stick at put themselves in that position? Not everyone is that ‘driven’ that they need to be employed when it isn’t necessary. People need to get real.

If I was Dyche I'd still be on a beach somewhere half way around the world. Same for Lampard. More money than you can spend. Why bother with the stress?

[brexit]

Or he doesn’t want a club. Would you work with millions in the bank? Why are people so upset he isn’t working? He’s minted. He’s just done ten years in a high pressure job. If he reads this board, which is highly unlikely, he would be laughing his nuts off at all the concern. Why would anyone with more money than you can shake a stick at put themselves in that position? Not everyone is that ‘driven’ that they need to be employed when it isn’t necessary. People need to get real.

Maybe it is simpler than that, he is waiting for a club where he can have the control and time his style needs.

[SouthLondonexile]

Surely there has to be a time where you take stock of your ability and recognise that maybe being a football manager is not the job for me.
He has shown really poor judgement.

[Spiral]

Maybe it is simpler than that, he is waiting for a club where he can have the control and time his style needs.

The point of Dycheball is that it's incredibly basic and theoretically ready to go with minimal coaching. You just need fit players who stay disciplined and make set pieces count. There's nothing even remotely close to the technical and tactical nuance of a more progressive style of football. His style doesn't warrant giving time, he'd need results immediately.

There's a masterclass on YouTube where Dyche breaks down how we beat Liverpool. Ridiculously basic principles, no real attempt to play football, just raw pragmatism. A complete imbecile could play that system.

[Spijed]

A complete imbecile could play that system.

Teams up and down the country would love to have six consecutive seasons in the Prem and get into Europe.

So why has no-one else copied that system?

[IanMcL]

Sensible bloke and shhhhhhh about my vast wealth or they will start to send begging letters

Dear Mr Bosscat

I am writing to you, as I understand you have dosh sloshing about and may need to relocate some of it.

I would be happy to take a few boxes off you, so that you are able to navigate your home again. I would also assist by spending it, so that there would be no ling term worry for you.

Your long and true friend

IanMcL

[kentonclaret]

Maybe it is simpler than that, he is waiting for a club where he can have the control and time his style needs.

The problem for waiting for a vacancy to appear at a mid-table PL club with a good squad of players (Brighton/Aston Villa for example) is that those clubs will be looking for a higher profile manager than Sean Dyche and will more than likely look abroad for an appointment.

[Spiral]

Teams up and down the country would love to have six consecutive seasons in the Prem and get into Europe.

So why has no-one else copied that system?

I'm not saying it's a bad system (I'm immensely grateful for everything Dyche did for us), I'm saying Dyche knows how to make it work, knows who he needs for it to work, and at Burnley was allowed to play that way without pressure because we were somewhat above our natural position. Bigger clubs would not tolerate some of the football we watched for the last decade, but it was a good fit for us. More than half the teams we've played this season in the championship have played the exact same way Dyche played in the PL. Teams on relatively limited budgets do try to play that way. But the point remains that it's tactically very basic and doesn't need much time to implement.

[Gaia]

Marcelo Bielsa is Farhad Moshiri’s preferred choice for Everton Manager. West Brom Manager, Carlos Corberán and Former Southampton Manager, Ralph Hasenhüttl have admirers at the club and are in contention
https://twitter.com/EvertonNewsFeed/sta ... X25Lg&s=19

[Spiral]

In fact, were there not comments or rumours that some of the players last season were quite surprised and shocked at the lack of ideas the manager and coaching staff were able to come up with when it became clear plan A was not working?

[Bosscat]

Dear Mr Bosscat

I am writing to you, as I understand you have dosh sloshing about and may need to relocate some of it.

I would be happy to take a few boxes off you, so that you are able to navigate your home again. I would also assist by spending it, so that there would be no ling term worry for you.

Your long and true friend

IanMcL

[Jakubclaret]

Surely there has to be a time where you take stock of your ability and recognise that maybe being a football manager is not the job for me.
He has shown really poor judgement.

As long as people are daft enough to keep employing him why stop, he's not done to bad out it so far I'm quite jealous actually I wish somebody would pay me sh1tloads for being crap at something.

