Trump's Lies

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:43 pm

Glad you're paying attention Devil.

In all fairness excited turtle quoted me, its rude not to answer.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:26 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Now they can't, but I'm not that interested in what either side do to the extent you're beating yourself into a frenzy about it.

IF he's doing what you claim he's doing, why's he still president?
If someone like you can see it, why hasn't the FBI or senate impeached him yet?
Ah wait, would it be because his kids are now technically running his business empire?

Its been rumoured for years that the Clinton's earned plenty of money from Bills presidency and I suspect it would've carried on if Hilary had made it in there.
You never seem to be that arsed about them though.

Would you have flogged that to death the way you are Trump?
Or doesn't that suit your political leaning?

FBI impeach him? This is how I know you're not all that engaged in the topic. Please do the most basic of research if you're going to ask if someone like Trump is a crook then how can he possibly not already be impeached? Have a look to see how long it took to get Nixon out of office from the beginning of the investigation into him. I've already told you once already but it obviously hasn't clicked, so have a look yourself online. Have a look and see how long it took to impeach Clinton for lying about a blowjob from when that investigation got started. Do that and then come back and apologise for suggesting that if Trump hasn't been kicked out after a couple of months of being under investigation that he must be innocent.

Why hasn't the Senate impeached him? Well, atleast you've found the body of people who can impeach a president: congress. Now have a look and see what party controls both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Then have a look and see how many votes it takes in the Republican controlled Senate to remove the Republican president.

And yes, i'm really sorry i wasn't posting on here during the Clinton presidency about the Clinton Foundation (a ******* charity) receiving money. You also don't hear me going on about Pres. Reegan either. Or Bush. Or Johnson. Or Nixon, Or Carter. Can't imagine why. I wonder what's different about their presidencies to Trump's. The internet, maybe? And if you think i'm ideologically biased against right-wing presidents, have a look on CM (it'll take you a while cos their seach sucks) for my posts about Obama and his unmanned flying freedom dispensers. My political ******* leaning? Go **** yourself

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:51 am

Making almost my exact point, Sidney - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... -ends.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:02 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Breibart has kicked fake news network CNN's ass over its very fake news concerning something about President Trump and CNN have been forced to retract "a blatantly inaccurate hit piece" and apologise to somebody I've never heard of.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... sian-fund/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Further to my other reply to this post, here's further demonstration of CNN's journalistic integrity.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... ssia-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And to be fair to CNN, when the White House is deliberately lying to news networks in an attempt to have them publish false stories in order to scream "fake news" then it's not entirely the fault of the news networks when one slips though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... ite-house/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:32 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Further to my other reply to this post, here's further demonstration of CNN's journalistic integrity.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... ssia-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And to be fair to CNN, when the White House is deliberately lying to news networks in an attempt to have them publish false stories in order to scream "fake news" then it's not entirely the fault of the news networks when one slips though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... ite-house/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bet you are absolutely devastated this has come out

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cnn-journalist ... 05111.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the plus side, my tenner is looking good.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:56 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Bet you are absolutely devastated this has come out

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cnn-journalist ... 05111.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the plus side, my tenner is looking good.

How is your link any different from the Guardian story in the post from IT, which you quoted?

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:36 pm

Greenmile wrote:How is your link any different from the Guardian story in the post from IT, which you quoted?

Less biased writing. You can't taste the salt from an angry metropolitan liberal with every line you read in my link.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:19 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Less biased writing. You can't taste the salt from an angry metropolitan liberal with every line you read in my link.

You didn't click the Guardian link before posting, did you? You can be honest with me - we're all friends here.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Further to my other reply to this post, here's further demonstration of CNN's journalistic integrity.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... ssia-story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And to be fair to CNN, when the White House is deliberately lying to news networks in an attempt to have them publish false stories in order to scream "fake news" then it's not entirely the fault of the news networks when one slips though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... ite-house/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Classic IT. Funniest yet

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:09 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Classic IT. Funniest yet

How's that swamp draining going?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:15 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:How's that swamp draining going?

Pitiful response but its going very well. Thank you for asking

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:50 am

FCBurnley wrote:Pitiful response but its going very well. Thank you for asking

Classic FCBurnley. Funniest yet.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:23 am

Obama on Obamacare: "You can keep you doctor if you want to". Turns out he's wrong and the right wing press batter him for it, as they liked to do.
Trump on Trumpcare: "No one will lose coverage". Turns out 22 million will lose their health insurance and the right wing press are nowhere to be seen.
One rule for President Blackenstein but quite another for the walking wotsit.

