Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[dandeclaret]

Back up to Category One football

Makes sense.

[Burnley1989]

How do you know this? Is there no way he could be a little more proactive in finding things out, rather than digging after fans on Twitter have asked him something?

Is that not what journalists do?

[ksrclaret]

Is that not what journalists do?

For football transfers? I'd suggest that there needs to be a link out there first, or else how would the fans know?

[Burnley1989]

For football transfers? I'd suggest that there needs to be a link out there first, or else how would the fans know?

Journalists can spread news quicker than a poster on twitter, I respect your view but I think I see things completely different.

Doesn't mean either of us is wrong mind..

[IanMcL]

We appear to be quite gappy selling our stars, on the cheap. Disappointing.

[RVclaret]

We appear to be quite gappy selling our stars, on the cheap. Disappointing.

What?

[Pearcey]

What?

Happy?

[Belgianclaret]

Verbruggen deal is definitely off (sauce: Belgian press)

[RVclaret]

Happy?

I got that - more so, what is he talking about?

[warksclaret]

He was behind Alan Hutton, became first choice when Hutton broke his leg and reverted to 2nd choice when Hutton returned from injury.

He was part of the reason we got promoted and had an extended stay in the PL, but according to your narrative he was lucky we signed him

Did not say that at all, nor I did not mean it that way. What I was trying to say was he was fortunate to join a club that was going to give him the opportunity , if you like, to resurrect his career . He has been a very good player for us, but I am struggling to think at which other PL club he would have played the number of PL games he went on to play.Very steady player, and one I liked but at 33 will he fit into VK's plans ?. Also I cannot see at what other PL clubs he would have gone on to play for 6 seasons and get the contract extensions he got with us. There was no offence intented or directed at him

[DukeOfBar]

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... ty-3778790

BE reporting that we've gone back for the City goalie

[It Is What It Is]

Muric on his way. DAILY MAIL. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... rnley.html

[TickTock]

We appear to be quite gappy selling our stars, on the cheap. Disappointing.

You do realise the club cant stop it right, transfers and at an academy level work differently to senior as a result they can take him and pay a compensation fee and we cant say know which is what has happened thompson wasnt involved at all in pre-season so Kompany clearly doesnt rate him, dont whinge over an academy player leaving who you have probably never seen play and who certainly isnt a star.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Did not say that at all, nor I did not mean it that way. What I was trying to say was he was fortunate to join a club that was going to give him the opportunity , if you like, to resurrect his career . He has been a very good player for us, but I am struggling to think at which other PL club he would have played the number of PL games he went on to play.Very steady player, and one I liked but at 33 will he fit into VK's plans ?. Also I cannot see at what other PL clubs he would have gone on to play for 6 seasons and get the contract extensions he got with us. There was no offence intented or directed at him

Its neither here nor there whether or not you couldn't see him at another club in the PL etc.
We had the same issue when we signed Westwood, people questioned it, didn't rate him, didn't want him etc

Both turned out to be excellence signings for us for very little money and now you're attempting to drag Lowton down.
He got the extensions because he was doing well for us, are you going to now say he didn't deserve them?

If he doesn't fit into VK's plans then that's a different issue, but at 33 we'd have to start looking for a replacement at somepoint like we did with Bardsley

[dandeclaret]

You do realise the club cant stop it right, transfers and at an academy level work differently to senior as a result they can take him and pay a compensation fee and we cant say know which is what has happened thompson wasnt involved at all in pre-season so Kompany clearly doesnt rate him, dont whinge over an academy player leaving who you have probably never seen play and who certainly isnt a star.

This however, is enabled by the drop to a Category 2 academy isn't it?

[Mattster]

You do realise the club cant stop it right, transfers and at an academy level work differently to senior as a result they can take him and pay a compensation fee and we cant say know which is what has happened thompson wasnt involved at all in pre-season so Kompany clearly doesnt rate him, dont whinge over an academy player leaving who you have probably never seen play and who certainly isnt a star.

