When did two Burnley keepers last line up against other in an International?

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:07 pm

When did two Burnley keepers last line up against other in an International?

I don't think it's ever happened.
Where is CT?

We must have some sort of record with the sheer number of international keepers we have had on the books in the last 10years.
Top of my head.
Paul Robinson
Tom Heaton
Nick Pope
Anders Lindegaard
Joe Hart
Wayne Hennessy
BPF
Arni Muric
and I feel I’ve missed one.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:07 pm

When did two Burnley keepers last line up against other in an International?

In the England v Wales Under-23 International in 1972 we had Alan Stevenson representing England and Jeff Parton in goal for Wales.

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:57 pm

In the England v Wales Under-23 International in 1972 we had Alan Stevenson representing England and Jeff Parton in goal for Wales.

Stevenson didn't seem to miss many games, I actually can't recall if Jeff pulled on a jersey in anger for us?

In terms of full Internationals Colin McDonald (arguably our greatest ever keeper) played several times for England including every single game in the 1958 World Cup.

His understudy at the time here was Adam Blacklaw, but Adam didn't make his full Scotland debut until 1963.

Gerry Peyton? He had a long international career... though not much of it with Burnley.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:16 pm

Stevenson didn't seem to miss many games, I actually can't recall if Jeff pulled on a jersey in anger for us?

Jeff played three times for our first team - 2 in 1971/72 and 1 in 1973/74.

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:24 pm

Jeff played three times for our first team - 2 in 1971/72 and 1 in 1973/74.

Thanks, I'm pretty sure I saw those games, just can't recall.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:19 pm

Gerry Peyton? He had a long international career... though not much of it with Burnley.

Gerry had a long and illustrious International career playing some 33 times for the Republic of Ireland whilst mainly with Fulham and Bournemouth, but he never played for them whilst at Burnley.

Apparently his early form at Fulham was so good that Don Revie called him up to the England under-21 squad but he turned that down in favour of playing for Ireland because of his desire to play for the country of his parents' birth.

Remarkably Gerry is still the interim coach of Indian Super League club Odisha FC.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:18 pm

We must have some sort of record with the sheer number of international keepers we have had on the books in the last 10years.
Top of my head.
Paul Robinson
Tom Heaton
Nick Pope
Anders Lindegaard
Joe Hart
Wayne Hennessy
BPF
Arni Muric
and I feel I’ve missed one.

Matt Gilks?

If we can stretch it back to 2009, Gabor Kiraly made 27 appearances for us, and was capped 108 times for Hungary ..

I was so impressed by Gerry Peyton's rugby boots.

If we go even further Nik Michopoulos, and Chris Woods. Not a dreadful record over the last 25 years, especially given the levels we've played at.

Nick Pope should be having double the amount of caps he has but for Muppet Southgate ignoring Nicks obvious superiority over all other keepers

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:53 am

Nick Pope should be having double the amount of caps he has but for Muppet Southgate ignoring Nicks obvious superiority over all other keepers

Every football pundit and journalist cites Nick's inadequacy with his feet as being a hindrance to him being a top class keeper. In today's game you have to be good with your feet. Nick plainly and obviously isn't. Hence he will never be first choice for England. Sad but true.
How many shots did he have to save on Friday. Very few. How many opportunities did he have to start another attack, quite a lot. However his distribution was poor, putting Italy on the front foot and England out of shape.

Loyal Supporter wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 am

Every football pundit and journalist cites Nick's inadequacy with his feet as being a hindrance to him being a top class keeper. In today's game you have to be good with your feet. Nick plainly and obviously isn't. Hence he will never be first choice for England. Sad but true.
How many shots did he have to save on Friday. Very few. How many opportunities did he have to start another attack, quite a lot. However his distribution was poor, putting Italy on the front foot and England out of shape.

