Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[dandeclaret]

duplicate.

[dandeclaret]

No the lack of selling, got us a lack of funds and then a lack of investment and as a result relegation. Money doesnt grow on trees.

Or..... lack of selling secured premier league football generating the premier league income.....

[Andreshotboots]

Well there must be some optimism, excitement and anticipation somewhere as I believe the season ticket sales are cira 15,000?

[RVclaret]

Muric announced

[TickTock]

But this results in the same problem of repeated rapid player churn and overhaul, selling them on for a profit, some of that money servicing the debt, some going to the Academy, some going back into the squad so actual squad investment has a real risk of remaining static. Buy low sell high sounds great and is obviously the ideal situation for ANY club, but it's difficult to keep a cohesive, successful squad while also having high squad turnover and only reinvesting a portion of that in the squad.

we are getting 90 million in parachute payments pal thats how the debt is being serviced nothing from player sales will go to the debt, its all being reinvested.

[RVclaret]

Looks like Muric is in Portugal after all. I take it he will play tomorrow and start at Hudd.

[Lancasterclaret]

we are getting 90 million in parachute payments pal thats how the debt is being serviced nothing from player sales will go to the debt, its all being reinvested.

Thats how my fifteen year old son reckons transfers work as well

[TickTock]

Thats how my fifteen year old son reckons transfers work as well

Haha your a funny guy trying to demean my point comparing me to your child. I think a few on hear would do well to learn the saying "A man who knows most, knows what he doesnt know" far too many talk about things they dont understand or have the full picture on and jump to conclusions educate yourself if your going to have a debate or simply dont get involved otherwise you make yourself look like an idiot.

[Newcastleclaret93]

we are getting 90 million in parachute payments pal thats how the debt is being serviced nothing from player sales will go to the debt, its all being reinvested.

Where is all the money then?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looks like Muric is in Portugal after all. I take it he will play tomorrow and start at Hudd.

Yes good chance if he’s out there

I’m looking to see what he’s about. Such a mixed back of reports on him

[RVclaret]

Where is all the money then?

Seriously, why is this thread going towards financial discussion. It’s quite ironic that we’ve just announced an exciting 3m signing amongst this discussion though.

[Zlatan]

Yes good chance if he’s out there

I’m looking to see what he’s about. Such a mixed back of reports on him

certainly looks like it in the Announcement video (designed for Bart, clearly) https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... ISjZOd8YxQ

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Where is all the money then?

You do realise we have to pay wages don’t you?

[Lancasterclaret]

Haha your a funny guy trying to demean my point comparing me to your child. I think a few on hear would do well to learn the saying "A man who knows most, knows what he doesnt know" far too many talk about things they dont understand or have the full picture on and jump to conclusions educate yourself if your going to have a debate or simply dont get involved otherwise you make yourself look like an idiot.

I'm comfortable that I'm not the one making myself look like an idiot

Just check out the Magic Money Tree thread for something that dropped at the same time as the Muric signing

[Big Vinny K]

we are getting 90 million in parachute payments pal thats how the debt is being serviced nothing from player sales will go to the debt, its all being reinvested.

Now you are being a bit silly.

Where do you think the money from Wood, Pope and Collins has gone exactly ?
We already know that we have had to make a pretty significant repayment of the debt upon relegation.
And we also know that we have to service a significant amount of interest on the debt each year.

[Newcastleclaret93]

certainly looks like it in the Announcement video (designed for Bart, clearly) https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... ISjZOd8YxQ

Haha I did think that.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Muric Instagram shows him getting a train to London from Manchester last night. Wonder if he’s catching a flight to Portugal today so he can play tomorrow…

Would seem you were correct.

[RVclaret]

Would seem you were correct.

No flights from Manchester after all

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Where do you think the money from Wood, Pope and Collins has gone exactly ?

Obviously it's gone on the social media team judging by the massively improved content and video reveals

[spt_claret]

Muric announced

Well we needed a keeper in, welcome aboard Muric. He has enormous gloves to fill- the fact that a 75 cap England international was the weakest of our last 3 first team kepers, and Wales' all time most capped player was only backup, shows just how spoiled we've been. If Muric comes anywhere close to Pope or Heaton we've done very well.
Thanks for the Whoscored link earlier- somewhat more encouraging than the (older) stuff on his red card & Forest spell. The Turkish league is such a varied standard, and the other players in that team of the season are an eclectic mix, that I've no idea how good a metric of his ability it is- but if you're the best keeper in the league you're the best in the league, so it's a damn sight better than him not making the team.