[Colburn_Claret]

Teams up and down the country would love to have six consecutive seasons in the Prem and get into Europe.

So why has no-one else copied that system?

Because most managers, teams put style before substance. Bigger pockets, buys bigger players, but it can't buy a team. SD did what was necessary, and there were plenty of games where our style of football was brilliant, just nowhere near as many as where we had to dig in and fight for the cause.
People on both sides of the SD debate, seem to be embroidering the facts in hindsight.
I think he could be a success at Everton, given the time, but I doubt he'd get the time, especially off those toxic Everton fans.

[Jakubclaret]

vacuous as ever.

What should I say what do you want me to say, it's been coming for ages & it's eventually arrived & he's walking away with millions that's the top & bottom, I'd be interested in your insight into what's happened please feel free.

[Spijed]

I'm not saying it's a bad system (I'm immensely grateful for everything Dyche did for us), I'm saying Dyche knows how to make it work, knows who he needs for it to work, and at Burnley was allowed to play that way without pressure because we were somewhat above our natural position. Bigger clubs would not tolerate some of the football we watched for the last decade, but it was a good fit for us. More than half the teams we've played this season in the championship have played the exact same way Dyche played in the PL. Teams on relatively limited budgets do try to play that way. But the point remains that it's tactically very basic and doesn't need much time to implement.

The question is why can't anyone else on a similar budget get it to work as successfully?

[tiger76]

I was wrong about Lampard I thought he's be gone by Christmas but he survived until early 2023.

I have to have a wry smile over the excuses being served up for Lampard's failure, he did spend £60m in the summer, plus bring Tarks in on a free.

Now Everton's dire position isn't entirely down to Lampard as they've been a shambles for years, however his tenure will be classed as a poor one, although he did keep them up last season it seems that might have a temporary reprieve.

Bielsa seems to be their main target presently that will be a strange appointment in my view.

To compound Everton's woes Anthony Gordon and Amadou Onana could well be heading to Chelsea.

[bfcjg]

The media will still love and revere him....he's one of their own.

[evensteadiereddie]

As long as people are daft enough to keep employing him why stop, he's not done to bad out it so far I'm quite jealous actually I wish somebody would pay me sh1tloads for being crap at something.

Oh, I'm sure they have. Even if it's relatively speaking sh1tloads, you'll have still been paid for being crap...

[RVclaret]

Reports this morning that neither Bielsa or Thomas Frank want the job.

[Lancasterclaret]

You can see them appointing SD till the end of the season, surviving, binning him off, appointing someone who is also completely unsuitable and being in exactly the same position in a years time

They need a relegation and a complete clear out

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The question is why can't anyone else on a similar budget get it to work as successfully?

They don't have Dyche quite simply.

Look at both Utd and Arsenal, they were successful for certain periods due to the managers who'd built the clubs into what they were, Fergie and Wenger.

Dyche made it work here, he was the key.

[KRBFC]

If I was an Everton fan, I'd hate to see Dyche rock up, just screams of another desperate short sighted appointment. I'd rather see a longer term plan executed, even if that meant relegation and pressing the hard reset button which I think would be a blessing in disguise for Everton. That squad needs completely gutting out and starting over, exactly the same as us with VK.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

A relegation and reset would be perfect for a manager with a history of rebuilding a squad on a limited budget, getting them promoted and then stabilising them in the PL.

Sounds ideal for Dyche...who also has a history of staying in a job long term.

[Swizzlestick]

The 'reset button' isn't just a magic wand that enables a fresh start - it can be a the death knell for a club. While what we've done is remarkable, it was due to established solid foundations (which VK has made light of) and good decision making on and off the pitch. History is littered with clubs that dropped and never reset. They need to stay up.

[ClaretPete001]

Dyche took a small town club to a Championship win and had 7 years in the Prem' taking them to their first European trophy for over 50 years. Sam Allardyce managed to get Everton to 8th.

The worst league position Everton have had is 12th prior to Lampard under one of the elite managers in football.

Various bees in the bonnet aside Dyche looks like an appropriate appointment. Personally, I think it's not a great appointment for him because like some on here Everton fans have an exaggerated sense of their own clubs importance and I don't think they would accept him.

