Transfer Rumours Thread - NO FINANCIAL DISCUSSION

[Mrpotatohead]

Why would we sell Roberts for £6m ? As a full international and a proven good defender right sided attacker we need to be asking North of £20m .

I think the chance of getting a fee like that is somewhere around non existant.

[tiger76]

Why would we sell Roberts for £6m ? As a full international and a proven good defender right sided attacker we need to be asking North of £20m .

No chance we get anywhere close to £20m for Roberts, about 10-12m maybe if there's PL interest.

[Top Claret]

Why would we sell Roberts for £6m ? As a full international and a proven good defender right sided attacker we need to be asking North of £20m .

You must live in cloud Cuckoo land

[NewClaret]

Last news on him from Romano was he'd cost over €10m and has a lot of options, including Serie A clubs.

Like you say, not a realistic or affordable signing for us unfortunately.

The rumour was £8m. If you signed him on a 4 year deal, that’s maybe only £2m up front. Although I think Bayern’s bargaining position reduces as you get nearer the end of the window, I’d have thought.

Not sure what the situation is with wages. He’s sledge fly on £13k/pw currently, so I’d think we could better that. Hopefully the VK-factor could play a part, but not sure how well they got on at Anderlecht?

If we’re supposedly selling Pope for £10m, Collins for £20m, Cornet for £17.5m, presumably we can afford a couple of £m outlay on a striker? May need to sell him on if we don’t go up, but that’s the model anyway?

I think we’ve signed good young players this summer but all of them are players you’d expect us to be able to attract from smaller clubs, youth teams or loans. I’m hoping before the window closes we’ve got one or two “bigger” signings up our sleeve.

[Big Vinny K]

Why would we sell Roberts for £6m ? As a full international and a proven good defender right sided attacker we need to be asking North of £20m .

Is that the same full international who we bought for around £2m not that long ago ?
What do you think he has done since then to justify a tenfold increase in value
Up until not that long ago Chris Gunter was still playing for Wales - as brilliantly as they have done to reach the World Cup the size of the nation means they have always had lower league players break through like Roberts.
£6m sounds about right for a player who has been decent in the championship but struggled to step up into the Premier League

[NewClaret]

Try be remotely realistic. We have just sold one of the most promising young CBs in England for 20m

How in gods name would a 26 year old right back be worth remotely similar

That may have been due to a release clause according to Jason O Connor tbf. That’s the only reason I can see us selling so early in the window.

[SkiptonClaret]

I think Lowton can get up and down, as well as any. I suspect he may be overlooked, in favour of a Kompany signing, until it is a stark reality that we need him.

It’s a new era, Ian. I know it’s hard but you have to let the Jurassic age go.

[warksclaret]

Do we know why the great bulk of the recent purchases, plus the most reliable rumours of new incomings, features defenders. Rodriguez or Barnes have yet to score in pre-season, and without looking I guess they will have scored a max of 4 league goals between them for the whole of last season.Very worrying

[Mattster]

The rumour was £8m. If you signed him on a 4 year deal, that’s maybe only £2m up front. Although I think Bayern’s bargaining position reduces as you get nearer the end of the window, I’d have thought.

Not sure what the situation is with wages. He’s sledge fly on £13k/pw currently, so I’d think we could better that. Hopefully the VK-factor could play a part, but not sure how well they got on at Anderlecht?

If we’re supposedly selling Pope for £10m, Collins for £20m, Cornet for £17.5m, presumably we can afford a couple of £m outlay on a striker? May need to sell him on if we don’t go up, but that’s the model anyway?

I think we’ve signed good young players this summer but all of them are players you’d expect us to be able to attract from smaller clubs, youth teams or loans. I’m hoping before the window closes we’ve got one or two “bigger” signings up our sleeve.

Why quote only a hypothetical upfront fee for a potential signing and then the full fees for our sales? You can't say what fee Bayern would want up front, just because a player could sign on a 4 year deal doesn't mean that installments would be equally split into 4 installments.