[Colburn_Claret]

There's a rather glaringly obvious factor in our lack of funds beyond refusing to sell players.
Also let's not pretend that the fanbase, especially those perenially unhappy with the old regime, would have taken kindly to selling Tarkowski to Leicester 2-3 years ago, McNeil to Villa/Man U as rumoured, etc. it's extremely, extremely easy to say in hindsight that we should have sold them then. For all we know, we might have done, still not seen that money go back into the squad (especially if the claims of a rift on transfer targets is to be believed), and been relegated sooner.
Yes, lack of player trading squeezed our budget and ability to invest in the squad. So did other factors, and ultimtely, trading your best players for transfer money is by no means a guarantee of squad improvement- which is what would have been needed to extend our PL spell. We didn't have the money to just strengthen without trading our best then, we certainly don't now, but you're acting like taking that gamble 2-3 years ago was in fact an obvious route to success,obvious to everyone at the time. It wasn't then and still isn't. Our relegation came down to lots of factors. A mass squad overhaul taking every marginal transfer profit we can, and reinvesting only some of that, is not a magic fix or a quick fix- and unfortunately I remain unconvinced we can afford to stay down in the Championship for long if we have any goal of seriously returning to the PL. I hope I'm wrong, I hope we can either pull off the miracle instant rebuild, or can afford to spend 2-3 years overhauling and then bounce back and have another run in the PL. But look at how other clubs get on, sometimes with more resources than us- it's not something you see often.

A lot of what you say is reasonable, but it's not realistic.
Our only saleable assets have been the ones we bought in young. Tripps, Ings, Austin, Grey. There have been other players we could sell, but not at enough of a profit to keep the club viable. The last 10 years have been brilliant on the pitch, and we've done remarkable off it, but the lack of a turnover of players for a decent profit had finally caught up with us. We all hoped that staying in the Premier League would be enough of a turnover to stay in the fight, but even without COVID, and the loss of income, we were fighting an uphill battle. The closer we got to the pinnacle, the higher they built the damn thing. Older experienced players filled the cracks, and did a sterling job, but we were never going to make any money on them.

All these young up and coming talents we have bought this window, give us a great chance for sustainability. It only takes one of them to really hit the heights, to pay for all the rest, and make no mistake, should Twine become a star and help get us promoted, then keep it up in the Prem, he would be a hero, and also a saleable asset. The club has had to sell to survive since the 60's, against millionaire sugar daddies it's what we will have to do going forward.

[Colburn_Claret]

A lot of angst from some posters over the 'loss' of Verbruggen, but despite all the rumours that the Muric deal was dead, the promo video shows VK welcoming him to Barnfield, so obviously shot a week ago.
It seems, like many of this windows signings, that the hard work has been completed long before the official announcement.

Not a complaint, just an observation. I said earlier in the thread that I take all rumours with a pinch of salt.

[jtv]

.......the promo video shows VK welcoming him to Barnfield,

I think that in his first interview Muric mentions that he hasn't been to Gawthorpe yet

[Colburn_Claret]

I think that in his first interview Muric mentions that he hasn't been to Gawthorpe yet

Watch the video

[Mattster]

Watch the video

Which one? Link?

[burnmark]

Watch the video

Isn’t the ‘welcoming’ in Portugal?

[Colburn_Claret]

I think that in his first interview Muric mentions that he hasn't been to Gawthorpe yet

Apologies, it has a very similar colour scheme to Barnfield, but so does the Portuguese Centre. It is more likely to be there.

[boatshed bill]

So am I getting this right. Only a sensible person could see that this group of players, who they’ve not seen play together before, will not achieve promotion? So anyone who thinks the opposite, and thinks it is possible, is not sensible? Is that right?

That would appear to be the gist of it.
I am unsensible.

[jtv]

Watch the video

The one for the first interview? When VK shakes Muric's hand and welcomes him Muric is wearing the same top that he arrived in at the Portuguese training camp. I haven't been inside Gawthorpe (unfortunately) so can't tell if the room is in Burnley or Portugal but I would be very surprised if it is Gawthorpe.

Edited: just seen your latest post Colburn!

[wilks_bfc]

Watch the video

That VK welcoming him to the training camp in Portugal

Sorry seen others already said that now

[warksclaret]

Well there must be some optimism, excitement and anticipation somewhere as I believe the season ticket sales are cira 15,000?

