England vs Slovakia

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:22 pm

Score predictions? I'll go 2-0 England.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:27 pm

I predict
1) they will win the group in style
2) they will get knocked out in the group stage in Russia
3) they will win group in style
4) they will get knocked out in the group stage in Qatar
Etc
Etc

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:31 pm

TVC15 wrote:I predict
1) they will win the group in style
2) they will get knocked out in the group stage in Russia
3) they will win group in style
4) they will get knocked out in the group stage in Qatar
Etc
Etc

So you'll be watching, then?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:32 pm

Well I hope it is 5-4 to England with Hart letting all four slip through his fingers and legs and leaves the pitch dribbling and emitting strange noises.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:39 pm

I expect England to win the game. Quite comfortably infact.

I don't expect them to win the World Cup as I don't expect West Ham to win the PL.

England get a lot of stick by Fans, pundits, media etc. But why are people expecting them to achieve things they simply ain't good enough to achieve?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:42 pm

Dyched wrote:I expect England to win the game. Quite comfortably infact.

I don't expect them to win the World Cup as I don't expect West Ham to win the PL.

England get a lot of stick by Fans, pundits, media etc. But why are people expecting them to achieve things they simply ain't good enough to achieve?

I think it's because we're not as good as what we want to be, and not as good as we should be. But for me it comes down to lack of technical ability. John Terry when he was playing for England - a good defender, but I've seen tanks turn quicker.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:46 pm

I agree. Until we have some of our best players playing in La Liga or even Serie A, we're unlikely to win anything.

2-0 this evening.

J50 · Post by **J50** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:46 pm

It's the manner of non-achievement and not the mere fact of failure that pisses people off.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:47 pm

Bang on J50.

Compare England and Burnley
Chalk and Cheese

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:48 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I think it's because we're not as good as what we want to be, and not as good as we should be. But for me it comes down to lack of technical ability. John Terry when he was playing for England - a good defender, but I've seen tanks turn quicker.

"Not as good as we should be."

That could some up England and their fans. They have no right to think they "should" be the best.

We as fans will choose club over country every time. I suspect players feel the same.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:48 pm

J50 wrote:It's the manner of non-achievement and not the mere fact of failure that pisses people off.

Is there much difference? Non-achieving and failing, are pretty similar.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:50 pm

It's the manner Frank

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:52 pm

Guich wrote:It's the manner Frank

So, is that down to the attitude of the players?

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:54 pm

I predict that Slovakia will be 2-0 up at half time. Hart will be taken off suffering from follicle damage and be replaced by Heaton who immediately saves a penalty and a rejuvenated England side go on to win 3-2

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:54 pm

I'd say it is Frank. They think they're better than they are. Whereas our players know how good they are.

Claret Kitch · Post by **Claret Kitch** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:58 pm

Only have to go back 10 years to see the difference.
Robinson v Hart. (Should be Heaton)
Cole v Bertrand.
JT v Cahill.
Rio v Jones.
Becks v Livermore
Stevie G v Dier.
Fat Frank v Henderson.
Those two that score all the Spurs goals are not too bad though. 3-1 England.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:07 pm

Slovakia must be pretty useful- they beat Scotland 3-0.
Mind- that was at home & they don't seem to travel well - say 3-0 to England.

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:09 pm

Expecting Slovakia win by the odd goal maybe 3-2.

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:14 pm

IanMcL wrote:Well I hope it is 5-4 to England with Hart letting all four slip through his fingers and legs and leaves the pitch dribbling and emitting strange noises.

Whats the point? He will start the next game even if he has an arm amputated.!! Southgate loves him

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:39 pm

Home advantage should be enough for England to edge it,however if it gets to HT 0-0 crowd may well get edgy, Slovenia at home and Lithuania away should equal 6 points for England, Slovakia still have to visit Hampden that's certainly not a gimme, hard to see them getting nine points from these 3 games so a draw may even be enough tonight.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:40 pm

4-0 England. But it'll be a boring game.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:14 pm

Scotland will win the England v Slovakia game.

Edit: Watch us draw with Malta.

J50 · Post by **J50** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:27 pm

FactualFrank wrote:So, is that down to the attitude of the players?

I think if you could answer that question and apply the answer to every match we play then you could be the manager and win something for a change.

Burnley players don't have the pressure of expection and so play so much better. Though when we played Lincoln for example the expectation was high and the players froze.

At least the expectation with England seems to be diminishing so maybe, just maybe...

Oh and I'd prefer that pie eating Sutton Utd reserve goalkeeper to Hart

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:27 pm

If (when) we carry the Malta performance into Russia we're going to be humiliated again. I'm coming to terms with the fact that Aidy Boothroyd will be managing England this time next year.

