CLARETS V Weeds MATCH THREAD

[KRBFC]

It's not SD that has the "glass ceiling", is it - it's the whole club, the whole town. There is no way on earth that we can ever become an "established" PL side, we haven't the resources or the fan base. What we do have is a club and a manager who do their level best to get results from a diminishing team. The odds have always been stacked against us - massively - but we've survived. We may not this time but , ffs, let's not blame a manager who has given us probably four more years in the PL than anyone expected.
We carry on grafting, sensible reinforcements in January, if possible, and then - worst case scenario - look at what it's going to take to get out of the Championship.

Lets just pack it up then, we can't be any better than this... how wrong of the fans to question why we've gone backwards and why we can't pass the football.

There is nothing holding us back from becoming a good side, we've spent alot of money on this squad over the years, just spent it poorly. The size of your fan base doesn't win you points...

we've less money than most of the rest, granted, that just means we've got to be smarter with scouting and we haven't been. Our recruitment has been poor, one dimensional for years. Paying big money to shite players, shopping in premium market and refusing to use the loan market. Leicester won the league title with a first 11 put together with less money than we spent on Brady and Hendrick.

I don't even think it's just result related, fans want effort, our club captain is walking backwards for the 3rd goal and sleep walking during the game. We can't even expect commitment and energy anymore? previous traits this side had.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Got be said, KRBFC and I have had plenty of disagreements and arguments (loads) over the years but he's entitled to his opinion like everyone else. I don't agree with a lot of what he/she says but that's irrelevant, it's a football message board.

I agree, there are some very entitled posters that won’t accept any other posters opinions.

KRBFC has made some very fair comments.

[evensteadiereddie]

I take it you missed my last sentence ....."look at what it's going to take to get out of the Championship"....in other words if , if we are certain to go down then we plan accordingly.
Nobody's packing anything up but it is a fact that if we are ro compete or even survive in the PL it's got to be on our terms. Nobody's saying it's wrong to question why we're struggling, it's bloody obvious. Look at the backing every other club bar Norwich has. What, in the long term, do you realistically expect to happen ?
The stuff about players not trying or caring is just laughable, just another stick to take a lazy swipe with.

[evensteadiereddie]

I agree, there are some very entitled posters that won’t accept any other posters opinions.

KRBFC has made some very fair comments.

I feel entitled to the Watford, Leeds and Newcastle investment figures I asked for. You reckoned we've spent 500 million on nothing, I asked what the PL amounts were for these other clubs.

In your own time, bud.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I feel entitled to the Watford, Leeds and Newcastle investment figures I asked for. You reckoned we've spent 500 million on nothing, I asked what the PL amounts were for these other clubs.

In your own time, bud.

Just do your own research it’s easy enough to look at the figures. I don’t think I ever mentioned other clubs finances? I don’t see what relevance that has at all.

[KRBFC]

What a load of old cock - you had absolutely nothing to say when we were doing well.

Aye, "glory-hunting fans" who drive long distances home or away to watch the Clarets - live - no matter what. This one from Nelson. you know, near Burnley....

Yup, plenty of glory there....Nah, much better to snipe from the sidelines, use some bullshit about your grandaddy being a loyal fan. Use that to big yourself up and now you're absolutely loving it now we're struggling.

You were sussed a long time ago - by all means carry on spouting the same negative crap you always have but, please, drop the "Burnley fan" schtick, it's just embarrassing.

Go look at my player ratings and comments after our last win against Brentford.... nothing but praise, high scores.

You don't live in Nelson, I can tell, you've some sort of local fan insecurity.

I simply explained how your point about me not being a Burnley fan has been disproved, debunked as nonsense. The moderator MDWAT (and his girlfriend?) from Bradford had to stand up 23 times a season to allow a 13 year old me to my seat. PadihamThickNeck is another poster who I've been to god knows how many games with.

Why would any Burnley fan enjoy us losing? You've taken negative criticism as someone being happy? I don't know what goes on in your head but if I leave a negative restaurant review, I'm not happy.

[evensteadiereddie]

I've no Idea why you enjoy seeing Burnley losing, KBRFC, you must tell us but it's obvious you do.

