ARTICLE: Cotterill follows Coyle back in work

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:46 am

Appointed Birmingham manager until summer 2020

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Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:49 am

I think he will keep them up. Had a tough job with us with the finances. Awful football but signed some great players for us which lead to greater things. Always has good things to say about our club too.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:50 am

Good for Steve.

A much more deserving case than horse face. Good luck to him.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:04 am

I'd have thought the Birmingham fans had suffered enough over the last year or so without this.

Claret Kitch · Post by **Claret Kitch** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:08 am

He will do well at Birmingham. Good Luck to the Fella.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:10 am

I think if the fans except him he could do a good job of steadying the ship there, much as he did for Burnley. I don't think anyone remembers his time here as vintage but it was necessary in order to lay the foundations for what was to follow. You cannot build without sound foundations Cotter ill will do the dirty work meticulously. That he is good at.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:13 am

He's a very good league one and below manager and will keep them up but I'm not sure that is what the owners want.

Its a strange appointment.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:16 am

Didn't we have quite a good unbeaten run with Cotterill?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:21 am

He hardly offers job security

Since he was sacked by Burnley he's been at

Notts County Feb 2010 to May 2010
Portsmouth June 2010 to October 2011
Forest October 2011 to July 2012
Bristol City Dec 2013 to January 2016.

He'll last until October 2018 at best.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:22 am

starting_11 wrote:Didn't we have quite a good unbeaten run with Cotterill?

19 games wasn't it?

Oh no, that was the opposite of an unbeaten run.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:25 am

Got 5 promotions on his CV and no relegations.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:29 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:He hardly offers job security

Since he was sacked by Burnley he's been at

Notts County Feb 2010 to May 2010
Portsmouth June 2010 to October 2011
Forest October 2011 to July 2012
Bristol City Dec 2013 to January 2016.

He'll last until October 2018 at best.

Two of those departures were to move on to other clubs. Was sacked virtually on day one by Fawaz whatever his name was at Forest and then sacked at Bristol City. They made a mess of the recruitment there when they won promotion for which he would have had a lot of responsibility and it ultimately cost him his job.

I know everyone knows I got on really well with him and I’m more than a bit biased but I think he could just be the right man for them and they’ve certainly been fortunate in swerving Karanka who looked the favourite for a while.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:37 am

It is always a difficult job comparing managers but I doubt many would have kept us up that first year after Stan left. McGreal Duff, Hyde, Sinclair and Cahill were great signings considering the money we had at the time with the later forced selling of Blake and Chaplow.
He certainly laid the foundations for OC's success IMO. Signed Wade for free too didn't he at the end of his first season?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:40 am

ClaretTony wrote:Two of those departures were to move on to other clubs. Was sacked virtually on day one by Fawaz whatever his name was at Forest and then sacked at Bristol City. They made a mess of the recruitment there when they won promotion for which he would have had a lot of responsibility and it ultimately cost him his job.

I know everyone knows I got on really well with him and I’m more than a bit biased but I think he could just be the right man for them and they’ve certainly been fortunate in swerving Karanka who looked the favourite for a while.

Karanka's record of reaching a Championship playoff final and then getting promotion the next year is streets ahead of anything Cotterill's ever done.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:59 am

Got 5 promotions on his CV and no relegations.

Right, and how many of them are from the championship to the premier league?

Which is where they are now, so its why I said he's a very good league one and below manager, and as the owners want promotion it does seem a strange choice.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:02 am

He'll sort the defence out. The key for Birmingham will be knowing when to bin him off.

If I was them it would be as soon as they hit 50 points.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:03 am

What's Cotterill's highest ever league finish in the Championship by the way?

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:22 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Karanka's record of reaching a Championship playoff final and then getting promotion the next year is streets ahead of anything Cotterill's ever done.

But Karanka has always had money to spend. At Burnley, SC had next to none. Hell, we couldn't fill the bench some matches. He is a much maligned manager. Good luck to him. I used to work with an ex-Bournemouth pro who played with SC. He said he was a great bloke.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:26 am

Was it Harry or SC who kept Brum up last season given SC was Harry's number 2 and declined to stay on this season?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:36 am

mdd2 wrote:Was it Harry or SC who kept Brum up last season given SC was Harry's number 2 and declined to stay on this season?

FUN FACT: Birmingham were not in the relegation zone all season. The lowest position they plumbed was under Redknapp.

9thMay1987 · Post by **9thMay1987** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:09 pm

With Lee Carsley in there as well, at last Birmingham have made some decent decisions.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:25 pm

Sub. 10k attendances by Christmas.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:28 pm

I thought Cotterill did a reasonable job with us under the circumstances. I always feel that his main let down is his management skills.

He comes over as being arrogant and nobody likes an arrogant person. He always appears to lose the dressing room at every club he manages.

I can't see him being there this time next year

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:39 pm

From Redknapp to Cotterill - that's quite the change!! Good luck Steve. He didn't do much wrong at our place. Yes we had that terrible run but we were a club on a shoestring budget and he worked miracles to even put a team together some seasons. The fact we didn't drop into League 1 was an achievement in itself!

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:48 pm

jlup1980 wrote:The fact we didn't drop into League 1

...and that's where he will take Birmingham, massively out of his depth.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:49 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:FUN FACT: Birmingham were not in the relegation zone all season. The lowest position they plumbed was under Redknapp.

