One of our players out on loan

See link
https://www.uptheclarets.com/nartey-mak ... -loan-move

Excellent move and I wish him well.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:06 pm

Excellent move and I wish him well.

He's gone to Mansfield, not Burton.

Yeah, I realised that immediately

I think he'll be in good hands with Nigel Clough !

Looks to me like another player who has no chance of making it with us but who might leave for a fee. In a way, these are quite depressing transactions

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:30 pm

Looks to me like another player who has no chance of making it with us but who might leave for a fee. In a way, these are quite depressing transactions

It's good we are getting to the level where we can make some money on the occasional youngster. Anyone we happen to get in the first team like McNeil is a bonus but it's far off being the norm.

This is one of the reasons watching youth football is tough now. It's very hard for anyone to make it in our first team and there's a quick turn over period where if they aren't considered good enough they are soon shipped out. It's not like it would be if we were lower league.

Clarets4me wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:25 pm

I think he'll be in good hands with Nigel Clough !

Clough is a good friend of Dyche too and Nartey played for him at Burton

Is that it then? No more loans for our youngsters? No loans to our partner clubs. Where does this leave the likes of Thomas, Glennon, Mancini, Thompson and Richardson?

I guess the benefits of working with a manager like Clough must outweigh the disadvantage of playing at a lower level than Nartey did previously.

dibraidio wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:36 am

Is that it then? No more loans for our youngsters? No loans to our partner clubs. Where does this leave the likes of Thomas, Glennon, Mancini, Thompson and Richardson?

It's probably a promising sign to be honest. These loans often mean we've given up on players. Development of those players is probably deemed better at Burnley.

May have been different if there were some better teams interested, but you aren't going to develop players with quality by loaning them out to poor leagues.

How does Harry Kane fit your analysis? Or closer to home Jay Rodrigues?

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:38 am

How does Harry Kane fit your analysis? Or closer to home Jay Rodrigues?

Don't waste your time, dimitri knows more about youth development than anyone on here, hence his non stop criticism of pretty everything in the youth set up.

Would love to see his CV working in this field, must be fairly impressive.

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:38 am

How does Harry Kane fit your analysis? Or closer to home Jay Rodrigues?

Exceptions,

superdimitri wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:21 am

These loans often mean we've given up on players.

Might have been at one time but definitely not the case now.

He played 25 games for Burton in the 19-20 season, so it’s a bit disappointing seeing him going on loan to league 2 now.

Played in League one 2 years ago so this is a step down which is surprising but playing league football is much better than Under 23 level

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:12 am

Might have been at one time but definitely not the case now.

22 and deemed maybe good enough for League 2. Hardly promising, is it?

He's clearly never gonna make it with us in the next season or so. Give him a chance to get in the shop window, get some more experience and get a deal somewhere to start climbing his way back up the leagues. If we can get a little fee for him then all the better.

diamondpocket wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:10 am

He's clearly never gonna make it with us in the next season or so. Give him a chance to get in the shop window, get some more experience and get a deal somewhere to start climbing his way back up the leagues. If we can get a little fee for him then all the better.

We wouldn't have offered him a deal had it not been beneficial for us. It might be another for whom we get a fee.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:01 am

22 and deemed maybe good enough for League 2. Hardly promising, is it?

My comment didn't relate to Nartey but a reply to a more general comment from superdimitri that he seems to repeat every time a young player goes out on loan.

sure

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:27 am

We wouldn't have offered him a deal had it not been beneficial for us. It might be another for whom we get a fee.

agreed. We have finally got the ball rolling with the youth setup & U23s and for all the negligence in the first team transfer setup under the previous ownership for the last few seasons at least they have concentrated on this area of the club well. We seem to have got a steady flow of promising young players who they see can develop into footballers at whatever level, even if it isn't with us in the long term. All these fees add up and can make a nice little contribution to a club like ours and if every now & then a Jay / Dwight can come along, as the law averages say it should, then we should have a bright in this aspect of the club.

I think he looks like a decent, young, strong defender. He may have some potential

I think this is a very good move. Get him involved in first team training and give him games. Far from writing him off I think this demonstrates a good no risk benefit for all involved, with the cushion of another years contract beyond the loan.

Great to see the club working like this. I think the lad could well have a long term future at the club and for those writing him off I simply ask on what grounds…. Working for a manager whose experience in the lower leagues and developing teams that can go on to success? A player getting first team football who at best was likely to sit in the stiffs for a season? Or that our staff are busy integrating first team members into the squad for the next season?

I wish him well and look forward to him returning a better player.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:12 am

Might have been at one time but definitely not the case now.

I assume you made this comment because you know something we don't regarding how the club view Nartey's potential?

superdimitri wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:47 pm

I assume you made this comment because you know something we don't regarding how the club view Nartey's potential?

No. I have an understanding as to how our academy is set up.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:30 pm

Looks to me like another player who has no chance of making it with us but who might leave for a fee. In a way, these are quite depressing transactions

I'd encourage you to take a look at the amount of players teams like Chelsea and Arsenal release every year - it's truly staggering

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:52 pm

No. I have an understanding as to how our academy is set up.

Could you elaborate? What has changed?

To be fair to me, the reason I repeat it each time is because I always see people each time get their hopes up making posts along the lines of 'good move for him, clearly has some promise'...with false hopes thinking a player into his twenties is going to break through to our first team. I think the days of that happening when we loan players to such a low level are long over.

It would be different if he was off to a championship team. As much as we all want someone to make it into our first team squad we can't fawn over loan moves to poor opposition when the player is already of an age where if he was good enough, he'd already been in our first team.

Success rate from 9 years old to pro contract is about 0.5%.
If this figure is correct we are doing better than average!

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:01 am

22 and deemed maybe good enough for League 2. Hardly promising, is it?

Kevin Long went to League 2 (Accrington Stanley) at 22.

He's now a regular Ireland international, with around 40 premier League appearances and a regular matchday squad player.

IAmAClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:02 pm

Kevin Long went to League 2 (Accrington Stanley) at 22.

He's now a regular Ireland international, with around 40 premier League appearances and a regular matchday squad player.

And he’s absolute bobbins

IAmAClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:02 pm

Kevin Long went to League 2 (Accrington Stanley) at 22.

He's now a regular Ireland international, with around 40 premier League appearances and a regular matchday squad player.

Does that work out at 5 games per season?