"You don't live in Nelson, I can tell, you've some sort of local fan insecurity."

I really don't understand this. I moved from Nelson to college in Bradford and then taught in Staffordshire for a good number of years, keeping up my live support for the Clarets, including a season ticket - a REAL one, mine not my grandad's - during that time. I can assure you the last thing I want - no offence intended - is to be considered a "local" fan.

Visiting the area once a fortnight is quite enough for me, thanks very much. I love the area, I love the club - even the CFS - but would I move back - not a chance in hell. Some of us have chosen to move on, others are happy where they are. Nowt wrong with that, surely ?

[evensteadiereddie]

Just do your own research it’s easy enough to look at the figures. I don’t think I ever mentioned other clubs finances? I don’t see what relevance that has at all.

You implied Burnley have been wasteful.
I asked you to put that in perspective.
You can't.
What a surprise !

[Newcastleclaret93]

You implied Burnley have been wasteful.
I asked you to put that in perspective.
You can't.
What a surprise !

Looks like you are twisting words. Where did I say we were wasteful?

I said Dyche hasn’t worked on pennies and is deserving of criticism

[Jakubclaret]

You implied Burnley have been wasteful.
I asked you to put that in perspective.
You can't.
What a surprise !

Grab a Horlicks fella & turn in, I get it’s been a long day you are becoming very grouchy.

[evensteadiereddie]

Don't get involved, Jakub, you know it never ends well for you.
There's a good lad.

[KRBFC]

I've no Idea why you enjoy seeing Burnley losing, KBRFC, you must tell us but it's obvious you do.

"You don't live in Nelson, I can tell, you've some sort of local fan insecurity."

I really don't understand this. I moved from Nelson to college in Bradford and then taught in Staffordshire for a good number of years, keeping up my live support for the Clarets, including a season ticket - a REAL one, mine not my grandad's - during that time. I can assure you the last thing I want - no offence intended - is to be considered a "local" fan.

Visiting the area once a fortnight is quite enough for me, thanks very much. I love the area, I love the club - even the CFS - but would I move back - not a chance in hell. Some of us have chosen to move on, others are happy where they are. Nowt wrong with that, surely ?

You mistook my whinging for being happy? did you go and look at my comments/ratings after the Brentford win? or are we just ignoring facts again?

Absolutely nothing wrong with that until you start judging other supporters, locals don't question others who claim to be supporters, it's a non local fan insecurity thing.

Why would it be my Grandads ticket? we sat together? I have attended 50+ games with PadihamThickNeck, go and ask him, your theory i'm not a Burnley fan is just not true.

I have no idea why you're so intent on arguing with me about anything other than football....

[evensteadiereddie]

Looks like you are twisting words. Where did I say we were wasteful?

I said Dyche hasn’t worked on pennies and is deserving of criticism

You said we'd spent half a billion and look where we are. Am I mistaken - were you actually praising Dyche ?
Mmmm, thought not.

Dyche has not worked on pennies, you're quite correct. Problem is, other managers have had even more to work with.
Still, if you honestly think we're competing on a level playing field in the PL, I guess there's not much else to say...

[evensteadiereddie]

You mistook my whinging for being happy? did you go and look at my comments/ratings after the Brentford win? or are we just ignoring facts again?

Absolutely nothing wrong with that until you start judging other supporters, locals don't question others who claim to be supporters, it's a non local fan insecurity thing.

Why would it be my Grandads ticket? we sat together? I have attended 50+ games with PadihamThickNeck, go and ask him, your theory i'm not a Burnley fan is just not true.

I have no idea why you're so intent on arguing with me about anything other than football....

"it's a non local fan insecurity thing. " Does this actually mean anything ? It sounds just as stupid second time round.

Nobody's arguing. You claim to be a fan, plenty on here doubt that. It's as simple as that. I wouldn't worry about it.

[KRBFC]

You said we'd spent half a billion and look where we are. Am I mistaken - were you actually praising Dyche ?
Mmmm, thought not.

Dyche has not worked on pennies, you're quite correct. Problem is, other managers have had even more to work with.
Still, if you honestly think we're competing on a level playing field in the PL, I guess there's not much else to say...

