Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[RVclaret]

Has the club made a silly mistake then? Looks like it.

I’ve mentioned this on several threads already but happy to do so again to avoid this speculation. Massengo spent 3 full seasons with Bristol City before/while turning 21 so he counts as homegrown under EFL rules.

[123EasyasBFC]

Yes, it looks like terms are agreed with Chelsea.
I assume we're selling O'Shea.

The are obviously big links to O’Shea but I don’t think a left footed 21 year old from Chelsea who’s had one loan spell in England is a direct replacement for O’Shea.

At Fulham Parker when to a back 3 in some games and I could see that this season

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Yes, it looks like terms are agreed with Chelsea.
I assume we're selling O'Shea.

Not fully sure it means Do'S is off (perhaps that is heart over head talking). He could just a good young talent identified for the right price and also coming in to cover other departures like McNally, Ekdal and Delcroix.

Another homegrown player at least

[boatshed bill]

I’ve mentioned this on several threads already but happy to do so again to avoid this speculation. Massengo spent 3 full seasons with Bristol City before/while turning 21 so he counts as homegrown under EFL rules.

Not according to poster mdd2

[RVclaret]

Not according to poster mdd2

mdd2 needs to re-check the EFL rules then.

[claretskeith]

Yes, it looks like terms are agreed with Chelsea.
I assume we're selling O'Shea.

Makes more send that he'd be replacing Delcroix.

[kentonclaret]

Yes, it looks like terms are agreed with Chelsea.
I assume we're selling O'Shea.

In the concluding episode of Mission To Burnley 2 I am sure that Vincent told Alan that this season’s Championship team should be built around a core of players that included Darra O’Shea.
Whether Alan was listening or even agreed I don’t know.

[claretskeith]

Whether Alan was listening.

The big question.

[mkmel]

Was Bashir Humphreys in the same England U21's team or at least the squad as James Trafford?

The one that won the U21's Euros I mean.

[123EasyasBFC]

In the concluding episode of Mission To Burnley 2 I am sure that Vincent told Alan that this season’s Championship team should be built around a core of players that included Darra O’Shea.
Whether Alan was listening or even agreed I don’t know.

Kompany was talking so Alan was certainly listening, if there’s anything to take come series 2 it’s that kompany seems to be the only person Alan does listen to

[johnnyjones]

Was Bashir Humphreys in the same England U21's team or at least the squad as James Trafford?

The one that won the U21's Euros I mean.

Doesnt look like it but he he was part of the 2022 Euro under 19 winners along with Ramsey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_UEFA ... ds#England

[Kevwando]

Ipswich want O’Shea for 10m according to Nixon

[claretskeith]

Then give us £30 million.

[ksrclaret]

lol at £10m.

Double it and we’ll have to come to the table.

[ArmchairDetective]

Ipswich want O’Shea for 10m according to Nixon

I want a pie for £2 on the Turf. Unfortunately I've got to go somewhere else to get it.

[123EasyasBFC]

Ipswich have just spent 15m on greaves and they think they can get O’Shea for 10m

[NottsClaret]

£10m? Is his contract up next summer? Or are we in administration? They’re the only two reasons I can think of.

[billyhamilton82]

The are obviously big links to O’Shea but I don’t think a left footed 21 year old from Chelsea who’s had one loan spell in England is a direct replacement for O’Shea.

At Fulham Parker when to a back 3 in some games and I could see that this season

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

Especially when someone stated on here that he is able to play across all of the back four, left and right.

Perfect player to have in the centre of O'Shea and Esteve with Pires and Vitinho as wing backs.

[boatshed bill]

I wouldn't be too fussed if he went, but not given away.

[fatboy47]

Ipswich have just spent 15m on greaves and they think they can get O’Shea for 10m

He spent last season being pumped on a weekly basis.Doubt he'll fancy a repeat.

[123EasyasBFC]

He spent last season being pumped on a weekly basis.Doubt he'll fancy a repeat.

