Europa League Seedings

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:10 pm

bfcmik wrote:The 5 teams we could get drawn against if UEFA follow their usual draw system of using pots of 10 are: Irtysh Pavlodar & Kairat from Kazakhstan, Rangers & Hibs from Scotland and Shakhtyor Soligorsk from Belarus - or rather the winner of their 1st qualifying round ties.

Away game at Ibrox would be rather nice.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:11 pm

Leisure wrote:Our ticket allocation would be 39 (5%)!!!!

I went to a Europa League game last season and there was just no segragation at all.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:17 pm

when is the draw ?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:18 pm

19th June

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:19 pm

Basically apart from who is seeded none of us know how the hell Uefa are going to do the draw! It seems as though they've taken geography into account the last few years, certainly in the early rounds but there's nothing official in the rules about it. Anyway in only 3 weeks time we'll have been put out of our misery, and we'll be able to start making plans!

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:21 pm

Leisure wrote:Our ticket allocation would be 39 (5%)!!!!

Imagine the nightmare of getting one

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I went to a Europa League game last season and there was just no segragation at all.

So did I and isn’t it great. No animosity, good banter, only downer was a bloody BIG drum.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:24 pm

it's nailed on for Rangers

...who put the ball in the B******s net?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:32 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Away game at Ibrox would be rather nice.

Not the home leg though!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:35 pm

jrgbfc wrote: Anyway in only 3 weeks time we'll have been put out of our misery, and we'll be able to start making plans!

No we won't, as we won't know our opponents until the completion of the 1st Round on 19th July. And that will then only give us 1 week to sort out tickets, travel, accommodation etc if we are away in the 1st leg!!!

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm

Leisure wrote:No we won't, as we won't know our opponents until the completion of the 1st Round on 19th July. And that will then only give us 1 week to sort out tickets, travel, accommodation etc if we are away in the 1st leg!!!

Well we'll know when the away leg is so the time off work can be booked at least

And there's a small chance we'll get drawn against a team who is entering in the 2nd round like us!

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:47 pm

Please could someone tell me what time the draw on the 19th is at or has this information not been released yet? I've had a Google but can't find owt.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:48 pm

Just read this -

Second qualifying round

The second qualifying round is split into two separate sections: Champions Path (for league champions) and Main Path (for cup winners and league non-champions).

The draw for the second qualifying round will be held on 19 June 2018 (after the completion of the first qualifying round draw). The first legs will be played on 26 July, and the second legs will be played on 2 August 2018.

A total of 93 teams are expected to play in the second qualifying round:

Champions Path

The 16 losers of the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League first qualifying round (seeded), and the three losers of the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League preliminary round (unseeded). One of the seeded teams will receive a bye to the third qualifying round, with how this is decided yet to be confirmed by UEFA.

Main Path

27 teams enter in this round, and 47 winners of the first qualifying round.

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By my reakoning that comes to 92 teams not 93???

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:52 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Well we'll know when the away leg is so the time off work can be booked at least
And there's a small chance we'll get drawn against a team who is entering in the 2nd round like us!

Not sure that a seeded team can be drawn against another seeded team? But who knows! The Regulations for the competition run to over 100 pages and after looking through them I'm still no nearer to knowing what benefit seeded teams get (other than going straight into the 2nd Round) and just how the draw works!!!

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Tue May 29, 2018 5:54 pm

Leisure wrote:Not sure that a seeded team can be drawn against another seeded team? But who knows! The Regulations for the competition run to over 100 pages and after looking through them I'm still no nearer to knowing what benefit seeded teams get (other than going straight into the 2nd Round) and just how the draw works!!!

Some of the teams entering at the 2nd round will be unseeded. But as you say it's more than likely that after the draw we'll have to wait for the outcome of a first round game.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:01 pm

This is what the Regulations are regarding ticketing -

Article 36 Ticketing
36.01 Home clubs must make at least 5% of the total approved UEFA capacity of their stadium available exclusively to visiting supporters, in a segregated, safe area. In addition, visiting clubs are entitled to purchase 200 top-category tickets for their VIP supporters, sponsors, etc., but they are not obliged to take the full allocation (see Articles 16 and 23 of the UEFA Stadium Infrastructure Regulations and Article 19 of the UEFA Safety and Security Regulations).
36.02 Visiting clubs which have requested an allocation of tickets for the whole or part of the segregated area may return any unused tickets to the home club without payment up to seven days prior to the match. After this deadline the visiting club must pay for the whole allocation, irrespective of whether all the tickets have been sold.
36.03 The home club may reallocate tickets returned or not requested by the visiting club provided that all safety and security measures (as mentioned in the UEFA Safety and Security Regulations) are respected and that such tickets are not reallocated to supporters of the visiting club.
36.04 The official UEFA representatives and at least 20 representatives of the visiting club and its association must be provided with complimentary top-category seats (and associated hospitality) in the VIP sector.
36.05 All visiting team ticket allocations and ticketing arrangements may be altered by written agreement between the two clubs concerned.