We've been in the PL for 8 years, earnt close to a billion £ in TV money. Brentford have been in the PL for 6 months and player for player, they have a better side than us, a younger side than us and have better young talent. They also play a modern formation.

[evensteadiereddie]

That's why I asked him to compare more like for like - Newcastle, Leeds and Watford. I could have added Villa, Fulham, Bournemouth, WBA or Brighton.

He couldn't.


You reckon Brentford will be in the PL for six years and spending less than us ? Aye, course they will. Just like Sheff Utd did.

[KRBFC]

That's why I asked him to compare more like for like - Newcastle, Leeds and Watford. I could have added Villa, Fulham, Bournemouth, WBA or Brighton.

He couldn't.

I could say the exact same thing about Leeds, they've been in the PL for a year and a half, we've been in for 8 years. Player for player, they're miles ahead. System wise they're miles ahead, entertainment wise they're miles ahead. They haven't spent a shed ton of money, one of their only expensive signings Rodrigo doesn't even start for them and was injured today.

Ayling Cooper Dallas Harrison Klich Bamford Forshaw Phillips Struijk their main core players, cost less than we spent on Gibson and Vydra combined.

[CombatClaret]

It's not SD that has the "glass ceiling", is it - it's the whole club, the whole town. There is no way on earth that we can ever become an "established" PL side, we haven't the resources or the fan base. What we do have is a club and a manager who do their level best to get results from a diminishing team. The odds have always been stacked against us - massively - but we've survived. We may not this time but , ffs, let's not blame a manager who has given us probably four more years in the PL than anyone expected.
We carry on grafting, sensible reinforcements in January, if possible, and then - worst case scenario - look at what it's going to take to get out of the Championship.

My turn to agree with you.
Ridiculous as it sounds our club isn't the problem, it's the Premier League that has the problem.
The only way to become a perennial Premier League team is to have near state-level backing.

[CombatClaret]

We've been in the PL for 8 years, earnt close to a billion £ in TV money. Brentford have been in the PL for 6 months and player for player, they have a better side than us, a younger side than us and have better young talent. They also play a modern formation.

All you're doing is pointing at a team at the beginning of the Premier League boom/bust cycle while we're at the end. They'll be back down in six years or less having spent all the money trying to tread water.
And someone like you on their board will be pointing at whatever fresh young championship team has just come up asking why can't we be like them. The league is the real problem, not Burnley.

[KRBFC]

All you're doing is pointing at a team at the beginning of the Premier League boom/bust cycle while we're at the end. They'll be back down in six years or less having spent all the money trying to tread water.
And someone like you on their board will be pointing at whatever fresh young championship team has just come up asking why can't we be like them. The league is the real problem, not Burnley.

and fans are wondering why we're at the end because the money spent hasn't been good enough.

[CombatClaret]

and fans are wondering why we're at the end because the money spent hasn't been good enough.

With the owners we had, they could have put thier entire personal fortune in & it would have been a drop in the ocean.
If you want to be a league perennial you need near nation state level backing.
This isn't a tale of mismanagement it's one of inevitable circumstances which were always going to catch us.

[BabylonClaret]

I could say the exact same thing about Leeds, they've been in the PL for a year and a half, we've been in for 8 years. Player for player, they're miles ahead. System wise they're miles ahead, entertainment wise they're miles ahead. They haven't spent a shed ton of money, one of their only expensive signings Rodrigo doesn't even start for them and was injured today.

Ayling Cooper Dallas Harrison Klich Bamford Forshaw Phillips Struijk their main core players, cost less than we spent on Gibson and Vydra combined.

But they will be costing far more in their new contracts. When we were first promoted our core side cost less than most bottom prem teams 2 or 3 players. Garlick had a heart attack when we quified for Europe and that's when he decided to ease of and get out.

[Luppy]

I said it before. Stephens for McNeil was the change. Solidify the middle whilst taking an uninterested player off. Wood (as poor as he was again) had to stay on as a focal point. Changing like for like is a Dyche thing though. He has little tactical imagination. Predictable. If anything it made us more unbalanced and worse off too.

Pretty much how I saw it - once those substitutions were made, I don't think we had a clue what we were meant to be doing. In the end going long to two lads who will win little or nothing in the air was just bizarre.