Something we all knew, at £10m for the best keeper in the prem.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/footbal ... Eddie-Howe

I’d just rather forget this transfer ever happened. Why we sold him for that much I’ll never ever know.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:59 pm

I’d just rather forget this transfer ever happened. Why we sold him for that much I’ll never ever know.

Presumably a clause in the contract?

Not another thread about Pope's transfer fee.

There wasn't a bidding war he wanted to go.....just what is so difficult to get ???

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:46 pm

There wasn't a bidding war he wanted to go.....just what is so difficult to get ???

I get this but surely you wouldn't have sold him for £100 would you ? So the question is what is the minimum acceptable price ? , and many would think it's above £10M

Way above £10m

A literal giveaway.

It’s been done to death but I’m amazed that any Burnley fan who watches the team regularly can think anything other than he was sold too cheaply.

The problem was, our own circumstances appear to have necessitated the need for a quick sale. Newcastle took advantage and have earned themselves an absolute bargain in the process.

Wonder how he would have been accommodated by VK who likes to follow Guardiola's method of passing out from the back come what may.

Stalbansclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:28 pm

I get this but surely you wouldn't have sold him for £100 would you ? So the question is what is the minimum acceptable price ? , and many would think it's above £10M

I agree, it was daylight robbery, however if the 10 million is the release clause and no one else was interested what could the club do ? Forme he is by far and away the best English keeper and in the top 3 of Premier league keepers. United.must be kicking themselves but the bull that he couldn't pass put a lot of teams off.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:40 pm

I agree, it was daylight robbery, however if the 10 million is the release clause and no one else was interested what could the club do ? Forme he is by far and away the best English keeper and in the top 3 of Premier league keepers. United.must be kicking themselves but the bull that he couldn't pass put a lot of teams off.

Was there such a release clause?

Absolutely a steal. Unbelievable really. BUT maybe it balances out the robbery for Wood!!!

taio wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:41 pm

Was there such a release clause?

I'd have thought so, if we managed to hold out for 20 million for Dwight then surely the club would have held out for at least more then this for Pope.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:44 pm

I'd have thought so, if we managed to hold out for 20 million for Dwight then surely the club would have held out for at least more then this for Pope.

First time I've heard there was a £10m release clause.

Release clause has never been mentioned. Red herring.

I'm just surmising as to why the 10 million was accepted, I suppose only the clubs and Pope know, also it did appear at time that no one else was interested.

Age was the reason. If he was younger, he would have gone for a lot more.

And we KNOW that this oft quoted £10 million figure is accurate/true/the full and final amount, because...?

He was under contract and if he breaks into the England team for the World Cup and enjoys a great tournament - he'll be valued at least triple what Newcastle just paid for him.

Biggest downgrade in our clubs history.

6m and Muric for Pope.

Oh well.

Did he not have just twelve months left on his contract? If so the 10 million on offer was the last chance we’d get any money for him!

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:56 pm

And we KNOW that this oft quoted £10 million figure is accurate/true/the full and final amount, because...?

Precisely - the fee has never actually been revealed or confirmed. True to form, there are endless conversations regarding something none of us have any knowledge of!

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:11 pm

Biggest downgrade in our clubs history.

6m and Muric for Pope.

Oh well.

Not true. We let Peter Swan go on a free and spaffed £150,000 on Steven Blatherwick and £200,000 on Lee Howey.

So we spent a significant amount of our transfer budget on two immobile potatoes and let a talented professional footballer leave for nothing.

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:24 pm

Did he not have just twelve months left on his contract? If so the 10 million on offer was the last chance we’d get any money for him!

And by the same logic, if we can get promotion we will be able next summer to offer Everton £10m for Pickford, who will be of similar age and with a year left on his contract, and Everton will be only too glad to sell! Or perhaps not.

jackmiggins wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:32 pm

Precisely - the fee has never actually been revealed or confirmed. True to form, there are endless conversations regarding something none of us have any knowledge of!

