Liverpool v City

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:35 pm

Arsenals incredible record remains

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:37 pm

4:20 wrote:Arsenals incredible record remains

Will probably remain for the next 100 years at least, incredible achievement.

Edit: Someone will be along shortly to downplay the achievement because Arsenal used the transfer market, Leicesters title win didn't count because they got a new stadium and Bournemouth's promotions don't count because they also used the transfer market for 2 of them. Bitter Burnley fans

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:38 pm

KRBFC wrote:You have to be pretty stupid to say Sane hasn't improved under Pep, f88k knows what you've been watching.

How many times did you see him play for Schalke ?

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:Will probably remain for the next 100 years at least, incredible achievement.

This game just shows how it's getting into miracle territory when an unbeaten season happens. One slip up and it's over, one bad half, one bad 10 minute spell.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:Sane this year actually has 10 goals and 11 assists in 24 starts. The greatest return of his career, quite clearly improved on the 11 in 47 for Schalke you mention and judging by your figures he only got 2 goals last year for City. Not improved???? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA nowt like talking out of your arse

See for yourself

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;–15_FC_Schalke_04_season

14-15 season

Seven starts and seven appearances from the bench

4 goals - 3 in Bundesliga and 1 in Champions League (from the bench)

15-16 season

23 league starts and 10 from bench

8 league goals.

Edit to add

6 Europa League starts 1 from bench

1 Europa league goal.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:42 pm

4-2, here we go.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:44 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:How many times did you see him play for Schalke ?

About 5, saw him for a young German side a few times too. Look at his return this season, it's the best return of his life, he's nearly averaging a goal or an assist every time he starts.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:44 pm

Said after city game in cup, although they beat us 4-1 they arent all that. Dont believe the hype.

Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sane aside.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:45 pm

Liverpool pressing very well - Klopp gets the credit for the pressing game - all he did was copy Dyche

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:45 pm

Caernarfon_Claret wrote:See for yourself

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;–15_FC_Schalke_04_season

14-15 season

Seven starts and seven appearances from the bench

4 goals - 3 in Bundesliga and 1 in Champions League (from the bench)

15-16 season

23 league starts and 10 from bench

8 league goals.

Edit to add

6 Europa League starts 1 from bench

1 Europa league goal.

This isn't the 15-16 season? It's 2018. I'm talking about this season, compared with his career up to this season. This is the best return of his life.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:49 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Liverpool pressing very well - Klopp gets the credit for the pressing game - all he did was copy Dyche

Dyche has made comments before about how the Foreign managers are lauded for stuff he's already been doing.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:49 pm

Game on!

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:50 pm

4-3

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:50 pm

Klopp can't half get a team to attack.

Defend? Not so much.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:51 pm

Unreal if they pull this off

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:52 pm

Dont like super sunday (or liverpool) but liverpool are bloody entertaining.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Sane's worst season for goals per start was last season which is understandable as he was getting up to scratch with the Premier League.

He didn't start many in 2014-15 for Schalke but when he did scored very similar ratio to this season.

I don't have figures for assists so he may have improved there but that's to be expected as his game develops with good coaching and being surrounded by more experienced players.

Edit

He actually scored 5 goals last season in the league.

And either 7 or 8 this season depending on when goal scorer chart was updated.

Also has 9 assists this season although this figure may need updating.

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:54 pm

OMG they nearly did it..

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:54 pm

What a brilliant game.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:55 pm

Well that was a great game to watch.

Some really good football on show and Ox could well be an ideal replacement for Coutinho.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:55 pm

City in freefall.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:56 pm

That was one for the ages !!

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:56 pm

That was a bloody entertaining game.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:57 pm

Great game and Klopp takes the lead against Pep in their head to head.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:58 pm

Fabulous stuff, really top class entertainment.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:01 pm

Klopp in a good mood now, time to allow Danny to come home.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:03 pm

Now that was entertainment and ddefinately worth 9f the tag super Sunday.

Nice to watch 2 teams trying to constantly score goals and try and win the game.

CBT · Post by **CBT** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:06 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Said after city game in cup, although they beat us 4-1 they arent all that. Dont believe the hype.

Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sane aside.

Sterling too even though he acts like a big baby at times

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:10 pm

Great game, Liverpool defending is awful though.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:10 pm

Great game, Man City with David Silva are a completely different team to one without

And nobody can tell me Stones is that good, he's not.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Klopp in a good mood now, time to allow Danny to come home.

Do Bournemouth need him then?