36.05 seems to make all the previous regulations irrelevant!

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:02 pm

Very confusing. Do we know which teams we are definately not playing ?

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:Very confusing. Do we know which teams we are definately not playing ?

All those from 8th downwards in the Premier league.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:05 pm

Blackrod wrote:Very confusing. Do we know which teams we are definately not playing ?

Blackburn Rovers.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:08 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Some of the teams entering at the 2nd round will be unseeded. But as you say it's more than likely that after the draw we'll have to wait for the outcome of a first round game.

47 unseeded teams will be in the 2nd round after winning their 1st Round games. I've still not seen anything which clarifies if the 45(?) seeded teams entering at the 2nd Round stage can be drawn against each other???

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Tue May 29, 2018 6:13 pm

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bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:06 pm

Leisure wrote:47 unseeded teams will be in the 2nd round after winning their 1st Round games. I've still not seen anything which clarifies if the 45(?) seeded teams entering at the 2nd Round stage can be drawn against each other???

There are 47 1st round winners and there are 27 new clubs entering at the 2nd round stage. The 2nd round ties are ranked/seeded and drawn on the assumption that the higher co-efficient team will win through from round 1 in each tie. Some of the 27 clubs entering at this stage will have insufficient co-efficient to be seeded. All seedings are based on the ranking of the higher of either a team's earned UEFA co-efficient or 20% of the earned national co-efficient, which is why we start with 15.297 instead of the 0.000 which would be BFC's earned co-efficient.

The 19 teams that form the Champions path group are separately seeded before they are drawn against each other (1 gets drawn a bye to R3)

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue May 29, 2018 11:08 pm

Pretty much all sides have qualified now, and they will probably rank the seeds and non-seeds, so you can see who is “opposite” us on the attached link to guess who we may get.

My total guess is Pavlodar (Kazakhstan), Split and Bucharest in Q2, Q3 and Q4. Crikey.

https://www.footballseeding.com/europea ... ing-18-19/

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:28 am

When we will see the potential candidates?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:02 am

Leisure - Are you included in article 36.04?

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:38 am

tybfc wrote:Leisure - Are you included in article 36.04?

You already know the answer to that!

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:55 am

You need a degree to understand how this competition is organized.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 8:55 am

Leisure wrote:You already know the answer to that!

You need 19 friends, of all whom I can easily find for you

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 9:52 am

Rowls wrote:You need a degree to understand how this competition is organized.

Hi Rowls - How's Montpellier? We had a great time there and it was really nice to meet up with you! As you say trying to fathom out just how the draw, seedings etc works is near impossible. The competition's Rules and Regulations runs to over 100 pages! Keep flying the flag over there! UTC

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:44 pm

tybfc wrote:You need 19 friends, of all whom I can easily find for you

Just as long as Colin isn't 1 of them!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:45 pm

Does anyone know if in the 2nd Round draw seeded teams can be drawn against each other?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:49 pm

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LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:51 pm

tybfc wrote:Beitar Jerusalem for starters please.

You can just imagine 5000 Clarets turning up for a night out on the Gaza strip.

The Gaza Strip is twinned with Nelson.

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:55 pm

Leisure wrote:Does anyone know if in the 2nd Round draw seeded teams can be drawn against each other?

The most confusing draw in history.

I think that seeded teams at the end of the draw may possibly be able to be drawn against each other.

But they seem to change their minds each week.

Just book 30 coaches and 15 planes Peter on sale or return and it should cover you.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed May 30, 2018 12:56 pm

Leisure wrote:Does anyone know if in the 2nd Round draw seeded teams can be drawn against each other?

Each team is placed on the 'seeding' list according to their co-efficient. We will be seed 12 for the 2nd round draw as it assumes the higher co-efficient team will win through their 1st round tie. The 37 highest co-efficient teams will be seeded to be drawn against the lowest 37 co-efficient teams. Same principle will apply to the draws for the 3rd round and the knockout round. 'Champions Path' teams have their own seedings and draw

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:14 pm

Over the past few years our results have mirrored the results of SC Freiburg (Germany). In 2016-2017 they finished 7th. in the Bundesliga and qualified for the Europa League. They beat NK Domzale (Slovenia) 1-0 at home on Thursday 27 July but lost 0-2 away on Thursday 03 August so were out of Europe before the season started. Last year SC Freiburg just about avoided relegation from the Bundesliga, finishing 15th. in the table.
NK Domzale are in the first qualifying round of the Europa Leage this season !!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:22 pm

Leisure wrote:Does anyone know if in the 2nd Round draw seeded teams can be drawn against each other?

Isn't that what seeding is - seeds v non seeds?

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:22 pm

We will learn if we are home or away first before the draw of the first round but do we in know when that is?