Didn't the terms of the loan drawdown from Macquarie confirm that it was £10m?

Have you seen the terms?

jackmiggins wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:37 pm

Have you seen the terms?

If I had seen the terms I wouldn't be asking what the terms were, would I.

But I believe other people have seen the terms and I hope they can confirm them.

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:35 pm

Didn't the terms of the loan drawdown from Macquarie confirm that it was £10m?

In short No

They specified a total of £7m in payments over the next three summers for the outstanding element of the Pope transaction - No need for them to know what, if anything, was paid up front

Those Payments which will now go directly from the FA (the transfer clearing House) to Macquarie are of £2.34m, £2.33m and £2.33m

Andy Jones in The Athletic is adamant that the Pope fee was almost £11m by the way

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:41 am

In short No

They specified a total of £7m in payments over the next three summers for the outstanding element of the Pope transaction - No need for them to know what, if anything, was paid up front

Those Payments which will now go directly from the FA (the transfer clearing House) to Macquarie are of £2.34m, £2.33m and £2.33m

Andy Jones in The Athletic is adamant that the Pope fee was almost £11m by the way

Thanks. So I suppose the £10m came from the supposition that the first payment was similar value to the others.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:48 pm

Something we all knew, at £10m for the best keeper in the prem.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/footbal ... Eddie-Howe

we paid 1 million for him, yes, it was a steal for us

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:43 am

we paid 1 million for him, yes, it was a steal for us

He was a raw ingredient at the time..... he was undersold as the finished article.

I’m 100% certain the fee would have been higher if there had been a bidding war. Unfortunately for us there was only Newcastle who formalised their interest with an offer.

That left all the cards in their hands. We needed a sale to fund our early (much needed) rebuild, Pope was desperate to remain in the PL and we probably didn’t want to get in his way. Then there’s the question of whether Pope is a good fit for our new possession based system anyway…

So, all things considered, 11m with the possibility to rise to 13-15m with add ons is nowhere near as bad a deal as made out by some. If you read comments without knowing the fee, you’d probably guess the sale was 5-7m.

23 year old international keeper in for 2.5m, who is a key cog in the new managers system, all in all it’s good business.

You can spin it as much as you want, but it just isn’t. The club probably realised, after Charlton cut and debt factoring about £5-6m in value. Or Muric and £3m….. which is probably why €5m strikers are out of the clubs price range.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:46 am

You can spin it as much as you want, but it just isn’t. The club probably realised, after Charlton cut and debt factoring about £5-6m in value. Or Muric and £3m….. which is probably why €5m strikers are out of the clubs price range.

You have zero clue if €5m strikers are out of the clubs price range.

Would he be playing if he'd stayed?

Like Ben Mee, It's obvious certain players wouldn't work under the system VK wants to adopt.

When considering the fee paid, including the net benefit or lack of to our club, Pope's ability and that he's an England international, it will I believe be considered by many to be one of the signings, if not the best signing, of the summer. A fantastic or good deal for Newcastle; not for our club.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:38 am

Pope was desperate to remain in the PL and we probably didn’t want to get in his way.

I wouldn't accuse others of having zero clue if I was resorting to hyperbole and supposition.

Duffer_ wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:53 am

I wouldn't accuse others of having zero clue if I was resorting to hyperbole and supposition.

Pope said in his recent interview with the Athletic how he had heard of Newcastle’s interest weeks before the deal and was keen for it to progress. He also said Southgate told him playing in the Championship would affect his chances of making the World Cup squad.

As for not standing in his way, an Athletic article by Andy Jones suggested there had been conversations with Pope and we would not stand it his way, should fair offers be received.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:48 am

You have zero clue if €5m strikers are out of the clubs price range.

Interesting given your suggestion that we will get up to £15m for him. We won't.

I do wish those who claimed we should have sold him for far more would tell us which bid we should have accepted.

We had quite a few posters claiming he wouldn't get a look in at a Premier League club due to his kicking but then we should have held out for a bidding war. If you run a 1 horse race 100 times how many different outcomes would you get.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:00 am

I do wish those who claimed we should have sold him for far more would tell us which bid we should have accepted.

