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ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:03 pm
by ClaretTony
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:26 pm
by claretblue
'...None of Corey Brennan, Tremaine Eastmond, Lukas Jensen, Lewis Thomas and Harry Williams, who are all still listed as Burnley players by the club, are named in today’s release...'
what does anyone think the reason or significance of this is?
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:31 pm
by fidelcastro
Was it just Mee and Tarkowski of the released first team squad that were offered new deals?
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:33 pm
by TheFamilyCat
claretblue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:26 pm
'...None of Corey Brennan, Tremaine Eastmond, Lukas Jensen, Lewis Thomas and Harry Williams, who are all still listed as Burnley players by the club, are named in today’s release...'
what does anyone think the reason or significance of this is?
Jensen's got his eye on a testimonial already.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:23 pm
by ClaretTony
fidelcastro wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:31 pm
Was it just Mee and Tarkowski of the released first team squad that were offered new deals?
Doesn't look as though Mee was - but seems Cork & Vydra have
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:29 pm
by helmclaret
Exciting times.
A fresh start.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:42 pm
by tiger76
The good news we've got several high earners off the wage bill, the bad news we've somehow got to fund replacements.
But a large scale reset is long overdue, as the present squad was clearly on it's last legs.
And now we've removed the deadwood the promise of new signings will hopefully mark the start of a brand new era in our history.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:55 pm
by bfcjg
Wish them all well, especially the youngsters,hope they get fixed up.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:16 pm
by FCBurnley
I will defer until start of the season when we should know which of our contracted players have been sold and which new players have been bought or loaned. By then we will hopefully have a new Manager and coaching staff !!!
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:17 pm
by boatshed bill
claretblue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:26 pm
'...None of Corey Brennan, Tremaine Eastmond, Lukas Jensen, Lewis Thomas and Harry Williams, who are all still listed as Burnley players by the club, are named in today’s release...'
what does anyone think the reason or significance of this is?
i thought some of those had already gone
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:20 pm
by buzzclarets79
Well ones for sure, it’s going to be one interesting summer.
Changing of the guard.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:47 pm
by bobinho
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:23 pm
Doesn't look as though Mee was - but seems Cork & Vydra have
I find that absolutely bizarre that Mee hasn’t been offered anything…
And worrying.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:50 pm
by tarkys_ears
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:33 pm
Jensen's got his eye on a testimonial already.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:57 pm
by ClaretTony
bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:47 pm
I find that absolutely bizarre that Mee hasn’t been offered anything…
And worrying.
That’s how it reads. They’ve singled out Tarkowski as a player who had opted to leave but not the case with Mee.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:06 pm
by fidelcastro
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:57 pm
That’s how it reads. They’ve singled out Tarkowski as a player who had opted to leave but not the case with Mee.
Well, it can't be that he just isn't wanted. Was he on too much money and we just guessed he wouldn't take that much of a cut? It really doesn't make sense to just offer him nothing.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:08 pm
by Chester Perry
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:16 pm
I will defer until start of the season
just 7 weeks now
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:17 pm
by rob63
claretblue wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:26 pm
'...None of Corey Brennan, Tremaine Eastmond, Lukas Jensen, Lewis Thomas and Harry Williams, who are all still listed as Burnley players by the club, are named in today’s release...'
what does anyone think the reason or significance of this is?
All appear to be out of contract this month, maybe they've indicated they'd sign a new contract but haven't done so as yet?
Any surprises for anyone off the list?
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:20 pm
by Nonayforever
A small part of me wanted Dyche to have a reset like we have had today but he was to set in his ways.
It's going to be bumpy but interesting watching it all unfold as the season progresses.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:21 pm
by boatshed bill
rob63 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:17 pm
All appear to be out of contract this month, maybe they've indicated they'd sign a new contract but haven't done so as yet?
Any surprises for anyone off the list?
I thought they'd hang on to Lukas Jensen ahead of Sam Waller.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:31 pm
by DCWat
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:57 pm
That’s how it reads. They’ve singled out Tarkowski as a player who had opted to leave but not the case with Mee.
If Mee wasn’t offered a new deal, it’s bordering on insanity!
A leader on and off the pitch is surely just what we need. It sounded, throughout last season, that a deal had been offered / discussed, so for him now not to have been offered a deal doesn’t stack up.
If he hasn’t been offered a deal, it really is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:47 pm
by Herts Clarets
DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:31 pm
If Mee wasn’t offered a new deal, it’s bordering on insanity!
