Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[ab1882]

Currently, to be classified as homegrown one must be on an English team for at least three years before the age of twenty-one[4]
Massengo was 21 July 7th 2022 and signed for Bristol in August 5th 2019 aged 18 years and 2 weeks so he played 2019-20, 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 being 20 at the end of that season so just makes it as homegrown.

He was registered at Bristol City as an U21 player for the whole of 22/23 as well, even though he went out on loan end of Jan 2023.
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/february/ ... on-202223/ PDF page 21.

Weirdly not listed as HG in the Prem, possibly an admin error which seems to have caused some confusion this season https://www.premierleague.com/news/3886218

Bashir Humphreys is HG but will have to be added to the 25 man squad if it is indeed a loan to buy.

[Row x]

Link?

I think there's only been one article, last week, just keeps getting retweeted, or re x'd

[Tall Paul]

Only if you buy the gems. We have helped three of those to get their moves but earned nothing for it.

We earned a season in the PL, but still a fair point.

[SirBob]

Only if you buy the gems. We have helped three of those to get their moves but earned nothing for it.

Tbf they were instrumental in us getting promoted which earned us quite a bit. Happy for us to loan players if they get us promoted or help us beat the drop, worth there weight in gold.

[123EasyasBFC]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

Stinks of forest being in for Berge now that Danilo broke his ankle first game of season

[123EasyasBFC]

Take it that means Fulham. And disappointed we are only wanting £15m for O’Shea.

Or Fulham could be playing games and trying to make out they are moving onto Berge to get United to sell the Scott mctominay

[Mattster]

Negatives:

- I don’t think we’ve nailed the selling part. I think in a season or two we’ll start to see Odobert’s fee as something of a bargain, for example. When you consider Palace and Bournemouth can hold on for €60m+ now for their best players, that has to be the goal.

As would/could we if we were in the Premier League, in the Championship you can't really do that as the players want to be playing Premier League and the club has less TV income.

[agreenwood]

If Berge goes, we need to replace him. No doubt.

[morninbob]

O’Shea price quoted to Brentford was £15m and they backed off so I very much doubt we do a deal with Ipswich at £10m.

Looking like Wout to Ajax is getting nearer.

Also a new prem club in for Berge, might leave United stuck with someone they thought they were selling…

We still looking for 30m for Berge?
Price for WOUT ?

[bumba]

I'd sell Wout, always thought he'd do well in the championship but he didn't look up to it Saturday.
O'Shea at £15 million just isn't worth doing, he's worth more staying and helping us get promotion.

[RVclaret]

If Berge goes, we need to replace him. No doubt.

See I’d hope Amdouni slots in. Then you add JBG and Massengo… One of his best performances last season was away to Forest when he lined up alongside Cullen and Brownhill in midfield.

[NewClaret]

As would/could we if we were in the Premier League, in the Championship you can't really do that as the players want to be playing Premier League and the club has less TV income.

Yes, I agree that’s a major factor.

I suppose my point was more that the model is only going to pay the big dividends when we manage to get the balance right between sourcing great young talent and remaining in the premier league.

I’m sure the club recognise this in hindsight, just that the model isn’t yet perfected and won’t be until they work out how to take that next step.

If I were an investor though I would be very encouraged.

[Row x]

I'd sell Wout, always thought he'd do well in the championship but he didn't look up to it Saturday.
O'Shea at £15 million just isn't worth doing, he's worth more staying and helping us get promotion.

It what way did he not look up for it?

[randomclaret2]

It what way did he not look up for it?

Up for it, or Up to it ?

[TheFamilyCat]

Tbf they were instrumental in us getting promoted which earned us quite a bit. Happy for us to loan players if they get us promoted or help us beat the drop, worth there weight in gold.

Yeah, but I was responding to a post about where these players end up (and by extension, the fees they go for).

[Row x]

Up for it, or Up to it ?

Well spotted, question still stands though, just change the one word

[bumba]

It what way did he not look up for it?

He looked awful, Cardiff defenders were taking the ball off him with ease. Didn't look up to the standard

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

He did get robbed of the ball a few times.

Sure if he played a few games he would be fine, but he will be off anyway, and that is best for all of us with his wage.

Glad we are playing 'most' of our 'in demand' players though, makes us look ambivalent / not desperate and drives up value.

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[clarets1978]

He looked awful, Cardiff defenders were taking the ball off him with ease. Didn't look up to the standard

On the flip side, he'd played a fabulous ball down the right for Roberts at one point, who inexplicably stood still

[Row x]

He looked awful, Cardiff defenders were taking the ball off him with ease. Didn't look up to the standard

I thought he was OK for the limited time he was on, didn't get a chance but put a couple of good balls through.

