Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[burnley007]

After all those years under Dyche and Garlick, with transfer windows coming and going and nowt happening....we now have armmagedon every window!!

[AGENT_CLARET]

I predict Hannibal will be the player of the year come the end of this season

[NL Claret]

That smells like Everton

I'd be shocked if that happened, I dont think Ings is on Dyches Christmas card list.

[AGENT_CLARET]

After all those years under Dyche and Garlick, with transfer windows coming and going and nowt happening....we now have armmagedon every window!!

Alan, it keeps the blood pumping

[Mattster]

So he's ok as a player, it's just that we've possibly paid too much?

That's what I've been saying, yes.

[Tricky Trevor]

I thought that was pretty standard for managers these days a portion of player sales money. Didn't Steve Cotterill have such a clause in his contract?

Not sure about “these days” but it grates. They are paid outrageous salaries to build a team and improve the players and then they get bonus for doing their job. Especially in our instance where players are bought young and will naturally improve anyway.
As referenced it was the 90s & 00s managers that annoyed me initially. The figures were astronomical.

[Row x]

Manchester evening news reporting Hannibal is a permanent transfer, not a loan with obligation

[Stonehouse]

Ah yes I misinterpreted. That's a tricky one though, 2 of them were too good for us and didn't stay long term just like the current bunch. It must be difficult to find players that will want to stay long term but are also good enough to challenge at the top.

Our team looks short of technical ability to me because they are the ones that are most in demand. For me we need to be looking at players like zaroury/benson who can create and beat men 1 v 1. Is it that important other they are here that long? I'm not sure it is. If we can keep Brownhill then we have a few leaders in him, Worrall, Rodriguez, Cullen and possibly Ekdal. I think that's enough to carry the dressing room, it's the actual quality we are missing now.

If Brownhill’s one of our leaders we are in deep **** his contribution against Sunderland was pathetic .The only time he looks any good is if he latches on to a through ball and has a shot and don’t get me going about his dead ball play.

[RVclaret]

MEN reporting Hannibal is a permanent deal, not loan to buy.

https://x.com/stevenrailston/status/182 ... 61529?s=46

[Row x]

That's what I've been saying, yes.

If he's a good player I don't care about the extra 5m to be honest

[Intoclaret]

That's what I've been saying, yes.

We must refer to you in the future to get accurate player valuations then?

[Boydesque]

Danny Ings in the championship would be fantastic
There’s your 20 goal a season man

[CoolClaret]

Posters are getting caught up in the semantics a bit.

The point on the Anthony deal is that basically for what, 14 months, the rhetoric/deflection has been "buy young prospects low, sell high", well, here we're signing someone who is a year older for more money than the player we've just sold and has a similar record in the Championship.

(similar to the arg of losing O'Shea and replacing him with Worral/Humphries).

It's not about criticising the new lads before they've kicked the ball, it's criticism of the 'project' which is looking more scattergun/desperate than methodical with each passing day.

[Conroy92]

I was asked about this on Saturday - my answers are not overly helpful

Thanks Chester.

[LongsideClaret]

MEN reporting Hannibal is a permanent deal, not loan to buy.

https://x.com/stevenrailston/status/182 ... 61529?s=46

Had this confirmed, payment structure will be similar to a loan with obligation in terms of next to nothing being due immediately then £4m due next year.

[Tricky Trevor]

If Brownhill’s one of our leaders we are in deep **** his contribution against Sunderland was pathetic .The only time he looks any good is if he latches on to a through ball and has a shot and don’t get me going about his dead ball play.

So you base a players worth on one game where the opposition took our midfielders out of the game by getting it wide as quickly as possible and attacking our FBs.
Feed the dog and don’t trip over your white stick.