Come on HR was in charge for the last two games 1-0 loss at Villa and 2-0 win at home to Huddersfield.
Zola won 2 of 22 when he was in charge of the league games last season and 2 of 24 including the FA cup

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:58 pm

The "no relegations on his CV" is a misleading stat whoever the manager is. Most of the managers who were the main cause of relegation get the bullet before it's confirmed.

Cotterill will probably keep Brum up, but eventually his limitations will start to make him unpopular and he'll get the sack. That could well happen before the contract he's just signed runs out.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:33 pm

I recall we never did well at wolves ...until cotterill arrived and we beat em midweek 2006/7 maybe.a step in the right direction I thought.

mkmel · Post by **mkmel** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:47 pm

Quicknick wrote:But Karanka has always had money to spend. At Burnley, SC had next to none. Hell, we couldn't fill the bench some matches. He is a much maligned manager. Good luck to him. I used to work with an ex-Bournemouth pro who played with SC. He said he was a great bloke.

Well I remember speaking to a current at that time pro footballer when Cotterill first joined us who said that Cotterill was not liked in the pro game and was arrogant and so far up his own backside.
So not liked

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:28 pm

It would have been that whiny voice.....

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:34 pm

He's still keeping up the O in BYMOTP.

The no money thing was a bit of an exaggeration. We were certainly nowhere near the highest spenders in the league but we were spending a fair bit more on wages than those at the bottom. Wayne Thomas for instance was tempted by pretty decent wages when a number of other clubs were involved and we signed plenty of other experienced players.

He'll do OK for a while in steadying the ship but I can't see him exceeding his limitations and he'll be gone in a year. Our mistake was keeping him after that period of stability, Coyle showed what a more talented manager could get out of that set of players.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:42 pm

A very good appointment by Brum. Stevie C is a top manager and without his stewardship we would be nowhere near where we are today. Good luck Stevie.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:47 pm

aggi wrote:He's still keeping up the O in BYMOTP.

The no money thing was a bit of an exaggeration. We were certainly nowhere near the highest spenders in the league but we were spending a fair bit more on wages than those at the bottom. Wayne Thomas for instance was tempted by pretty decent wages when a number of other clubs were involved and we signed plenty of other experienced players.

He'll do OK for a while in steadying the ship but I can't see him exceeding his limitations and he'll be gone in a year. Our mistake was keeping him after that period of stability, Coyle showed what a more talented manager could get out of that set of players.

He came out in the press with the quality above quantity statement so I presume we had a small squad. He also said he had spent one players budget on the sports science/medical team instead.

I still can't believe looking back that at Preston after the 19th game without a win there was no talk of him getting sacked from the fans.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:10 pm

Good luck to Steve Cotterill.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:14 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Karanka's record of reaching a Championship playoff final and then getting promotion the next year is streets ahead of anything Cotterill's ever done.

Followed by immediate relegation don't forget.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:18 pm

he struck me as a madman, and from an ex employee what i heard wasn't great. sounded a nasty character.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:10 am

In at Birmingham. Think he will do well. Good luck to him. Always liked him. Cant believe he is 53

dandeclaret · Post by **dandeclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:37 am

The crucifier is back..... Cotterball is alive and well on the midlands.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:18 am

It's been years since he left. Won't people let it go?

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!!

Oh, hang on....

... that's reserved for the other ex-manager on the other thread.

Anyway, Cotts has my best wishes but he's got his work cut out at Birmingham.

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:30 pm

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UpTheBeehole wrote:
FUN FACT: Birmingham were not in the relegation zone all season. The lowest position they plumbed was under Redknapp.

Come on HR was in charge for the last two games 1-0 loss at Villa and 2-0 win at home to Huddersfield.
Zola won 2 of 22 when he was in charge of the league games last season and 2 of 24 including the FA cup

HR in charge three games last season including last game which he won at Bristol City. So won two out of three!

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:11 pm

6-1 loss. Great start Cotterill!

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:13 pm

Looks like he as already lost the dressing room. Massive vote of no confidence from the Birmingham players, he will struggle to last out the year

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:23 pm

Walton wrote:6-1 loss. Great start Cotterill!

I knew some would be gloating but better to have done some checking first - he starts on Monday

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:26 pm

Excellent post, CT.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:28 pm

Top Claret wrote:Looks like he as already lost the dressing room. Massive vote of no confidence from the Birmingham players, he will struggle to last out the year

You going for Richard Head of the week award ?

COBBLE · Post by **COBBLE** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:38 pm

Good luck to him, deserves a proper go at the Championship. Built a squad from nothing to keep us up and might have had real success if the club hadn't kept selling his best strikers. Certainly knew how to pick a player.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:12 pm

Doesn't look like many were desperate to impress the new boss who was watching in the stands.

Could be 9-0-1 formation in 2 weeks.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:48 pm

Ahhh SC

The most awful football I have ever seen is play in my 25 years of watching Burnley. He builds a good bridge though

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
I know everyone knows I got on really well with him and I’m more than a bit biased

A bit!

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:07 pm

In Birminghams current predicament, Steve Cotterill is the ideal man to keep them in the Championship, and I am sure he will succeed in doing this.
As for those who are rubbishing his time at Burnley, you need to give your heads a wobble. He was the right man at the right time for us and ensured a period of stability at Burnley FC. I wish him all the best in his new job at Birmingham City.