Thompson was on a pro-deal so those rules don't apply here.

I don't think he had a future with us really, seemed to stall in his development. The likes of Mellon and Costelloe overtook him in his favoured position and Tucker in the position he got shunted to.

[TickTock]

This however, is enabled by the drop to a Category 2 academy isn't it?

We were never properly a cat 1 lol we were given it during covid I guarantee you ALK will invest to get it back to cat 1

[Newcastleclaret93]

We were never properly a cat 1 lol we were given it during covid I guarantee you ALK will invest to get it back to cat 1

We were properly a Cat 1 academy.

[NRC]

Is that not what journalists do?

the problem here is that you're casting a wide net over the term "journalist." A newspaper journalist works in paper's newsroom and/or in the field. They could be generalists or subject specialists and could be international, national, or regional/local. On top of that they could be working for a generalist outlet or a specialist one. So we now know where Boden fits within the field.

They're basically note takers; identifying potential stories, keeping a log in case one breaks or builds in its interest to the newspaper's audience - they should be taking notes, cultivating sources, analyzing events and quickly writing accurate articles. Accurate is a key word here, because there is also the category of columnist or commentator. Given the speed of journalism these days, with both the print and/or online editions, they need to be quick, prolific, and meet deadlines.

On this basis, Boden does exactly what he's supposed to be doing.

[bpgburn]

We were never properly a cat 1 lol we were given it during covid I guarantee you ALK will invest to get it back to cat 1

You do a lot of Guaranteeing Tick Tock, are you somehow connected to the club, serious question?

[BurnleyPaul]

I can see us selling Roberts if the right bid comes in.

I can see us selling EVERY player if we get the right bid in…not a slight on the club; just a statement of fact!

Without a billionaire owner every clubs is like this!

[Rileybobs]

the problem here is that you're casting a wide net over the term "journalist." A newspaper journalist works in paper's newsroom and/or in the field. They could be generalists or subject specialists and could be international, national, or regional/local. On top of that they could be working for a generalist outlet or a specialist one. So we now know where Boden fits within the field.

They're basically note takers; identifying potential stories, keeping a log in case one breaks or builds in its interest to the newspaper's audience - they should be taking notes, cultivating sources, analyzing events and quickly writing accurate articles. Accurate is a key word here, because there is also the category of columnist or commentator. Given the speed of journalism these days, with both the print and/or online editions, they need to be quick, prolific, and meet deadlines.

On this basis, Boden does exactly what he's supposed to be doing.

I’d prefer it if he got a face transplant, obtained his UEFA coaching qualifications and then infiltrated the club as a member of the coaching staff. He could then plant wire taps within the recruitment department’s office (inside the telephones, desk lamps etc) and be the first to break any big stories to the literally hundreds of interested of people who don’t even buy his newspaper anyway. It would require a lot of dedication on Boden’s part, but then no-one ever said local journalism would be easy.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I can see us selling EVERY player if we get the right bid in…not a slight on the club; just a statement of fact!

Without a billionaire owner every clubs is like this!

Can’t remember us selling every player in the past? I would say the complete opposite we regularly turned offers for our top players

[TickTock]

You do a lot of Guaranteeing Tick Tock, are you somehow connected to the club, serious question?

I am not connected to the club but I was right about the keeper wasnt I? Almost as if I knew. We were a cat 1 but there's a valid argument to state we never met the requirements to be cat 1 because our first assessment so us fail. ALK Are committed to the academy and launched numerous appeals which costed money to try and keep cat. Its not outlandish to state they will invest to get cat 1 back.

[TickTock]

Can’t remember us selling every player in the past? I would say the complete opposite we regularly turned offers for our top players

And look where it got us.