But the problem is CNN because they retracted a story

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:09 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Obama on Obamacare: "You can keep you doctor if you want to". Turns out he's wrong and the right wing press batter him for it, as they liked to do.
Trump on Trumpcare: "No one will lose coverage". Turns out 22 million will lose their health insurance and the right wing press are nowhere to be seen.
One rule for President Blackenstein but quite another for the walking wotsit.

But the problem is CNN because they retracted a story

And admitted that they know the Russia story is a dead horse and only hammer it because it's easy ratings of a sad, desperate liberal audience who cling to anything that will get rid of Trump.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:33 am

When was the last time a President and his senior staff lawyered-up over a "dead horse"?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Classic FCBurnley. Funniest yet.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you so much.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:51 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you so much.

Parody != imitation. Perhaps you could have learned that in a Betsy DeVos school.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:04 am

Nothing CNN do is fake news. They might get things wrong, but never intentionally so. But while they sometimes get things wrong they also sometimes get things brilliantly right.

"The CNN documentary equaled the best work of CBS News in the glory days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite." -
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/m ... on-special" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is no higher praise in American journalism than being compared to Murrow, Cronkite, Woodward or Bernstein.

Here's the documantary that provoked such praise. The Russian Connection: Inside the Attack on Democracy

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:45 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nothing CNN do is fake news. They might get things wrong, but never intentionally so. But while they sometimes get things wrong they also sometimes get things brilliantly right.

"The CNN documentary equaled the best work of CBS News in the glory days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite." -
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/m ... on-special" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is no higher praise in American journalism than being compared to Murrow, Cronkite, Woodward or Bernstein.

Here's the documantary that provoked such praise. The Russian Connection: Inside the Attack on Democracy

MG70 · Post by **MG70** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:43 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nothing CNN do is fake news. They might get things wrong, but never intentionally so. But while they sometimes get things wrong they also sometimes get things brilliantly right.

"The CNN documentary equaled the best work of CBS News in the glory days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite." -
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/m ... on-special" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is no higher praise in American journalism than being compared to Murrow, Cronkite, Woodward or Bernstein.

Here's the documantary that provoked such praise. The Russian Connection: Inside the Attack on Democracy

Nothing CNN do is fake news? You really are making yourself look incredibly stupid IT.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:36 pm

MG70 wrote:Nothing CNN do is fake news? You really are making yourself look incredibly stupid IT.

You're the one that doesn't know what fake news is.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're the one that doesn't know what fake news is.

My dad is bigger than your dad !!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:02 pm

FCBurnley wrote:My dad is bigger than your dad !!

Can you give me an example of Trump's swamp-draining that you voted for? And since you're in Florida what do you and your friends think of this new halthcare law the GOP are trying to force down America's throat?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:09 pm

i love Obamacare. Only costs me $800 a month plus the first $18000 then the only company ( Florida Blue) supplying Florida kindly offer me a 60/40 copay. Bargain which I am compelled by law to have. So obviously any new health care system is never going to compete with that. As for the swamp lets start with the 6 feet 9 inch plug.

MG70 · Post by **MG70** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:57 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're the one that doesn't know what fake news is.

Go on, explain why that is.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:24 pm

MG70 wrote:Go on, explain why that is.

It's probably because you think fake news is every example of news that is wrong, it's not. Fake news is lies deliberately made to look like real news. When CNN, NBC, BBC, NYT, WaPo or even ******* Buzzfeed etc get something wrong they'll retract it because they didn't intend to get it wrong. That's not being fake, that's just not being perfect. News organisations have never been perfect but the respectable ones will issue retractions and won't celebrate publicly when other organisations have to retract, because they'll have to retract a story sooner or later.
But those viral "articles" shared on Facebook talking about how Trump had been endorsed by the Pope? That's fake news. It was intended to lie to you and present itself as news when infact it was propaganda and not even remotely true.

When you call respectable news organisations "fake news" after they've done what respectable news organisations have always done when they get a story wrong you reduce your credibility to zero. Likewise when you dismiss an organisation as being "anti-Trump" just because they report negatively on Trump. How many ideas for positive stories can you think of regarding that guy?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:30 pm

Everybody who is remotely credible thinks he's utterly clueless.

Thats a lot of "fake news."

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:31 pm

FCBurnley wrote:i love Obamacare. Only costs me $800 a month plus the first $18000 then the only company ( Florida Blue) supplying Florida kindly offer me a 60/40 copay. Bargain which I am compelled by law to have. So obviously any new health care system is never going to compete with that. As for the swamp lets start with the 6 feet 9 inch plug.

You're not compelled to have it by law. The SCOTUS ruling struck down the individual mandate as a penalty but said it survived as a tax.