[bumba]

Not sat in the medical room he wouldn't

Nearly played as many games as Foster last season

[whiffa]

Little update for the thread:

INS:
Etienne Green
Vaclav Hladky
Bashir Humphreys
Joe Worrall
Shurandy Sambo
Lucas Pires
Andreas Hountondji
Maxime Esteve
Johann Berg Gudmundsson (since left)

OUTS:
Arijanet Muric
Bailey Peacock-Farrell
Lawrence Vigouroux
Dara O’Shea
Charlie Taylor
Samuel Bastien
Sander Berge
Jack Cork
Scott Twine
Johann Berg Gudmundsson
Darko Churlinov (loan)
Dara Costelloe (loan)
Wilson Odobert
Anass Zaroury
Michael Mellon (loan)
Michael Obafemi (loan)

Potential other out-goings/rumours:
James Trafford
Wout Weghorst
Manuel Benson
Ameen Al-Dakhil
Zeki Amdouni
Luca Koleosho
Luke McNally
Josh Brownhill

Suspected medicals/potential incomings:
Hannibal Mejbri (Perm deal on loan structure?) - Man Utd
Jaidon Anthony (loan with obligation to buy if promoted) - Bournemouth
Jeremy Sarmiento - Brighton

Might've missed a couple but saves reading back.

[123EasyasBFC]

Had this confirmed, payment structure will be similar to a loan with obligation in terms of next to nothing being due immediately then £4m due next year.

Seems an excellent deal, will United have big sell on and a buy back clause?

[Elizabeth]

While all of this is shocking I still stand with my prediction that we will sneak into a play off place by the end of the season.
Good manager at this level and the new team will have got use to each other by the end of the season .
Best being prepared for the bumps in the first half of the season starting with Sat where a draw would be a good result. I’m prepared for the owners to get a bad reception at the end of the game if we get beat because what they have done has clearly not gone down well with many.

[Conroy92]

I think some of the posters on here should be ashamed by their comments towards the owners of Burnley FC over the past few days. I am concerned by some of your remarks. Then i look at your usernames and it doesn't shock me one bit. I will leave it there, but i believe the posters with half a brain will recognise what i am trying to say.

Is that you Russel Ball?

[Vegas Claret]

35 secs.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU9QjbJCYC8&t=18s

[Mattster]

If he's a good player I don't care about the extra 5m to be honest

Well I do when we're apparently so desperate for cash we're flogging all our best players. Throwing away an extra £5m in that context is bad.

My point was/is we've just sold a better, younger winger for less than we're agreeing to pay for an older, worse one. In any context that's bad business. If you're happy with that then cool. I'm not.

[Silkyskills1]

3 full internationals. Jack Cork especially is a special player and would be a fine addition on a free. If you saw Massengo and Brownhills completely lack of ability in terms of receiving the ball against Sunderland when pressed and progressing it effectively then you surely are aware of this.

Yes,I was there and witnessed the whole debacle. Seen plenty of performances over many years like that and seen recovery from them. Jack Cork's presence would not have improved what I saw at the weekend. Been great for us but the emphasis is on 'been' I'm afraid.

[watsonsclarets]

Hannabal, who I have watched over 10 times will add something on both sides of the ball for us, he can play carry -play and tackle and is mobile with energy He may need a hand from Cullen at times but he an upgrade and has the potential to play at a decent level in Europe's top 5 divisions given time. Give him love and he will repay us.

[123EasyasBFC]

Posters are getting caught up in the semantics a bit.

The point on the Anthony deal is that basically for what, 14 months, the rhetoric/deflection has been "buy young prospects low, sell high", well, here we're signing someone who is a year older for more money than the player we've just sold and has a similar record in the Championship.

(similar to the arg of losing O'Shea and replacing him with Worral/Humphries).

It's not about criticising the new lads before they've kicked the ball, it's criticism of the 'project' which is looking more scattergun/desperate than methodical with each passing day.

Or finally they have realised the project has to change

[bobinho]

Posters are getting caught up in the semantics a bit.

The point on the Anthony deal is that basically for what, 14 months, the rhetoric/deflection has been "buy young prospects low, sell high", well, here we're signing someone who is a year older for more money than the player we've just sold and has a similar record in the Championship.