[BigChaCha]

Seeing as it seems it is time for the daily have-a-go at Wout session, for a bit of balance, Amdouni would have never scored that goal without Wout's intelligence in deliberately pulling a defender away when he saw it was on for Amdouni to give him a massive hole to shoot in that vacant space created by Wout.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Massengo made a good run too. I'm defo not having a go though, he's clearly a decent level player and always works his balls off, first stint thought his work rate was phenomenal.

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[Spijed]

He did get robbed of the ball a few times.

Sure if he played a few games he would be fine, but he will be off anyway, and that is best for all of us with his wage.

Glad we are playing 'most' of our 'in demand' players though, makes us look ambivalent / not desperate and drives up value.

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Driving up the value of our players is completely pointless if it means we have more money in the bank but miss out on promotion.

[Holtyclaret]

Yes, I agree that’s a major factor.

I suppose my point was more that the model is only going to pay the big dividends when we manage to get the balance right between sourcing great young talent and remaining in the premier league.

I’m sure the club recognise this in hindsight, just that the model isn’t yet perfected and won’t be until they work out how to take that next step.

If I were an investor though I would be very encouraged.

It takes time though and we’re very early into our model.

I see over time that the quality (and price) of who we buy will increase as will then the profit made/sale prices.

All v encouraging though and we seem to have a sale strategy now of naming our price and sticking to it, not desperate to sell and it appears to be working.

[taio]

Driving up the value of our players is completely pointless if it means we have more money in the bank but miss out on promotion.

Maximising player values and fees clearly isn't pointless and the objective will still be promotion even if a few more players are sold.

[ksrclaret]

It's definitely shaping up to be a busy last couple of weeks for us.

If I had to predict now, I'd say we're going to see the following leave: McNally, Delcroix, Vitinho, Berge, Benson, Weghorst, Obafemi. There'll then be some further departures in January once they're fit e.g., Beyer, Ekdal, Tresor.

On the incomings side, I'd say that we'll bring in Humphreys and probably a right sided midfielder.

[Ric_C]

Not sure on this clamour to sell Ekdal has come from? When fit he's one of our better centre backs.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not sure on this clamour to sell Ekdal has come from? When fit he's one of our better centre backs.

100% if Ekdal had Beyer or o’sheas pace he would be best partner for esteve, the issue is he doesn’t

[EarbyClaret]

It's definitely shaping up to be a busy last couple of weeks for us.

If I had to predict now, I'd say we're going to see the following leave: McNally, Delcroix, Vitinho, Berge, Benson, Weghorst, Obafemi. There'll then be some further departures in January once they're fit e.g., Beyer, Ekdal, Tresor.

On the incomings side, I'd say that we'll bring in Humphreys and probably a right sided midfielder.

I'd broadly agree with the summer departures although I'm not convinced (as yet) of any real substance to the Vitinho rumours. I can only see McNally leaving if we are confident one or more of our injured CBs is near to a return. I'd also add Trafford to the list of those who will leave during this window

[kentonclaret]

Maximising player values and fees clearly isn't pointless and the objective will still be promotion even if a few more players are sold.

Promotion really means that the objective is to finish in the top 2 positions. The play offs are just a lottery as many clubs have discovered in the past.

[Holtyclaret]

It's definitely shaping up to be a busy last couple of weeks for us.

If I had to predict now, I'd say we're going to see the following leave: McNally, Delcroix, Vitinho, Berge, Benson, Weghorst, Obafemi. There'll then be some further departures in January once they're fit e.g., Beyer, Ekdal, Tresor.

On the incomings side, I'd say that we'll bring in Humphreys and probably a right sided midfielder.

Think you’re pretty spot on with departures, maybe Traff too.

Think they’ll be a few coming in and not those sold in Jan, what we’re left with in 11 days I think will be our squad for the season.

If all looking good I can see a couple of arrivals in Jan.

But who knows really!

[Big Vinny K]

Driving up the value of our players is completely pointless if it means we have more money in the bank but miss out on promotion.

Not at all.
Relegation was always going to mean selling some players earlier than we would have to if we would have stayed up. When you have an ownership structure like we do it’s virtually the only way to meet our financial commitments with the significant reductions in revenue we face. Getting investors to put money in whilst we are in this league or subsidise losses does not look like it’s an option for us. Which leaves you with one option really - and I’m assuming that when we spent the money we did last season all of our investors and board were fully aware that this is what would happen.