But regardless, do you honestly think that the AHCA is going to make things better for you? How much did health care cost you prior to Obamacare?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:38 pm

FCBurnley wrote:i love Obamacare. Only costs me $800 a month plus the first $18000 then the only company ( Florida Blue) supplying Florida kindly offer me a 60/40 copay. Bargain which I am compelled by law to have. So obviously any new health care system is never going to compete with that. As for the swamp lets start with the 6 feet 9 inch plug.

Good news. Trump wants to kick you off your healthcare without replacing it.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:03 pm

TBH, the problems with Health coverage in America are nothing to do with Obamacare or any new plan, they are all caused by the highly inflated cost of drugs/treament. I had my quarterly basic blood test last week and the invoiced price from the lab was just under $150. My insurance discount took this down to $13 !!!! which is the price I paid. Charge $13 in the first place and nobody would need insurance. America is the biggest buyer of over the counter drugs in the world and until the massively inflated prices are negotiated down by the Government , nothing will change. My wife had mini stroke recently and was given 2 Ibrupofen tablets to take prior to leaving the hospital. Charge $102. When we queried the charge we were told they charged that amount `because they could`

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:12 pm

FCBurnley wrote:TBH, the problems with Health coverage in America are nothing to do with Obamacare or any new plan, they are all caused by the highly inflated cost of drugs/treament. I had my quarterly basic blood test last week and the invoiced price from the lab was just under $150. My insurance discount took this down to $13 !!!! which is the price I paid. Charge $13 in the first place and nobody would need insurance. America is the biggest buyer of over the counter drugs in the world and until the massively inflated prices are negotiated down by the Government , nothing will change. My wife had mini stroke recently and was given 2 Ibrupofen tablets to take prior to leaving the hospital. Charge $102. When we queried the charge we were told they charged that amount `because they could`

Interesting point you raise about the cost of Ibuprofen. Too many people are given drugs via their GP, such as Paracetamol, which they can get in a supermarket for about 40p yet as a prescription, it will be billed for over £8. Simply because it has been prescribed by a doctor.

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:One of the ways you know you can trust a news network is that every now and then, when they get things wrong, they'll issue a retraction.

You mean when they are caught and their fake news is exposed to the point that they have no option but to retract their lies?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:13 pm

Spijed wrote:Interesting point you raise about the cost of Ibuprofen. Too many people are given drugs via their GP, such as Paracetamol, which they can get in a supermarket for about 40p yet as a prescription, it will be billed for over £8. Simply because it has been prescribed by a doctor.

Imagine paying approx 35 pounds per tablet !!! ( $51)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:25 pm

morpheus2 wrote:You mean when they are caught and their fake news is exposed to the point that they have no option but to retract their lies?

I don't think FCBurnley knows you're trolling. Or maybe you're not and are genuinely an idiot.

djemba-djemba · Post by **djemba-djemba** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:29 pm

Does Imploding Turtle ever post anything football related?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:41 pm

FCBurnley wrote:TBH, the problems with Health coverage in America are nothing to do with Obamacare or any new plan, they are all caused by the highly inflated cost of drugs/treament. I had my quarterly basic blood test last week and the invoiced price from the lab was just under $150. My insurance discount took this down to $13 !!!! which is the price I paid. Charge $13 in the first place and nobody would need insurance. America is the biggest buyer of over the counter drugs in the world and until the massively inflated prices are negotiated down by the Government , nothing will change. My wife had mini stroke recently and was given 2 Ibrupofen tablets to take prior to leaving the hospital. Charge $102. When we queried the charge we were told they charged that amount `because they could`

You're right of course. Obamacare merely made it less bad but even if Obama was able to get his public option through congress it would still have its critics. Was the Ibuprofen atleast covered by your health insurance?

The problem American healthcare has is that it's not an industry that is focused on healthcare, it's specifically focused on denial of healthcare. Insurance companies make money from finding excuses not to pay up, whether it's car insurance, life insurance, home insurance and even health insurance. And even when government steps in to fix things it's still got to appease the insurance companies. That's why Obama couldn't get a public option, too many bought and paid-for congressmen and women, including some Democrats, rejected it.

But then a fair argument against government "solving" healthcare can be made by anyone who has seen this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFm ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You need an NHS over there, but America is never going to get one while they have a government that prioritises profit and corporations over people (i forgot "corporations are people, my friend"). We're even struggling to keep ours because our government is heading in that direction too.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:58 pm

djemba-djemba wrote:Does Imploding Turtle ever post anything football related?

No nor does he post anything remotely related to reality. Guys a pure fantasist.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:You're right of course. Obamacare merely made it less bad but even if Obama was able to get his public option through congress it would still have its critics. Was the Ibuprofen atleast covered by your health insurance?