(similar to the arg of losing O'Shea and replacing him with Worral/Humphries).

It's not about criticising the new lads before they've kicked the ball, it's criticism of the 'project' which is looking more scattergun/desperate than methodical with each passing day.

How is planning for the inevitable loss of a centre half by buying a well respected and capable centre half to replace him before he leaves, a scattergun approach?

I’d say it’s the exact opposite. In fact, it’s excellent.

Oh, and while I’m here, please enlighten us as to what the ‘project’ is.

[billyhamilton82]

I'm happy with the 3 players - I just don't see the point of signing Anthony for more money than we brought in selling Zaroury as he's a worse player.. If he was £5m I'd have no problem with it at all.

We don't have to pay anything, unless we win promotion, that's the point.

its a great deal.

If we win promotion then who really cares if its 5 or 10?

In fact its highly likely he'd have had a great season if we get promoted and might regain his previous form under Parker and be worth much more.

Its a fair deal whichever way you look at it.

[Goody1975]

Had this confirmed, payment structure will be similar to a loan with obligation in terms of next to nothing being due immediately then £4m due next year.

That's good news.

I think many on here thought we needed a central midfielder before Berge left (I certainly did), that void seemed to be filled to some extent by Massengo but I have a nagging feeling that another central midfielder is a must and without it we are seriously short for a 46 game season.

[CoolClaret]

How is planning for the inevitable loss of a centre half by buying a well respected and capable centre half to replace him before he leaves, a scattergun approach?

I’d say it’s the exact opposite. In fact, it’s excellent.

Oh, and while I’m here, please enlighten us as to what the ‘project’ is.

No, there's no way that we have an 'inevitable loss' of a centre half that has been under contract for 12 months.

As for the 'project', that's the point - you tell me what it is!

[ervi34]

We don't have to pay anything, unless we win promotion, that's the point.

its a great deal.

If we win promotion then who really cares if its 5 or 10?

In fact its highly likely he'd have had a great season if we get promoted and might regain his previous form under Parker and be worth much more.

Its a fair deal whichever way you look at it.

I mean, if Anthony proves to be a good signing, scores 10 goals and assists 5 and we go up, then no one will care about his price. But we can also go up with him becoming a flop who will we need to pay 10 m for.

[Row x]

Well I do when we're apparently so desperate for cash we're flogging all our best players. Throwing away an extra £5m in that context is bad.

My point was/is we've just sold a better, younger winger for less than we're agreeing to pay for an older, worse one. In any context that's bad business. If you're happy with that then cool. I'm not.

That's not why some players are leaving, and even if they were 5m doesn't add that much in the scheme of things, I'm happy with it, some won't be, that's life.

[Mattster]

We don't have to pay anything, unless we win promotion, that's the point.

its a great deal.

If we win promotion then who really cares if its 5 or 10?

In fact its highly likely he'd have had a great season if we get promoted and might regain his previous form under Parker and be worth much more.

Its a fair deal whichever way you look at it.

Whether it's £10m now or £10m in the future it's still £10m and it's still more than we sold a better, younger winger for.

Worth noting that Parker dropped Anthony to the bench as soon as Bournemouth were in the Premier League. He's not going to go up in value.

[kentonclaret]

While all of this is shocking I still stand with my prediction that we will sneak into a play off place by the end of the season.
Good manager at this level and the new team will have got use to each other by the end of the season .
Best being prepared for the bumps in the first half of the season starting with Sat where a draw would be a good result. I’m prepared for the owners to get a bad reception at the end of the game if we get beat because what they have done has clearly not gone down well with many.

Given the fact that the bookmakers are still pricing Burnley up as 4/1 second favourites behind Leeds United (7/2), just sneaking into the playoffs will be viewed by many as a somewhat disappointing season. Especially given the fact that the 3rd placed team in the betting are Middlesbrough at 12/1.