[ksrclaret]

I’d prefer it if he got a face transplant, obtained his UEFA coaching qualifications and then infiltrated the club as a member of the coaching staff. He could then plant wire taps within the recruitment department’s office (inside the telephones, desk lamps etc) and be the first to break any big stories to the literally hundreds of interested of people who don’t even buy his newspaper anyway. It would require a lot of dedication on Boden’s part, but then no-one ever said local journalism would be easy.

They did

[RVclaret]

Can’t remember us selling every player in the past? I would say the complete opposite we regularly turned offers for our top players

An unwillingness to trade our players, due to Dyche’s veto’s, led to the underinvestment in the playing squad and ultimately a deterioration in the team and relegation.

[ksrclaret]

Can’t remember us selling every player in the past? I would say the complete opposite we regularly turned offers for our top players

There is an argument to say that approach needed changing. Whether we've now gone too far the other way time will tell.

[Newcastleclaret93]

An unwillingness to trade our players, due to Dyche’s veto’s, led to the underinvestment in the playing squad and ultimately a deterioration in the team and relegation.

[Oldparkwood]

And look where it got us.

Got us 6 years in the premier league and European football. I’d take that agin!

[Newcastleclaret93]

An unwillingness to trade our players, due to Dyche’s veto’s, led to the underinvestment in the playing squad and ultimately a deterioration in the team and relegation.

It also led to 6 seasons of prem football and being able to find getting an academy to Cat 1.

I certainly don’t agree that we have to sell everyone that gets an offer just because we don’t have rich owners.

Retaining some prem talent is critical

[TickTock]

Got us 6 years in the premier league and European football. I’d take that agin!

No the lack of selling, got us a lack of funds and then a lack of investment and as a result relegation. Money doesnt grow on trees.

[TickTock]

It also led to 6 seasons of prem football and being able to find getting an academy to Cat 1.

I certainly don’t agree that we have to sell everyone that gets an offer just because we don’t have rich owners.

Retaining some prem talent is critical

Academy was not cat 1. It was given that status with no actual observation or assessment I think its quite telling that the first assessment saw it knocked back down without question it was called cat 1 but never had the staffing required to maintain that.

[NRC]

You do a lot of Guaranteeing Tick Tock, are you somehow connected to the club, serious question?

I scan posts to look for Tick Tock, RVclaret and Macca posts in particular before others....

[Newcastleclaret93]

Academy was not cat 1. It was given that status with no actual observation or assessment I think its quite telling that the first assessment saw it knocked back down without question it was called cat 1 but never had the staffing required to maintain that.

Pull the other one

[Chester Perry]

Academy was not cat 1. It was given that status with no actual observation or assessment I think its quite telling that the first assessment saw it knocked back down without question it was called cat 1 but never had the staffing required to maintain that.

Much more telling that the Academy Director that got us there and a significant number of staff that had worked with him to get there were no longer employed by the club within a year of the takeover and certainly not there when that assessment took place

[TickTock]

Much more telling that the Academy Director that got us there and a significant number of staff that had worked with him to get there were no longer employed by the club within a year of the takeover and certainly not there when that assessment took place

Definently is an aspect end of the day ownership wanted their own staff one of which was Paul Jenkins who was on that touchline with Ben and Mike and he showed more passion than anyone did when we won those games so I'm not about to sit here and slag him off or pretend he isnt interested.

[Oldparkwood]

No the lack of selling, got us a lack of funds and then a lack of investment and as a result relegation. Money doesnt grow on trees.

So what got us into the premier league? … As I didn’t realise that money didn’t grow on trees!!!! Must of been all that investment and selling of all our prized assets then

[spt_claret]

And look where it got us.

Multiple seasons of Premier League success, a top half finish? I'll even discount the European qualification because we let Gray and Keane go the summer before, but "Look where the old method got us" is a terrible argument for change when the old regime oversaw our greatest success for 50 years.