Latest from Romano says over €10m, it's more recent and from a more reliable source. Even if we were willing to spend that much on him I doubt he chooses the Championship over a top 5 league like Serie A.

Just don't think it's a realistic signing for us in the Championship, personally.

[SkiptonClaret]

Do we know why the great bulk of the recent purchases, plus the most reliable rumours of new incomings, features defenders. Rodriguez or Barnes have yet to score in pre-season, and without looking I guess they will have scored a max of 4 league goals between them for the whole of last season.Very worrying

Agree - we need to focus on the forwards. Barnes should have been out of the door by now.

[NewClaret]

This has me a little worried this move, if true.

Looks like we are going all out young players, and anyone who can command a fee out the door.

We certainly needed some young ones in the team but at a balance, we have 2 very good right backs for the championship at the club and have added the young lad from City.

Looks like Roberts and Lowton could be going?

For us to get youngsters cheap, improve, sell and make a profit will be hard at the minute as there's not much money floating about and every club wants high clauses inserting.

Likewise. Some of these alleged links are a worry. If we’re going for the absolute best young talent across Europe, fair enough, but some of the links don’t fall in to that category imo.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Do we know why the great bulk of the recent purchases, plus the most reliable rumours of new incomings, features defenders. Rodriguez or Barnes have yet to score in pre-season, and without looking I guess they will have scored a max of 4 league goals between them for the whole of last season.Very worrying

We lost more from our defence than anywhere else didn't we?

We've been linked with several forwards over the last few weeks, it's just a case of getting them over the line

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Agree - we need to focus on the forwards. Barnes should have been out of the door by now.

Just extended his contract by a year, he won't be gone till next summer.

[RVclaret]

Likewise. Some of these alleged links are a worry. If we’re going for the absolute best young talent across Europe, fair enough, but some of the links don’t fall in to that category imo.

‘Best young talent in Europe’ - we are in the Championship.

If you expect us to be going for the best young talent in Europe then I can see why you’d be disappointed.

[warksclaret]

We lost more from our defence than anywhere else didn't we?

We've been linked with several forwards over the last few weeks, it's just a case of getting them over the line

Don't get me wrong, I am confident we will get one or two over the line.Guess it might get like a pack of cards with an outgoing or two(Cornet and maybe McNeil and Roberts too) enabling the purchase of slightly higher fee strikers than the fee we paid for the first 8 through the door. Just hope if any go, its sooner rather than on the eve of the window closing. THats happened before to us.

[IanMcL]

Agree - we need to focus on the forwards. Barnes should have been out of the door by now.

He will score lots in the Championship.

Youngsters wet behind the ears.

[warksclaret]

He will score lots in the Championship.

Youngsters wet behind the ears.

I admire your confidence about Barnes

[Quicknick]

I admire your confidence about Barnes

If he's free of injuries, I also think he's capable of scoring a lot in the Championship.

[SkiptonClaret]

I admire your confidence about Barnes

You mean delusion.

[tiger76]

Agree - we need to focus on the forwards. Barnes should have been out of the door by now.

We had no choice but to extend Barnes contract as he triggered this due to hitting appearances I believe.

I have grave doubts over whether Ash will bag many in the Champ, he's ageing and has just had a long-term injury, if he proves me wrong I'll be delighted, but either way we need at least 1 new striker in this window, as it's asking a lot to expect Barnes and Jay Rod to play every game.

Cornet I fully expect to leave, and although Twine might be an option he's not a natural forward.

Richardson is a possible bench option, but again there's question marks over his fitness also.

[winsomeyen]

You must live in cloud Cuckoo land

no,I believe he lives in Woodley, the clue is in his username

[Woodleyclaret]

The reason why Ash and Jayrod haven't score in pre season friendlies is because we have played some training games with players rotated in games, hardly good preparation.