[kentonclaret]

We desperately need a striker who is going to add 15 goals plus as Tella did if we have any serious ambitions of getting into the promotion shake up at the end of the season.

[bobinho]

Well I do when we're apparently so desperate for cash we're flogging all our best players. Throwing away an extra £5m in that context is bad.

My point was/is we've just sold a better, younger winger for less than we're agreeing to pay for an older, worse one. In any context that's bad business. If you're happy with that then cool. I'm not.

What would you be happy with? Sneaky bid at the last minute for Son at Spurs? How about selling Rodriguez for £40m plus add ons if he gets a haircut?

You used the word ‘apparently’ in your first para…. I’d suggest the ******** that followed it is only apparent to you, and a few other posters who really are so desperate for us to implode for no other reason than they can say “told ya”.

We clearly aren’t so desperate to sell anyone, but when bigger clubs at a higher level come in with silly money for your better players to play at the higher level, on vastly increased wages, what do you REALLY think is going to happen? It’s really not that hard to work out is it?

[Commy]

MEN reporting Hannibal is a permanent deal, not loan to buy.

https://x.com/stevenrailston/status/182 ... 61529?s=46

It makes more sense seeing he is out of contract next year. A bit daft loaning with an option when we could have him for nothing. Or tribunal cost.

[Steddyman]

I shall be upset if Brownhill or Koleosho goes, and depressed but resigned to it if Amdouni goes. Reality though is today’s possible signings are all good ones. Hell fire, whinging about £10m IF we go up - I’d snatch your hand off for that possibility right now.

The one position that still worries me is up front. We need a 20 goal a season man and I worry we won’t have one come Saturday. We used to buy crackers at this level (Ings, Grey, Vokes etc) and I sense we will need one more this time too, to supplement Foster and co.

I endorse this message.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Whether it's £10m now or £10m in the future it's still £10m and it's still more than we sold a better, younger winger for.

Worth noting that Parker dropped Anthony to the bench as soon as Bournemouth were in the Premier League. He's not going to go up in value.

No he didn't. He played in 30 of the 38 league game's

[billyhamilton82]

I mean, if Anthony proves to be a good signing, scores 10 goals and assists 5 and we go up, then no one will care about his price. But we can also go up with him becoming a flop who will we need to pay 10 m for.

If, in the unlikely event we go up, and Anthony doesn't contribute at all even with his presence in the squad putting pressure on the players in front of him then yes we will have to pay £10m for a flop.

A small price to pay for a return to the EPL.

BUT if we had to buy him now, he would cost a minimum of £5m.

Wouldn't it be a more expensive mistake to pay £5m as a Championship club rather than £10m as a Premier League club if he flops and you have to keep him and pay his wages?

[Mattster]

No he didn't. He played in 30 of the 38 league game's

Parker managed 4 games in the Premier League for Bournemouth before being sacked. Anthony was dropped to the bench for their opening game of the season, not even coming off the bench to make an appearance until the 3rd of those 4 games.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Hanabil deal is done permanent not a loan, announcement video coming soon can't wait for this one

[RVclaret]

Tresor going to Nice on loan. Puts an end to the health speculation.

[Row x]

Tresor possibly on the move

[Row x]

Tresor going to Nice on loan. Puts an end to the health speculation.

Does it?

[morninbob]

Loan with an option to nice, not been accepted yet.

[Mattster]

What would you be happy with? Sneaky bid at the last minute for Son at Spurs? How about selling Rodriguez for £40m plus add ons if he gets a haircut?

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing in between thinking we're spending £5m over what the player is worth and these two scenarios you've put out.

Well done.

[MDWat]

Had this confirmed, payment structure will be similar to a loan with obligation in terms of next to nothing being due immediately then £4m due next year.

Bit of a snip at that price, to be fair.

[Murger]

So much for Tresor being ill. What a shower.

[Steddyman]

Tresor going to Nice on loan. Puts an end to the health speculation.

I really hope this isn't true. He has bags of potential and with an arm around his shoulders could rip up this league.