Awesome news

[SkiptonClaret]

Striker next please. No one can be looking forward to potentially seeing Ashley on a regular basis, surely.

[warksclaret]

Where is all the money then?

Exactly-imagine if Rovers down the road had signed all the 7 or so players we have, we would be in meltdown.This is becoming an unbelievable window and maybe if we are patient a striker will arrive who will be our marquee signing

[joey13]

No flights from Manchester after all

Probably read the Manchester airport thread on here

[Nori1958]

Probably read the Manchester airport thread on here

... And went to Heathrow instead....

[AGENT_CLARET]

Striker next please. No one can be looking forward to potentially seeing Ashley on a regular basis, surely.

We still have Jay Rod

[joey13]

... And went to Heathrow instead....

At least he didn’t go via Dover

[Elizabeth]

So am I getting this right. Only a sensible person could see that this group of players, who they’ve not seen play together before, will not achieve promotion? So anyone who thinks the opposite, and thinks it is possible, is not sensible? Is that right?

I enjoy reading your posts and your chirpiness . I hope your belief stays strong if we sell your idol , McNeil

[fatboy47]

People seem extremely willing to accept that this is going to be a rebuilding season where promotion isn't the aim

It'd be just as well not to mention that in the blurb on the ST sales page.
If I thought for one minute that the club weren't arsed about promotion I wouldn't set foot in the place.

[Spijed]

It'd be just as well not to mention that in the blurb on the ST sales page.
If I thought for one minute that the club weren't arsed about promotion I wouldn't set foot in the place.

Operation "Lower Expectations" seems to be going well.

I want to get promoted ASAP and to be honest I don't care how we play if we achieve that aim.

[Woodleyclaret]

Bashley and Jay will score a bagful now we have midfield players who can attack at pace and play quick passes into feet

[Spijed]

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[Newcastleclaret93]

Bashley and Jay will score a bagful now we have midfield players who can attack at pace and play quick passes into feet

Not sure I share that optimism.

With the links we have had to strikers I would argue the manager feels similar

[gandhisflipflop]

Operation "Lower Expectations" seems to be going well.

I want to get promoted ASAP and to be honest I don't care how we play if we achieve that aim.

We used ‘operation lower expectations’ back in 2010 when it was actually relevant.

[Firthy]

Not sure I share that optimism.

With the links we have had to strikers I would argue the manager feels similar

What links. strikers are the one thing we've had very few genuine links to. But I do agree with you, we'll struggle if we start the season with Barnes and JRod as our strikers.

[Newcastleclaret93]

What links. strikers are the one thing we've had very few genuine links to. But I do agree with you, we'll struggle if we start the season with Barnes and JRod as our strikers.

Had a few Gueye, Muleka, Twine, Ugbo

Even Ohare played as a second striker on occasion

[boatshed bill]

Bashley and Jay will score a bagful now we have midfield players who can attack at pace and play quick passes into feet

I'm expecting a fair few tap-ins this season.

[warksclaret]

I am interested to see, if both Jay and Barnes feature, how the coaches get them to play.I know it was felt that the lack of creativity last year meant both hardly scored, but there is no substitute for pace. If we can retain Cornet and deploy him as an attacker then we may have solved one of the weaknesses

[Colburn_Claret]

It'd be just as well not to mention that in the blurb on the ST sales page.
If I thought for one minute that the club weren't arsed about promotion I wouldn't set foot in the place.

No one said the club aren't arsed about promotion. We all want it, but there is a reality to what we can achieve.
If you watch the video 'Kompany meets the Lads' on Clarets+, it is clear that it is going to take time. As VK said, it's a lot more complicated than spreading out and making space.
Making sure you don't overload zones of the pitch.
The weight of the pass.
The timing of runs.
The angles of the pass.
Just as SD didn't park the bus, there is a science behind everything we did, and there is a science behind everything that VK wants. He has warned the players that it could take 3, 4 or 5 months to get it right. Rather like driving a car, to the point where you can play the system 'without' thinking about it. WHEN they get it, they will love it, and so will we.
BUT, that takes time, and time means that although we want promotion it will take a very quick learning curve from all the squad, to achieve it. It also means that we fans have to be patient, and support the players when it doesn't quite come off.

[welsbyswife]

I think people are being a bit disrespectful to Jay. He is a good footballer and good finisher. He never really slotted into the Dyche 442 in my mind but knuckled down and got on with it. I'm interested to see how he does under a different style where he isn't expected to be running the channels. I think he'll do well this year.