I was saying this on turf at weekend, I know prem clubs can double your wages for 12 months but going to a team like Ipswich who are likely to come back down and have your wages reduced again, aren’t you better staying at Burnley who are in a good position to go back up

[RVclaret]

£10m isn’t nearly consistent with the ‘large transfer fee’ and Brentford being unable to get there yet that Sky have been insistent on ever since they broke this.

[Pickles]

Ipswich need to double their bid just for Pace to open the email.

[Hipper]

Arblaster at Sheff Utd attracting interest-

https://x.com/mcgrathmike/status/182546 ... 80165?s=46

I was quietly impressed with him in Sheff U's first league match.

[Ric_C]

Wasn't it Ipswich and their fans all over twitter saying 15 million for Odobert, take it or leave it only a few weeks ago lol?

[fatboy47]

Wasn't it Ipswich and their fans all over twitter saying 15 million for Odobert, take it or leave it only a few weeks ago lol?

Typical bumptious response from excited small-time newbies.
We've spent 8 or so of the last 10 years in the Prem....as against their one game.

[NewClaret]

Assignon off to Roma apparently. Some incredible moves for our team last season:

Kompany - Bayern
Assignon - Roma
Odobert - Spurs
Berge - Man U???

Shows what we’re up against when you have the type of quality that allows people to get moves to these clubs and we can’t make a proper fist of staying up.

[ArmchairDetective]

Assignon off to Roma apparently. Some incredible moves for our team last season:

Kompany - Bayern
Assignon - Roma
Odobert - Spurs
Berge - Man U???

Shows what we’re up against when you have the type of quality that allows people to get moves to these clubs and we can’t make a proper fist of staying up.

Could add Maatsen to Dortmund then Villa and Tella to Leverkusen to that list.

Shows me that our recruitment process, albeit with its apparent faults, has led to us unearthing some gems. Berge was of course already unearthed but you get my point. Sell those gems high and we have a sustainable model.

[warksclaret]

Posters who say O Shea can go, really under estimate his value to our team, and for me there is no one else who can play to his aggressive style within our squad, or provide the same threat in the opposition box.Also other than Esteve and McNally we have a huge injury record with our centre halves. Of course at a price we would have no option to take the money, but that figure has to be a minimum of £20m. Once we know O Shea is styling then we will sell McNally who I suspect will have a few Championship sides chasing him. Surprised Delcroix is still with us, and decisions will need to be made on the other three centre halves

[Big Vinny K]

Wasn't it Ipswich and their fans all over twitter saying 15 million for Odobert, take it or leave it only a few weeks ago lol?

Sounds very much how we negotiated on buying players under Garlick / Dyche.

[burnley007]

Sounds very much how we negotiated on buying players under Garlick / Dyche.

Funny, because it's true.

[brexit]

Bashir humphreys having medical today

Right back?

[NewClaret]

Right back?

LCB

[AGENT_CLARET]

Only if we needed a coach

Exactly what I was thinking, also a back up CB and good to have around a club he knows

[TheFamilyCat]

Could add Maatsen to Dortmund then Villa and Tella to Leverkusen to that list.

Shows me that our recruitment process, albeit with its apparent faults, has led to us unearthing some gems. Berge was of course already unearthed but you get my point. Sell those gems high and we have a sustainable model.

Only if you buy the gems. We have helped three of those to get their moves but earned nothing for it.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

DOS would be a huge loss IMHO.
As good as it gets at this level, him and Steve, and a big goal threat.
UTC

[NewClaret]

Could add Maatsen to Dortmund then Villa and Tella to Leverkusen to that list.

Shows me that our recruitment process, albeit with its apparent faults, has led to us unearthing some gems. Berge was of course already unearthed but you get my point. Sell those gems high and we have a sustainable model.

I agree. Positives for me are:

- We clearly are having great success in recruitment. It’s maybe not perfect (is any clubs) but from where it was a few years back I think it’s come a long way.

- For any young player we must now be a really appealing prospect. I think you can see this starting to come in to play with Humphreys and Mendes. Their agents also will be seeing this and they’re probably as important as the players themselves.