A leader on and off the pitch is surely just what we need. It sounded, throughout last season, that a deal had been offered / discussed, so for him now not to have been offered a deal doesn’t stack up.
If he hasn’t been offered a deal, it really is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Maybe the new manager wants a different demographic. Mee, Pieters, Bardsley, Stephens and Lennon are all over 30. Ben Mee will go down as one of our greatest players in the Premier League era but as has been pointed out, in the past 3 seasons he has missed a chunk of the season through injury.
Personally I hope one day we see Ben back at the Turf in a coaching capacity one day.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:51 pm
by rob63
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:21 pm
I thought they'd hang on to Lukas Jensen ahead of Sam Waller.
They fought a few to get Harry Williams too, hadn't he made some 1st XI appearances at W Brom?
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:54 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Mee not being offered a deal and Dyche leaving with more or less ALL the backroom team implies to me that Kompany had been in discussions for quite some time. May be wrong, but I can’t see some of those decisions made unless a new guy was lined up who had made his feelings clear.
I think we all know Kompany will want defenders who can play out from the back, though my own view is that Mee’s leadership and solidity could have been vital.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:31 pm
by DCWat
Herts Clarets wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:47 pm
Maybe the new manager wants a different demographic. Mee, Pieters, Bardsley, Stephens and Lennon are all over 30. Ben Mee will go down as one of our greatest players in the Premier League era but as has been pointed out, in the past 3 seasons he has missed a chunk of the season through injury.
Personally I hope one day we see Ben back at the Turf in a coaching capacity one day.
How many of those were age related injuries as opposed to the sort of injury that anyone can pick up? His latest was a fractured bone.
You’re right, Kompany may want a different demographic but that doesn’t quite tally with Rodriguez, Vydra and Cork (discounting Barnes as I think it was in his favour).
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:32 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:31 pm
How many of those were age related injuries as opposed to the sort of injury that anyone can pick up? His latest was a fractured bone.
You’re right, Kompany may want a different demographic but that doesn’t quite tally with Rodriguez, Vydra and Cork (discounting Barnes as I think it was in his favour).
Why would any sane manager not want arguably the best Cb in the division
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:36 pm
by DCWat
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:32 pm
Why would any sane manager not want arguably the best Cb in the division
It baffles me, if that is the case.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:53 pm
by bf2k
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:23 pm
Doesn't look as though Mee was - but seems Cork & Vydra have
Surely, surely that’s because he’s indicated he didn’t want to stay.
Mee leaving is the only one that didn’t sit well with me. I thought he owed us at least a year more.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:06 pm
by RVclaret
Ben Mee turned down a two year offer from us according to Chris Boden:
‘James Tarkowski will leave for a Premier League club, with Everton pushing hard for his signature, while Ben Mee is also expected to stay in the top flight, having turned down a two-year deal at Turf Moor, having been at the club since the summer of 2011.’
This is from his article on Barnes renewing.
Seems like we offered him a new deal but he decided to move on, probably with several PL offers on the table.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:07 pm
by woody
bf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:53 pm
Surely, surely that’s because he’s indicated he didn’t want to stay.
Mee leaving is the only one that didn’t sit well with me. I thought he owed us at least a year more.
I can’t believe anyone would think that Ben Mee owed us anything, he doesn’t.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:09 pm
by Cheshireclaret
bf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:53 pm
Surely, surely that’s because he’s indicated he didn’t want to stay.
Mee leaving is the only one that didn’t sit well with me. I thought he owed us at least a year more.
Ben Mee owes us absolutely nothing as far as I am concerned. He seldom, if ever, left anything on the pitch and if anyone sums up the Dyche-era in terms of the on the pitch activities it's that man, alongside Tom Heaton.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:11 pm
by bf2k
woody wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:07 pm
I can’t believe anyone would think that Ben Mee owed us anything, he doesn’t.
Don’t know what it is but it just doesn’t sit right that he’s going on a free.
Interesting to know why you don’t think he owes something to the club.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:15 pm
by dandeclaret
Has the club ever had a larger released list?
From successful stability, to complete change…..
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:16 pm
by bf2k
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:15 pm
Has the club ever had a larger released list?
From successful stability, to complete change…..
I was thinking this. The stability and some of the players leaving really does with me.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:19 pm
by Wokingclaret
bf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:16 pm
I was thinking this. The stability and some of the players leaving really does with me.
We are now in a new timeline, it got changed 22nd May 2022
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:25 pm
by MACCA
DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:31 pm
If Mee wasn’t offered a new deal, it’s bordering on insanity!