[Conroy92]

Why would we sell Roberts for £6m ? As a full international and a proven good defender right sided attacker we need to be asking North of £20m .

North of 20m for Roberts

[boyyanno]

Roberts North of 20m

What planet are some people on? He had a crack at the PL last year and was poor, he still might come good but I've not seen anything to suggest he's worth 8-10m yet, let alone 20.

[Rileybobs]

We should be looking at a minimum of £40m for Roberts. He’s a full Welsh international for goodness’ sake.

[Hipper]

North of 20m for Roberts

Perhaps the Earth's magnetic field has done one of it's switches:

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featu ... ersal.html

[NewClaret]

Why quote only a hypothetical upfront fee for a potential signing and then the full fees for our sales? You can't say what fee Bayern would want up front, just because a player could sign on a 4 year deal doesn't mean that installments would be equally split into 4 installments.

Latest from Romano says over €10m, it's more recent and from a more reliable source. Even if we were willing to spend that much on him I doubt he chooses the Championship over a top 5 league like Serie A.

Just don't think it's a realistic signing for us in the Championship, personally.

To your first question, because we seem to be receiving the full fees up front via Macquarie. What that’s being spent on is a different debate!! But you’d assume ALK would realise that for the model to work at all, some of it will need to be reinvested in players.

Re: Serie A, yes I can see that’s likely a more attractive league than the Championship. Hence saying for us to be in the running we’d likely be relying on a good relationship between player and manager and also expecting a sale if we don’t make an immediate return to the PL (which id assume is a more attractive prospect than Serie A, so we at least have that prospect to offer).

Re: fee, £8m is €9.4, so not too far apart notwithstanding the “over” comment. I think what they want and will accept may change over time as the window runs down because they’ll get little/nothing in Jan if they don’t strike a deal and that might be ultimately what the player wants anyway.

I divided the payments equally as I thought that was the most common approach (suspect that’s what happened with Pope & Collins deal will be telling). But irrespective of the up front portion, my point was more that it won’t all be up front and you can easily see a scenario where he’d be worth double the muted £8/€10m after a good season in the Championship, so for a couple of £m upfront could be viewed more for the opportunity than the cost.

But we’re not disagreeing - would be a HUGE signing if we could pull it off. And we wouldn’t even be discussing it had he not played under VK before. I’m more saying it’s the type of signing I’d like us to be making now - a couple of statement ones to round off the summer.

Although, I’m not sure where we’re going to get a good striker any cheaper than £8m really. Possibly Ugbo? I thought Muleka was a good option at the proposed £3.5m. The Cov & Swansea strikers would be a lot more, I’d have thought. If we want an established striker we’ll need to shell out.

[Woodleyclaret]

We are quoted top money for O'Hare so why not ask top money for our proven Premier league players not undervalue them. Leeds have many faults but selling players isn't one, getting top dollar for players who achieved little last season.

[Rileybobs]

We are quoted top money for O'Hare so why not ask top money for our proven Premier league players not undervalue them. Leeds have many faults but selling players isn't one, getting top dollar for players who achieved little last season.

Are Kalvin Phillips and Raphina better than Roberts? We bought Roberts for approx £2.5m less than 12 months ago, during which time he looked largely out of his depth and was part of a team that was relegated. In what world do you think anyone would pay £20m for him?

[taio]

We are quoted top money for O'Hare so why not ask top money for our proven Premier league players not undervalue them. Leeds have many faults but selling players isn't one, getting top dollar for players who achieved little last season.

It's totally unrealistic to suggest we should ask for £20m+ for Roberts. In fact it's an outrageous suggestion and any club that might be interested would I'm sure find it laughable.

[ClaretTony]

Why would we sell Roberts for £6m ? As a full international and a proven good defender right sided attacker we need to be asking North of £20m .

I’m not suggesting that we are looking to sell Roberts but if we’re and we’re asking for £20m then he wouldn’t be going anywhere.