The problem American healthcare has is that it's not an industry that is focused on healthcare, it's specifically focused on denial of healthcare. Insurance companies make money from finding excuses not to pay up, whether it's car insurance, life insurance, home insurance and even health insurance. And even when government steps in to fix things it's still got to appease the insurance companies. That's why Obama couldn't get a public option, too many bought and paid-for congressmen and women, including some Democrats, rejected it.

But then a fair argument against government "solving" healthcare can be made by anyone who has seen this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFm ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You need an NHS over there, but America is never going to get one while they have a government that prioritises profit and corporations over people (i forgot "corporations are people, my friend"). We're even struggling to keep ours because our government is heading in that direction too.

Neither the UK nor the US systems work, maybe somewhere between the 2 might have a chance but probably not. Maybe there should be no insurance and no government help. Prices would then find there own level and if you cant pay you die which is basically what happens now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Right_winger wrote:No nor does he post anything remotely related to reality. Guys a pure fantasist.

Rather be a fantasist than a fascist.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:35 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Neither the UK nor the US systems work, maybe somewhere between the 2 might have a chance but probably not. Maybe there should be no insurance and no government help. Prices would then find there own level and if you cant pay you die which is basically what happens now.

"if you can't pay you die"

also known as "**** off and die, poor boy!"

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:39 pm

The UK system f.ucking well does work. It worked a whole lot better in 2010 before the deliberate drive to make it fail but despite that, and up until the point where the killing blow is delivered by the govt, it'll still be a functioning and cost effective service.

Anyone attempting to draw a false equivalence between the failures of the US and UK healthcare systems (or perhaps more accurately, a baseless and irrational appeal to an imagined middle-ground) is acquiescing to a jolly-good rape by insurance firms. (Conveniently, Tory party donors).

morpheus2 · Post by **morpheus2** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think FCBurnley knows you're trolling. Or maybe you're not and are genuinely an idiot.

100% genuine trolling idiot me.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Rather be a fantasist than a fascist.

Thought this thread was titled trumps lies not turtles lies.

Time to take your head out he clouds and see how the world really works

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:01 pm

Right_winger wrote:Thought this thread was titled trumps lies not turtles lies.

Time to take your head out he clouds and see how the world really works

If i ever need to learn how the world really worked in 1930s Germany i'll be sure to give you a call and ask for your opinions.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:04 pm

Not worth another thread but Trump wasn't the name, address and party affiliation of every voter in America.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... commission" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For innocent reasons, i'm sure.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:39 pm

Right_winger wrote:Thought this thread was titled trumps lies not turtles lies.

Time to take your head out he clouds and see how the world really works

Aside from the fact you've contributed sod all to this thread bar a reflex jab; if you were to look at the World and all its corruption and conclude without challenge that this is the way it ought to be for no reason other than the fact that it is then you're nothing more than a kowtowing submissive rent boy. I'd call you a limp-wristed acquiescing fag but liberals such as me are apparently snowflakes who object to the use of such language.

See, I can do insubstantial infantile rhetoric, too!

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:49 pm

Spiral wrote:Aside from the fact you've contributed sod all to this thread bar a reflex jab; if you were to look at the World and all its corruption and conclude without challenge that this is the way it ought to be for no reason other than the fact that it is then you're nothing more than a kowtowing submissive rent boy. I'd call you a limp-wristed acquiescing fag but liberals such as me are apparently snowflakes who object to the use of such language.

See, I can do insubstantial infantile rhetoric, too!

Libtards are good at making up utter shite. Away you go and protest about something, or declare outrage at any person/group who has achieved in life.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If i ever need to learn how the world really worked in 1930s Germany i'll be sure to give you a call and ask for your opinions.

No need, apart from I wouldn't know but since you appear to be pro SNP you might be better of asking them. They will know.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:50 pm

Eh?

Plenty of people have achieved in life and are not utter *****. Or act like utter *****. Or who don't treat people who are not as lucky as them as utter *****.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:57 pm

Spiral wrote:Aside from the fact you've contributed sod all to this thread bar a reflex jab; if you were to look at the World and all its corruption and conclude without challenge that this is the way it ought to be for no reason other than the fact that it is then you're nothing more than a kowtowing submissive rent boy. I'd call you a limp-wristed acquiescing fag but liberals such as me are apparently snowflakes who object to the use of such language.

See, I can do insubstantial infantile rhetoric, too!

Don't forget that while being weak, faggoty little snowflakes we're simtaneously fascistic, violent, riotous, intolerant and full of hate.