He was, but it all depended which division we were playing in.
He wasn't prepared to drop a division and take the cut required
If we had stayed up, Mee would have signed on again.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:26 pm
by BOYSIE31
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:23 pm
Doesn't look as though Mee was - but seems Cork & Vydra have
You said he had agreed a deal the other week so which was it ?
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:29 pm
by colne-claret
DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:31 pm
If Mee wasn’t offered a new deal, it’s bordering on insanity!
A leader on and off the pitch is surely just what we need. It sounded, throughout last season, that a deal had been offered / discussed, so for him now not to have been offered a deal doesn’t stack up.
If he hasn’t been offered a deal, it really is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
He will be looking for one big final payday. He's 33 in September, rumoured to have been on 65/70k with us. I imagine he will have been demanding a similar wage. He's had injury problems at the end of the last 3 seasons. On a new deal with Burnley he would have been highest earner. Would he be able to play in 46 games next season? I'm not sure. It's sad to see him leave but I understand the decision not to renew. I just hope he gets a decent send off by the club.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:31 pm
by boatshed bill
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:15 pm
Has the club ever had a larger released list?
From successful stability, to complete change…..
Has the club previously given details of U23 and U18 and 1st team departures at the same time?
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:32 pm
by BOYSIE31
Clear out should have been done 2 seasons ago and gradually
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:37 pm
by bf2k
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:19 pm
We are now in a new timeline, it got changed 22nd May 2022
You do know players can play for different managers don’t you? Ben Mee is evidence of that.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:14 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:26 pm
You said he had agreed a deal the other week so which was it ?
Tony stated that he'd been told by someone he trusted that a deal had been agreed with Mee, but he's never said one was signed
Maybe it was initially agreed but Mee changed his mind due to an offer from elsewhere, or the new manager wanted to let Mee go, it could be a variety of reasons.
We'll never know
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:20 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
bf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:11 pm
Don’t know what it is but it just doesn’t sit right that he’s going on a free.
Interesting to know why you don’t think he owes something to the club.
Ben Mee and Burnley football club were a brilliant partnership whilst it lasted but neither side was obliged to carry it on for any longer, that's just how football/business is.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:28 pm
by MACCA
BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:26 pm
You said he had agreed a deal the other week so which was it ?
He was offered a deal, but it all depended which division we were playing in.
He wasn't prepared to drop a division and take the cut required
If we had stayed up, Mee would have signed on again.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:31 pm
by BOYSIE31
MACCA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:28 pm
He was offered a deal, but it all depended which division we were playing in.
He wasn't prepared to drop a division and take the cut required
If we had stayed up, Mee would have signed on again.
I think he knew he would be 3 rd choice behind Collins and the lad coming from city
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:54 pm
by Dy1geo
As much as I like Mee, Collins is the future and with Kompany rumoured to be bringing in a City centre half on loan, it may have been the case that he was told he could be bench warming and Mee might at his age not wanted that.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:18 am
by Steddyman
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:23 pm
Doesn't look as though Mee was - but seems Cork & Vydra have
Really? Do we know that for sure? Article a week ago in the Athletic was saying it was down to Ben who had Premier League interest so was going to leave.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:18 am
by Wokingclaret
bf2k wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:37 pm
You do know players can play for different managers don’t you? Ben Mee is evidence of that.
Yes, but that is now in the mirror universe
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:00 am
by bfcmik
DCWat wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:31 pm
If Mee wasn’t offered a new deal, it’s bordering on insanity!
A leader on and off the pitch is surely just what we need. It sounded, throughout last season, that a deal had been offered / discussed, so for him now not to have been offered a deal doesn’t stack up.
If he hasn’t been offered a deal, it really is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
He has a history of holding on until the last minute. I think he will wait until he gets to talk with the new manager, and possibly what sort of offers he gets, before committing to a new deal.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:41 am
by JarrowClaret
Steddyman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:18 am
Really? Do we know that for sure? Article a week ago in the Athletic was saying it was down to Ben who had Premier League interest so was going to leave.
No we don’t but CT is referring to how it was written which says that Tarky rejected a contract or words to that effect and nothing for Ben Mee. So this suggests that Mee wasn’t offered a contract more likely it is yet more poor communication from within the Club of I’m honest.
Re: ARTICLE: Twenty-one players leave as Clarets clear the decks
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:37 am
by Beagle
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:15 pm
Has the club ever had a larger released list?
From successful stability, to complete change…..
The stability served us well for a long time, but I don’t think you could call it successful based off the last two seasons’ showings.