We had quite a few posters claiming he wouldn't get a look in at a Premier League club due to his kicking but then we should have held out for a bidding war. If you run a 1 horse race 100 times how many different outcomes would you get.

He was always bound to get a decent PL club, just never one who plays out from the back.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:01 am

He was always bound to get a decent PL club, just never one who plays out from the back.

How many decent PL clubs are there then who don't play out from the back

Fee will rise to £13m if he wins Ballon D’Or - twice and has to be consecutively. The way he has started for Newcastle not totally out of the question !

With the payment to Charlton and less our invoice factoring fees we will end up with closer to £5m than £10m.

I’m sure every football fan, pundit, current or ex player who watched the performances of our old and new keepers over the weekend that £2m or £3m net in our “debt servicing” account to end up with what we now have in our goals represented transfer market dealings only Man United would be proud of.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:00 am

I do wish those who claimed we should have sold him for far more would tell us which bid we should have accepted.

We had quite a few posters claiming he wouldn't get a look in at a Premier League club due to his kicking but then we should have held out for a bidding war. If you run a 1 horse race 100 times how many different outcomes would you get.

You’re mixing wide groups of people. He’s one of the top 5 keepers in the country. If newcastles bid was the only one on the table at deadline day, then by all means accept it then. Surely when negotiating you use all the leverage you can…. Time should have been on our side, and we just casually tossed that leverage away.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:04 am

How many decent PL clubs are there then who don't play out from the back

Newcastle?

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:00 am

I do wish those who claimed we should have sold him for far more would tell us which bid we should have accepted.

We had quite a few posters claiming he wouldn't get a look in at a Premier League club due to his kicking but then we should have held out for a bidding war. If you run a 1 horse race 100 times how many different outcomes would you get.

We could have held out for a higher fee and/or other interest rather facilitating such a quick deal.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:06 am

You’re mixing wide groups of people. He’s one of the top 5 keepers in the country. If newcastles bid was the only one on the table at deadline day, then by all means accept it then. Surely when negotiating you use all the leverage you can…. Time should have been on our side, and we just casually tossed that leverage away.

Exactly….and I do not buy at all the timing issue that we needed this to fund incomings given that firstly we have ended up with only around £5m and secondly we must have been very confident that Cornet would be sold and we knew that fee was guaranteed.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:06 am

You’re mixing wide groups of people. He’s one of the top 5 keepers in the country. If newcastles bid was the only one on the table at deadline day, then by all means accept it then. Surely when negotiating you use all the leverage you can…. Time should have been on our side, and we just casually tossed that leverage away.

So we wait til deadline day, hoping Newcastle will sit there and wait, and if Newcastle move on and nobody else comes in ?

The club already knew if relegated he wanted to move on, considering again that at the fee being quoted still nobody else came in and at least matched Newcastle's bid ? There is 1 week to go in the window which Prem clubs are currently still looking for a new number 1 goalkeeper.

Everybody accepts we would have liked more money but whinging over and over about what we got when the proof is there were no other offers is just dull.

taio wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:07 am

We could have held out for a higher fee and/or other interest rather facilitating such a quick deal.

Again I will ask, why did no other club match Newcastle's bid ?

Which Prem clubs are still looking for a new number 1 and which have signed a new number 1 this summer ?

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:12 am

So we wait til deadline day, hoping Newcastle will sit there and wait, and if Newcastle move on and nobody else comes in ?

The club already knew if relegated he wanted to move on, considering again that at the fee being quoted still nobody else came in and at least matched Newcastle's bid ? There is 1 week to go in the window which Prem clubs are currently still looking for a new number 1 goalkeeper.

Everybody accepts we would have liked more money but whinging over and over about what we got when the proof is there were no other offers is just dull.

The thread title makes it crystal clear what this thread is about without having to even open it. Those who dont want to see people's views could have easily stayed away from this particular thread.