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:25 pm

MT03ALG wrote:Over the past few years our results have mirrored the results of SC Freiburg (Germany). In 2016-2017 they finished 7th. in the Bundesliga and qualified for the Europa League. They beat NK Domzale (Slovenia) 1-0 at home on Thursday 27 July but lost 0-2 away on Thursday 03 August so were out of Europe before the season started. Last year SC Freiburg just about avoided relegation from the Bundesliga, finishing 15th. in the table.
NK Domzale are in the first qualifying round of the Europa Leage this season !!

No wonder you follow SC Freiburg and NK Domzale when you watch Colne play cricket.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm

I also follow Burnley F.C. (since 1957) !!
Colne have won TWO League Matches and ONE Cup Match this season !!

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:54 pm

MT03ALG wrote:I also follow Burnley F.C. (since 1957) !!
Colne have won TWO League Matches and ONE Cup Match this season !!

I thought that you were going to say that Colne had won 3 games since 1957.

I still remember bowling to Little in 1988 and the ball landing on the car park of the Morris Dancers!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 30, 2018 1:58 pm

tybfc wrote:I thought that you were going to say that Colne had won 3 games since 1957.

I still remember bowling to Little in 1988 and the ball landing on the car park of the Morris Dancers!

tybfc bowled two overs that day I believe and took 0/21.

But Rishton did win.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:10 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Isn't that what seeding is - seeds v non seeds?

You would think so but can't see any mention of this in the Rules and Regulations. Last year 2 of the teams who entered at the 2nd Round stage (seeded teams?) played each other.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:tybfc bowled two overs that day I believe and took 0/21.

So a better than usual performance that day!

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:12 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:We will learn if we are home or away first before the draw of the first round but do we in know when that is?

The draw for the 1st and 2nd rounds takes place on 19th June.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:14 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:We will learn if we are home or away first before the draw of the first round but do we in know when that is?

If it is earlier than the date of the draw then I don't know, but all the draw and game dates are at the link

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KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:26 pm

I heard all seeded teams play away in the first leg, I looked at the draw from last year but I can't work out who the seeded teams are to see if there's any truth in that. The only one I know 100% would be seeded is Galatasaray and they're away in the 1st leg for the 2nd round draw. From a quick scan I don't see any teams from England/Spain/Italy/Germany in the 2nd round qualifying?

Edit: Turns out Everton entered at the 3rd round qualifying stage, why do we enter in the 2nd round?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/n ... 77958.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:33 pm

KRBFC wrote:I heard all seeded teams play away in the first leg, I looked at the draw from last year but I can't work out who the seeded teams are to see if there's any truth in that. The only one I know 100% would be seeded is Galatasaray and they're away in the 1st leg for the 2nd round draw. From a quick scan I don't see any teams from England/Spain/Italy/Germany in the 2nd round qualifying?

Edit: Turns out Everton entered at the 3rd round qualifying stage, why do we enter in the 2nd round?

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/n ... 77958.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As far as I can tell these teams entered the competition at the 2nd Round stage last year (Seeded?) and 2 of them played each other - Ostersund v Galatasaray

Second qualifying round
Netherlands Utrecht (PW) Greece Panionios (5th) Cyprus Apollon Limassol (CW) Israel Bnei Yehuda (CW)
Turkey Galatasaray (4th) Romania Astra Giurgiu (6th)[Note ROU] Belarus Dinamo Brest (CW) Denmark Brøndby (2nd)
Switzerland Luzern (5th) Austria Sturm Graz (3rd) Sweden Östersund (CW) Scotland Aberdeen (2nd)
Czech Republic Mladá Boleslav (4th) Croatia Hajduk Split (3rd) Norway Brann (2nd) Azerbaijan Gabala (2nd)

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:38 pm

Leisure wrote:As far as I can tell these teams entered the competition at the 2nd Round stage last year (Seeded?) and 2 of them played each other - Ostersund v Galatasaray

Second qualifying round
Netherlands Utrecht (PW) Greece Panionios (5th) Cyprus Apollon Limassol (CW) Israel Bnei Yehuda (CW)
Turkey Galatasaray (4th) Romania Astra Giurgiu (6th)[Note ROU] Belarus Dinamo Brest (CW) Denmark Brøndby (2nd)
Switzerland Luzern (5th) Austria Sturm Graz (3rd) Sweden Östersund (CW) Scotland Aberdeen (2nd)
Czech Republic Mladá Boleslav (4th) Croatia Hajduk Split (3rd) Norway Brann (2nd) Azerbaijan Gabala (2nd)

Why did Everton enter in the 3rd round of qualifying but we play in the 2nd round? It seems strange that there doesn't appear to be any English/Spanish/German/Italian clubs that entered qualifying at the 2nd round last year.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Wed May 30, 2018 3:40 pm

For the Rules and Regulations to run to over 100 pages it's some achievement for it to then be impossible to work out just what 'seeding' means! Especially when the rules go into such minute detail as to where TV cameras have to be on grounds, details on commercial rights, media etc.