The balance is and always will be leaving enough good players to still get promoted. Because the gulf between the championship and the PL seems to get bigger every year it means that those who are relegated still have far bigger squads and bigger wage and transfer budgets than the rest of the championship. And you can see the impact of this on how many teams who still had parachute money have been promoted. Just look at our bench on Saturday - the value on that bench dwarfs the value of most of the teams in this leagues first elevens. The money Cardiff have spent on the whole of their squad hardly adds up to the cost of Tresor !!

[taio]

Promotion really means that the objective is to finish in the top 2 positions. The play offs are just a lottery as many clubs have discovered in the past.

I never mentioned anything about play-offs

[ksrclaret]

Not sure on this clamour to sell Ekdal has come from? When fit he's one of our better centre backs.

I wouldn't exactly call it a clamour to sell him. That's a little dramatic.

But the reality is that we've got too many centre backs and he's an incredibly injury prone one, as good as he is when fit.

[kentonclaret]

I never mentioned anything about play-offs

Neither did you mention automatic promotion.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The other reason not to sell Vitinho is because he is a pal and interpreter to Pires who would probably be the sole Portuguese speaker otherwise. I really see no need to rock the boat for under £10m if it deprives us in a sense of 2 decent players.

[123EasyasBFC]

Wolves want O’Shea to

[agreenwood]

See I’d hope Amdouni slots in. Then you add JBG and Massengo… One of his best performances last season was away to Forest when he lined up alongside Cullen and Brownhill in midfield.

If we recoup anywhere close to £30m for Berge, I’d like to think we’d be in the luxurious position of not having to take a large gamble on playing someone in a position they’ve played very little in or hoping a younger player plays at a level they’ve never done before.

If we’re serious about promotion, let’s get a good solid CM in who has a track record of performing at the level we require for promotion.

[taio]

Neither did you mention automatic promotion.

Pedantry

[claretskeith]

Sounds like we're going to have a seriously depleted squad and less money coming in than what promotion is worth. Very risky, as if the players rumoured to leave do leave, playoffs is certainly more realistic than top 2.

[Flying Without Ings]

Sounds like we're going to have a seriously depleted squad and less money coming in that promotion is worth. Very risky, as if the players leaving do leave, playoffs is certainly more realistic than top 2.

Are deals for O’Shea or Berge close? And what’s to say we don’t replace them?

[wadeswondergoal]

Wolves want O’Shea to

Want him to what?

They have no money, as has been confirmed by their manager.

[wadeswondergoal]

There is a fine line between making a profit on players and scuppering your own chances at developing your business model by not achieving promotion.

[123EasyasBFC]

If we do sell Trafford O’Shea and Berge for best part of nearly 80m then we simply have to let the deadwood go out on loan if we can’t get perm deals over the line for them, which gives us room in the squad then to reinvest the money on 2 or 3 quality players

[123EasyasBFC]

Want him to what?

They have no money, as has been confirmed by their manager.

Jonathon Percy in telegraph saying they have 20m to spend and have a group of players they want to sell to raise more funds

[randomclaret2]

If we recoup anywhere close to £30m for Berge, I’d like to think we’d be in the luxurious position of not having to take a large gamble on playing someone in a position they’ve played very little in or hoping a younger player plays at a level they’ve never done before.

If we’re serious about promotion, let’s get a good solid CM in who has a track record of performing at the level we require for promotion.

If we do.get £30m, we'll have brought in over £80m this summer and spent about £5m. If there isnt something for Parker to spend from that we really are in a financial mess.

[wadeswondergoal]

Jonathon Percy in telegraph saying they have 20m to spend and have a group of players they want to sell to raise more funds

They have bid for Ahedmozdic at Sheff Utd. They can’t afford both and surely AA is the cheaper option than DO’S.

[NewClaret]

There is a fine line between making a profit on players and scuppering your own chances at developing your business model by not achieving promotion.

Absolutely spot on.

I feel we might be sleepwalking in to a few bad decisions over the next few weeks.

[wadeswondergoal]

Absolutely spot on.

I feel we might be sleepwalking in to a few bad decisions over the next few weeks.

I feel like we are about to find out how strong Alan Pace is.

He either sells our star players in order to boost his bank account, or he keeps hold of them and we are pretty much guaranteed promotion.

[claretskeith]

There is a fine line between making a profit on players and scuppering your own chances at developing your business model by not achieving promotion.

Exactly the point I've been making. £200m+ for promotion... bring in £100m in sales but don't get promotion. Makes no sense.