The squad certainly needed refreshing and overhauling, but it's reasonable to worry that we've lurched from one extreme- not refreshing the squad enough- to the other: refreshing it so rapidly that it risks stability and being willing to let every player go at the first sign of a profit. And the financial need to do so doesn't negate that either (although we can't discuss that in this topic). Cornet having a release clause is something we can't do much about (although we negotiated that clause, presumably). But if we start to lose Brownhill, McNeil, Taylor, Roberts, it's a legitimate cause for concern. Suddenly the only pedigree we'll have will for the most part be Cork, Barnes & Rodriguez- the exact older heads I wasn't much bothered about losing, as they haven't performed for a while (except Cork for a brief run last season, but prior to that everyone had been questioning if he was past it).

At Championship level, Pieters and probably Lennon could still have done a job for 1 year to buy more time for this transition while still giving us some experienced stability- especially given how thin on numbers we are in wide positions- and I'd rather have retained them than Barnes. Ditto Vydra if he wasn't injured- his goal record might not have been good for several years but pace and technique cost money to replace, so it's cheaper than an equivalent replacement unless his wages are astronomical. Kompany might not have wanted to keep them, we might want to get the squad age down, we might want to get the wage bill down and not be able to reach an agreeable deal- all fair reasons to not renew them in isolation. But if you let large numbers of out of contract players go, and ship out everyone who gets an 'acceptable' transfer offer (which might not be everyone's idea of acceptable) or is just an older head who is wanted elsewhere (Hennessey) that is an enormous rebuilding task, and not one that generally results in success anytime quickly.

Absolutely none of this is a knock on Kompany or the incoming players either- the young defenders do concern me a little as an inexperienced backline & keeper is such a contrast to what we've had for so long and could take a while to gel, but they could well become top players. Cullen seems integral to Kompany's system, Twine has a good profile with potential to step up, Bastien is the exact position we've needed for a while. It's simply a statement that radical overhauls of the entire squad coupled with a high rate of player churn pose a challenge for a squad to knit together quick enough to have success, that lack of experience or continuity makes that harder still, and that for all the talk of a 'rebuilding season'- the longer you take to bounce back the harder it gets, if we don't go up immediately a number of other objectives (Cat 1 status for example) become much harder to ever regain, and club finances & player ambitions mean that another summer of player churn is more likely- we might end up being forced to sell on again next summer. Constant turnover of players at that rate makes building a foundation for success extremely difficult, and even massive clubs like PSG or Man United have found that even with limitless resources to bring in the world's best, it's not always as simple as just signing a batch of players and sticking them in your preferred formation. Things take time to gel, might not gel, and the bigger the overhaul the bigger the risk.

People seem extremely willing to accept that this is going to be a rebuilding season where promotion isn't the aim, and it astounds me for a number of reasons. Not the least because the people now perfectly content to rebuild in the Championship for a couple of seasons, were often happy to rubbish Premier League survival as lacking ambition. And if we enter the season with an attitude of not aiming for promotion, we probably won't achieve it.

[bpgburn]

I am not connected to the club but I was right about the keeper wasnt I? Almost as if I knew.

Yes it seems you was right, hopefully your "We will get at least on striker likely two by deadline day" will also come to pass.

[spt_claret]

We were never properly a cat 1 lol we were given it during covid I guarantee you ALK will invest to get it back to cat 1

If they were going to do that the time to do it was in the 18 months they had to ensure everything was up to grade for the final licence check after covid. Not the least because we still had PL money then. Instead they cut academy staff numbers and sacked the academy manager.
The financial picture in the Championship is completely different- how will they find the money to invest to get to Cat 1, without promotion? Serious question.

[TickTock]

Yes it seems you was right, hopefully your "We will get at least on striker likely two by deadline day" will also come to pass.

I spoke to Nixon on patreon DM's hes confirmed we are very active in looking for a striker we have 5 weeks to secure one so I am not concerned at all in that regard if we get the lad from Metz it is all good until someone leaves in which case we just have to replace that individual.