(3-0 England)

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:43 pm

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:50 pm

Spine of the England team:
1990: Shilton, Walker, Gascoigne, Lineker.......World Class
1996: Seaman, Adams, Gascoigne, Shearer......World Class
2002:James, Campbell, Gerrard, Owen..........Euro Class
Now: Hart, Cahill, Henderson, Kane.............wouldn't win in the CL
We've just gone backwards.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:51 pm

hoping for a 0-3 reverse. Southgate out

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:00 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:hoping for a 0-3 reverse. Southgate out

Yes, because a change of coach has done so well for us in the past.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:01 pm

piston broke wrote:Spine of the England team:
1990: Shilton, Walker, Gascoigne, Lineker.......World Class
1996: Seaman, Adams, Gascoigne, Shearer......World Class
2002:James, Campbell, Gerrard, Owen..........Euro Class
Now: Hart, Cahill, Henderson, Kane.............wouldn't win in the CL
We've just gone backwards.

Forget 2002. And 1996 was only decent because we were the host nation. You're going back to 1990 since we had a good team and I don't think we played that well even then.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:05 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Yes, because a change of coach has done so well for us in the past.

No because his Under 21's were utter dog **** to watch and always got knocked out early in Tournaments. He's a yes man and it's the one and only reason he got the job. His managerial CV is abject at best. Don't get me wrong, he seems a nice chap but there are plenty of nice blokes about who have a more impressive CV. The FA are clowns.

Regardless of Tom Heaton, Joe Hart has done NOTHING in 2 years to warrant being in the Squad never mind starting. Reputation and yes man mentality

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:18 pm

piston broke wrote:Spine of the England team:
1990: Shilton, Walker, Gascoigne, Lineker.......World Class
1996: Seaman, Adams, Gascoigne, Shearer......World Class
2002:James, Campbell, Gerrard, Owen..........Euro Class
Now: Hart, Cahill, Henderson, Kane.............wouldn't win in the CL
We've just gone backwards.

Walker was right back and Shilton was past it and shouldn't have been picked.

I am not sure that Seaman was even England class.

You are right though, that tonight's spine is poor for an England team hoping to do well in a world cup.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:37 pm

Siddo wrote:Walker was right back and Shilton was past it and shouldn't have been picked.

I am not sure that Seaman was even England class.

You are right though, that tonight's spine is poor for an England team hoping to do well in a world cup.

Des Walker was CH with Mark Wright

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:39 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Forget 2002. And 1996 was only decent because we were the host nation. You're going back to 1990 since we had a good team and I don't think we played that well even then.

Well if Gazza hadn't cut his toe nails we'd have beaten Germany and made the final so they weren't that bad.
96 lost on pens. 98 lost on pens.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:40 pm

Has to be said the England fans have voted with their feet at how **** Southgate and his team are. Don't think I've ever seen Wembley so empty for a qualifier !

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:41 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Forget 2002. And 1996 was only decent because we were the host nation. You're going back to 1990 since we had a good team and I don't think we played that well even then.

Always said that the claim we were good in Euro 96 was a myth.

Switzerland we were awful. 1-1

Scotland see above but we won 2-0

Holland we were outstanding won 4-1

Spain we were poor and very lucky drew 0-0 won on pens

Germany drew 1-1 played very well lost on pens.

So we drew 3 home games and won 2. Not exactly scintillating is it.

Siddo · Post by **Siddo** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:42 pm

piston broke wrote:Des Walker was CH with Mark Wright

Sony mate you are correct and he was class.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Has to be said the England fans have voted with their feet at how **** Southgate and his team are. Don't think I've ever seen Wembley so empty for a qualifier !

I was thinking the same thing - surprised how empty it is.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:44 pm

Our interests are aligned. Good luck Eng... nope. Can't do it.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:46 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I was thinking the same thing - surprised how empty it is.

Another reason to have the home games scattered around the country

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:47 pm

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:49 pm

and Joe Hart, ******* epic goalkeeping again. Southgate out

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:50 pm

f**k!

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:51 pm

Hart is genuinely awful

ClaretCanada · Post by **ClaretCanada** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:52 pm

Those wishing for a Hart bad game appear to have got their wish

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:53 pm

Hart caught playing musical statues there

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:53 pm

Who are the suitable candidates to replace Southgate?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:54 pm

Spijed wrote:Who are the suitable candidates to replace Southgate?

Anybody without a relegation on their Premier League CV would be a start

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Anybody without a relegation on their Premier League CV would be a start

Big Sam?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:55 pm

It's not Spurs can't play at Wembley. It's any team in white.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:55 pm

Spijed wrote:Who are the suitable candidates to replace Southgate?

Alan Shearer