[tiger76]

We are quoted top money for O'Hare so why not ask top money for our proven Premier league players not undervalue them. Leeds have many faults but selling players isn't one, getting top dollar for players who achieved little last season.

We can ask top money, but it's arguable whether Roberts is a proven PL player. Cov might well be quoting £10m+ for O'Hare but it doesn't mean they'll get it.

Regarding the comparison with Leeds they're still in the Prem, and with all due respect to our squad we don't have players as good as Phillips and Raphinha that's just a reality.

[Tricky Trevor]

He will score lots in the Championship.
Youngsters wet behind the ears.

He’s never been a prolific goalscorer, including in the Championship. I can’t see any reason that would be different this season. As a foil for a player like Delap he would be worth his place but still behind Jay for me.

[NewClaret]

‘Best young talent in Europe’ - we are in the Championship.

If you expect us to be going for the best young talent in Europe then I can see why you’d be disappointed.

Obviously I meant it in the context of what’s achievable for us; I meant players representing their country at youth level who are in a smaller league or at a bigger club but wanting game time, etc. not Camavinga! I just can’t believe that Gabriel falls in to that category.

[beddie]

I’m really hoping a striker is due through the door shortly, we’re only days away from kick off and with all due respect to Barnes and Jay I’d like an upgrade.

[warksclaret]

Barnes-10 PL goals in 3 seasons. Thats what I would have expected from Tarks, Mee or Collins. No way Barnes is going to get the goals required from a main striker. As SD would say he can be the "padding" to the forwards, so can call on him during injuries/suspensionss

[Bigvince]

Don’t think Ashley Barnes was ever fully fit last season

[Ric_C]

Forest after this guy. If it comes off surely they won't pursue Cornet any further?

https://twitter.com/Ekremkonur/status/1 ... 1bNOg&s=19

[Top Claret]

We need to be playing Cornet through out August and sell at the death if at all, to have any chance of a promotion push

[mybloodisclaret]

Unless he is injured or a deal is in place for him he must play. Our best player.

[RVclaret]

He hasn’t played a minute in pre season friendlies, that suggests he will not be featuring for us anytime soon

[Pickles]

Nearly choked on my dinner at someone suggesting twenny mill for Roberts. Julia Roberts, maybe.

[NewClaret]

He hasn’t played a minute in pre season friendlies, that suggests he will not be featuring for us anytime soon

Agreed. But I think that’s a ridiculous situation when we’re paying his wages and have 17% of our games in August.

[123EasyasBFC]

Is there any names rumoured since the o’hare deal is off? Other than Bertrand traore that doesn’t seem a concrete link

[KRBFC]

He’s never been a prolific goalscorer, including in the Championship. I can’t see any reason that would be different this season. As a foil for a player like Delap he would be worth his place but still behind Jay for me.

Barnes has hit double figures in the PL a few times I think, pretty sure Rodriguez never has.

[Papabendi]

Barnes has hit double figures in the PL a few times I think, pretty sure Rodriguez never has.

15 in 30 odd for Southampton.

[Tricky Trevor]

Barnes has hit double figures in the PL a few times I think, pretty sure Rodriguez never has.

That’s not prolific to me.

[taio]

Barnes has hit double figures in the PL a few times I think, pretty sure Rodriguez never has.

Barnes has hit double figures once with 12 goals. Rodriguez got 15 one season and has more PL goals than Barnes.

[gandhisflipflop]

If we are going from our squad now. I’d want cornet to be playing up front.

Muric

Roberts. Mcnally. THB. Taylor

........cork. Cullen

........Bastien. Brownhill

........cornet. Twine.

[mybloodisclaret]

If we are going from our squad now. I’d want cornet to be playing up front.

Muric

Roberts. Mcnally. THB. Taylor

........cork. Cullen

........Bastien. Brownhill

........cornet. Twine.

Would try and find a way in for Maatsen.