[TickTock]

If they were going to do that the time to do it was in the 18 months they had to ensure everything was up to grade for the final licence check after covid. Not the least because we still had PL money then. Instead they cut academy staff numbers and sacked the academy manager.
The financial picture in the Championship is completely different- how will they find the money to invest to get to Cat 1, without promotion? Serious question.

By buying players with a high uptick think its quite obvious what the plan is.

[spt_claret]

No the lack of selling, got us a lack of funds and then a lack of investment and as a result relegation. Money doesnt grow on trees.

There's a rather glaringly obvious factor in our lack of funds beyond refusing to sell players.
Also let's not pretend that the fanbase, especially those perenially unhappy with the old regime, would have taken kindly to selling Tarkowski to Leicester 2-3 years ago, McNeil to Villa/Man U as rumoured, etc. it's extremely, extremely easy to say in hindsight that we should have sold them then. For all we know, we might have done, still not seen that money go back into the squad (especially if the claims of a rift on transfer targets is to be believed), and been relegated sooner.
Yes, lack of player trading squeezed our budget and ability to invest in the squad. So did other factors, and ultimtely, trading your best players for transfer money is by no means a guarantee of squad improvement- which is what would have been needed to extend our PL spell. We didn't have the money to just strengthen without trading our best then, we certainly don't now, but you're acting like taking that gamble 2-3 years ago was in fact an obvious route to success,obvious to everyone at the time. It wasn't then and still isn't. Our relegation came down to lots of factors. A mass squad overhaul taking every marginal transfer profit we can, and reinvesting only some of that, is not a magic fix or a quick fix- and unfortunately I remain unconvinced we can afford to stay down in the Championship for long if we have any goal of seriously returning to the PL. I hope I'm wrong, I hope we can either pull off the miracle instant rebuild, or can afford to spend 2-3 years overhauling and then bounce back and have another run in the PL. But look at how other clubs get on, sometimes with more resources than us- it's not something you see often.

[spt_claret]

By buying players with a high uptick think its quite obvious what the plan is.

But this results in the same problem of repeated rapid player churn and overhaul, selling them on for a profit, some of that money servicing the debt, some going to the Academy, some going back into the squad so actual squad investment has a real risk of remaining static. Buy low sell high sounds great and is obviously the ideal situation for ANY club, but it's difficult to keep a cohesive, successful squad while also having high squad turnover and only reinvesting a portion of that in the squad.

[Hipper]

People seem extremely willing to accept that this is going to be a rebuilding season where promotion isn't the aim, and it astounds me for a number of reasons. Not the least because the people now perfectly content to rebuild in the Championship for a couple of seasons, were often happy to rubbish Premier League survival as lacking ambition. And if we enter the season with an attitude of not aiming for promotion, we probably won't achieve it.

I accept not because that is what I want but because I don't see how the current bunch of players can achieve promotion. Surely no sensible person can.

The more intriguing question is 'does the Board accept this view', or, 'does it really think this management and squad of players can achieve promotion'. If the latter, perhaps they are not in the right business!

(and I hope someone remembers this post and in nine months time throws it in my face as Burnley sail to promotion)

[RVclaret]

I accept not because that is what I want but because I don't see how the current bunch of players can achieve promotion. Surely no sensible person can.

So am I getting this right. Only a sensible person could see that this group of players, who they’ve not seen play together before, will not achieve promotion? So anyone who thinks the opposite, and thinks it is possible, is not sensible? Is that right?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Looks like we have took another loan out on the outstanding Pope transfer. Wonder why the money is so desperately needed.

Wonder if we will do the same with Collins also.

[RVclaret]

Looks like we have took another loan out on the outstanding Pope transfer. Wonder why the money is so desperately needed.

Wonder if we will do the same with Collins also.

‘No financial discussion’

There are already 2 threads discussing it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

‘No financial discussion’

There are already 2 threads discussing it.

Didn’t see that.

Delete as necessary mods