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:12 pm

KRBFC wrote:This isn't the 15-16 season? It's 2018. I'm talking about this season, compared with his career up to this season. This is the best return of his life.

If you're comparing seasons. Goals per start in the league.

7 starts. 3 goals. 42.86%
23 starts. 8 goals. 34.8%
26 starts(?) 5 goals 3 assists. 19.23%
As of 21 starts (@using the figures I currently have) 7 goals plus what did you say 5 assists? 33%

This is comparing like for like.

Take out the first season if you like as he only made 7 starts and is therefore probably statistically irrelevant.

23 starts. 34.8%
26 starts 19.23 % but was first season in PL and started slowly and was much improved in second half of season
21 starts 33%

As you say he's contributing more with assists. And his general play has probably improved which is difficult to quantify.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Good to see krbfc’s bottom lip doesn’t just come out when Burnley get beat.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:15 pm

MACCA wrote:Now that was entertainment and ddefinately worth 9f the tag super Sunday.

Nice to watch 2 teams trying to constantly score goals and try and win the game.

Makes a change from watching us half the time

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:17 pm

"........Do Bournemouth need him then?........."

No, but Burnley do. Forgive and forget.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:27 pm

Do we really need him?
I'd say we need Wood back more than a bloke who's barely played for 2 seasons and is probably not quite a full 90 mins fit yet.
That's just my opinion though.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:34 pm

I have no problem with the idea that Leroy Sane has improved massively under the guidance of Pep Guardiola.

But please if people are going to use stats at least compare season by season not one half season against the rest of the career as if you do that you might look at his 3 goals in 7 starts in his first season as the highlight of his career that hasn't quite reached the same heights again. That would be just as bad.

I'm trying to find his assist stats at Schalke but seems difficult to find.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:52 pm

Did anyone else think the second goal was a foul (push in the back) on Stones?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:58 pm

Hipper wrote:Did anyone else think the second goal was a foul (push in the back) on Stones?

nope

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:37 pm

City have worked miracles on a shoestring budget,using the loan market and promoting from within.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:20 pm

bfcjg wrote:City have worked miracles on a shoestring budget,using the loan market and promoting from within.

Why do they need to do that when they're owned by a country? It's like people expect them to use the loan market and free transfers and put themselves at a disadvantage for the sake of it when they're competing to win trophies against sides who spend more than them. They're not trying to survive in the Championship...

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:48 pm

Hipper wrote:Did anyone else think the second goal was a foul (push in the back) on Stones?

If my cat was shrugged of the ball that easily i'd be worried. Never mind a £50m english international centre half

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:18 pm

They might as well start wearing ballet shoes and tutus if that was a foul.
#perfectlyfair

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:42 pm

Definite foul on Stones. Nowhere near shoulder to shoulder. Took a risk and got away with it. With today's referees any foul is worth a risk.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:43 am

Dyched wrote:If my cat was shrugged of the ball that easily i'd be worried. Never mind a £50m english international centre half

How big is your cat?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:24 am

Sidney1st wrote:Dyche has made comments before about how the Foreign managers are lauded for stuff he's already been doing.

Klopp was winning the Bundesliga playing that football before Dyche even became a manager.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:28 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Klopp was winning the Bundesliga playing that football before Dyche even became a manager.

I'm referring to fitness and pressing etc.

Stuff Dyche has done here is ignored because he isn't winning titles or isn't foreign.
You should take the time to see his interviews.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:34 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm referring to fitness and pressing etc.

Stuff Dyche has done here is ignored because he isn't winning titles or isn't foreign.
You should take the time to see his interviews.

So Klopp's gegenpressing, heavy metal football Borussia Dortmund weren't fit? They didn't press?

Now I suspected your footballing knowledge was lacking, but this just confirms it.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:43 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Klopp was winning the Bundesliga playing that football before Dyche even became a manager.

One thing Dyche is better at Klopp though is the ability to teach players how to keep their defensive shape when pressing.

Conceding goals has cost Liverpool a number of times, whereas we are more capable of keeping clean sheets. They aren't.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:46 am

Spijed wrote:One thing Dyche is better at Klopp though is the ability to teach players how to keep their defensive shape when pressing.

Conceding goals has cost Liverpool a number of times, whereas we are more capable of keeping clean sheets. They aren't.

We've only kept 1 more clean sheet than Liverpool this season.

Klopp practices gegenpressing. Dyche doesn't. Burnley fall back into position and defend that way.