Negatives:

- I don’t think we’ve nailed the selling part. I think in a season or two we’ll start to see Odobert’s fee as something of a bargain, for example. When you consider Palace and Bournemouth can hold on for €60m+ now for their best players, that has to be the goal.

- Although it’s definitely showing signs of becoming a ‘sustainable model’, losing your best players every year is frustrating and I’m not sure we have a “core” of premier league players yet so any more we sell this summer makes me feel we’re further away than ever to creating one.

[NewClaret]

Posters who say O Shea can go, really under estimate his value to our team, and for me there is no one else who can play to his aggressive style within our squad, or provide the same threat in the opposition box.Also other than Esteve and McNally we have a huge injury record with our centre halves. Of course at a price we would have no option to take the money, but that figure has to be a minimum of £20m. Once we know O Shea is styling then we will sell McNally who I suspect will have a few Championship sides chasing him. Surprised Delcroix is still with us, and decisions will need to be made on the other three centre halves

Agree with this. To be honest, I’m getting pretty worried that Pace & Co are going to underestimate the value that players like Berge and O’Shea will bring to the squad over a gruelling season and assume they can replace them easily with the next batch of talent.

O’Shea’s goal threat is worth £20m to us at least over the course of the season.

[mdd2]

I’ve mentioned this on several threads already but happy to do so again to avoid this speculation. Massengo spent 3 full seasons with Bristol City before/while turning 21 so he counts as homegrown under EFL rules.

Currently, to be classified as homegrown one must be on an English team for at least three years before the age of twenty-one[4]
Massengo was 21 July 7th 2022 and signed for Bristol in August 5th 2019 aged 18 years and 2 weeks so he played 2019-20, 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 being 20 at the end of that season so just makes it as homegrown.
We have at present Trafford, O'Shea, Cullen,Jay, Brownhill, Roberts, Redmond, Obafemi,and Massengo who are home grown who could go into the 25man squad. We do of course have a number under 21 year olds who are home grown, Ramsay, Egan-Riley, Dodson, Casper and Agyei who are listed in our first team squad and can be called upon to make up the 7 for matchday home grown player but we have to have a club developed player in the match day squad too.
A club developed player is any player who was at the club for 'at least 12 months prior to the end of his Under 19 season'; basically, anyone who was signed to the club for at least a year as a teenager (even if they were out on loan).
Over 21 player who fits that is Jay. Looks like we could have a few on the subs bench just to make up the numbers.
If you dont name a club developed player you can only have 8 subs

[brexit]

LCB

Thanks

[LongsideClaret]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

[RVclaret]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

Take it that means Fulham. And disappointed we are only wanting £15m for O’Shea.

[Big Vinny K]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

If that club is Fulham that feels to me like a really good fit. They need to replace Paulinha I guess and looked a little short in midfield last Friday. Would love to keep Berge but realistically I doubt we will. For Berge himself moving to a club like Fulham would at least mean he’s got a great chance of playing every week. United is such a toxic club and the sense of entitlement from their fans who will no doubt be turning their noses up at buying a player from Burnley means players are under unfair pressure to perform from the start.

[randomclaret2]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

Any news on incomings ? ....We're going to be around £100m in sales if those 3 go

[JimmyRobbo]

DOS has certain characteristics that I don't see many of our CDs having.

He is aggressive, quick and attacks our corners. None of the others appear to have 2 of those traits.

15m would be very cheap. I think 20m would be the least I'd want to accept. Easy to say from the outside without knowing all the facts.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Ipswich want O’Shea for 10m according to Nixon

I want Harry Kane for 3m

[Commy]

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

It might force United to make a decision. Pay up or bugger off.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I expect us to rake in well over £100m now and be financially solid. What I don't want is for it to get up to £130m-£150m as that is a major rebuild.

Keeping Amdouni, Foster, Esteve and Koleosho feels really important

[AGENT_CLARET]

Looks like Vitinho could be gone for around 8m, Massive profit if true but a bonkers sale

[RVclaret]

Looks like Vitinho could be gone for around 8m, Massive profit if true but a bonkers sale

Link?