[martin_p]

If I was an Everton fan, I'd hate to see Dyche rock up, just screams of another desperate short sighted appointment. I'd rather see a longer term plan executed, even if that meant relegation and pressing the hard reset button which I think would be a blessing in disguise for Everton. That squad needs completely gutting out and starting over, exactly the same as us with VK.

I know quite a few Everton fans and the thought of relegation terrifies them. There’s no talk of ‘reset’, more ‘death knell’.

[ClaretPete001]

The 'reset button' isn't just a magic wand that enables a fresh start - it can be a the death knell for a club. While what we've done is remarkable, it was due to established solid foundations (which VK has made light of) and good decision making on and off the pitch. History is littered with clubs that dropped and never reset. They need to stay up.

i think it's due to PL parachute money and the serendipity of having a manager at the right time of his career available.

Saying that - off the top of my head I've seen 5 successful managers at our club (Adamson, Mullen, Ternent, Coyle and Dyche) none managed to replicate it elsewhere. Not even close albeit Dyche might yet...

[Rick_Muller]

I know quite a few Everton fans and the thought of relegation terrifies them. There’s no talk of ‘reset’, more ‘death knell’.

Coventry MKII for me - lower league wilderness trying to recover from spaffing away billions on a sh!t team...

and I'm loving it because many of their fans cant see that they're nothing special and in their lifetime (last 40 years or so) haven't been anywhere near special

[Swizzlestick]

i think it's due to PL parachute money and the serendipity of having a manager at the right time of his career available.

Saying that - off the top of my head I've seen 5 successful managers at our club (Adamson, Mullen, Ternent, Coyle and Dyche) none managed to replicate it elsewhere. Not even close albeit Dyche might yet...

PL parachute money guarantees nothing, as Watford and Norwich are finding out, while I'd say VK's appointment was more than just serendipity - we're not an easy project to sell and there were more than a few raised eyebrows at the time - https://twitter.com/F365/status/1536673 ... xSU49GD59g

[claretonthecoast1882]

I know quite a few Everton fans and the thought of relegation terrifies them. There’s no talk of ‘reset’, more ‘death knell’.

Not even having the best and shiniest ground in the Championship appeals to them.

[KRBFC]

The 'reset button' isn't just a magic wand that enables a fresh start - it can be a the death knell for a club. While what we've done is remarkable, it was due to established solid foundations (which VK has made light of) and good decision making on and off the pitch. History is littered with clubs that dropped and never reset. They need to stay up.

If they put their entire squad up for sale, I'm sure they'd bring in £150m+ in transfer fees from stupid clubs. Pl clubs are generally stupid with recruitment, someone will fork out £30m on Gordon based on a few good games because he's young. I could see Onana fetching close to £50m. Some club will take DCL for £20m+ because he scored goals once upon a time.

[KRBFC]

I know quite a few Everton fans and the thought of relegation terrifies them. There’s no talk of ‘reset’, more ‘death knell’.

What we've done is remarkable and not easy to replicate, however I'd say relegation was a blessing in disguise for us that non of us saw at the time. I agree though I'm very much talking in terms of hindsight, although I'd back Everton to bounce back with their billionaire owners and new stadium.

[martin_p]

Not even having the best and shiniest ground in the Championship appeals to them.

It’s not a joke that goes down well

[Stayingup]

I know quite a few Everton fans and the thought of relegation terrifies them. There’s no talk of ‘reset’, more ‘death knell’.

It will terrify the owners more. They are in a desperate position if they get relegated, what with the new stadium and players wages etc. Thats why they need a quick fix and maybe Sean Dyche could provide that. Who knows? Going forward a more progressive manager probably but its now that they are in crisis.

[Gaia]

Bielsa rejected Everton interest,now talking with Allardyce for a return.

[Croydon Claret]

Sean Dyche would be a big gamble for them. If you're desperate for a turnaround in fortunes then gambling isn't the best option

[Billy Balfour]

Whoever comes in next at Everton, they MUST know the club

https://twitter.com/Exploding_Heads/sta ... 9925976064