Yep, I’m hoping now he’s no longer at Burnley that our fans might be a bit more balanced

Loyal Supporter wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 am

Every football pundit and journalist cites Nick's inadequacy with his feet as being a hindrance to him being a top class keeper. In today's game you have to be good with your feet. Nick plainly and obviously isn't. Hence he will never be first choice for England. Sad but true.
How many shots did he have to save on Friday. Very few. How many opportunities did he have to start another attack, quite a lot. However his distribution was poor, putting Italy on the front foot and England out of shape.

This is spot on.

Loyal Supporter wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 am

Every football pundit and journalist cites Nick's inadequacy with his feet as being a hindrance to him being a top class keeper. In today's game you have to be good with your feet. Nick plainly and obviously isn't. Hence he will never be first choice for England. Sad but true.
How many shots did he have to save on Friday. Very few. How many opportunities did he have to start another attack, quite a lot. However his distribution was poor, putting Italy on the front foot and England out of shape.

This is why Muric is SO important to us. He shouldn’t have that many saves to make given how we hold the ball, so his ability to distribute is a huge asset.

Loyal Supporter wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 am

Every football pundit and journalist cites Nick's inadequacy with his feet as being a hindrance to him being a top class keeper. In today's game you have to be good with your feet. Nick plainly and obviously isn't. Hence he will never be first choice for England. Sad but true.
How many shots did he have to save on Friday. Very few. How many opportunities did he have to start another attack, quite a lot. However his distribution was poor, putting Italy on the front foot and England out of shape.

The thing with Pope is that he'd make a save that many others including Muric will never be capable of. He had an uncanny knack of sticking out a boot and deflecting almost certain goals the other side of the post for a corner.

It seems in this day and age being a very good goal keeper and being a brilliant shot stopper is very much secondary to how well you can pass a football.

2 decent performances by both keepers last night

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:19 pm

Matt Gilks?

Gabor Kiraly

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:18 pm

We must have some sort of record with the sheer number of international keepers we have had on the books in the last 10years.
Top of my head.
Paul Robinson
Tom Heaton
Nick Pope
Anders Lindegaard
Joe Hart
Wayne Hennessy
BPF
Arni Muric
and I feel I’ve missed one.

Gabor kiraly

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:45 am

The thing with Pope is that he'd make a save that many others including Muric will never be capable of. He had an uncanny knack of sticking out a boot and deflecting almost certain goals the other side of the post for a corner.

It seems in this day and age being a very good goal keeper and being a brilliant shot stopper is very much secondary to how well you can pass a football.

Couple of wild assumptions in there, Spijed.
No reason why Muric should not become as good a shot-stopper as Nick Pope.
Pickford is probably a better shot-stopper than NP.

A little earlier Danny Coyne as well.

Brian Jensen always felt good enough to play for Denmark, if that counts?

Danny Coyne was also an international goalkeeper.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:18 pm

We must have some sort of record with the sheer number of international keepers we have had on the books in the last 10years.
Top of my head.
Paul Robinson
Tom Heaton
Nick Pope
Anders Lindegaard
Joe Hart
Wayne Hennessy
BPF
Arni Muric
and I feel I’ve missed one.

Diego Penny also. I'd be reluctant to count Hart, Robinson and Gilks as they weren't capped while at Burnley but by my count in the last 20 years we've had
2 English
2 Welsh
1 Danish
1 Northern Irish
1 Greek
1 Peruvian
1 Hungarian
1 Kosovan

All playing for their country while at Burnley. Not bad going.

Loyal Supporter wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:08 am

Every football pundit and journalist cites Nick's inadequacy with his feet as being a hindrance to him being a top class keeper.

I don't think there are many pundits or journalists who would say Pope isn't a top class keeper. He's the best English goalkeeper there is and has been for some time now.

However, it's very much a horses for courses thing and the likes of Pickford and Ramsdale are clearly better with their feet (although not to the huge extent some would have you believe). There's no reason why the manager shouldn't pick the players depending on the game. Where England are likely to have most of the possession, have a keeper who can move the ball around and start attacks. In the big games where they'll need to make more saves and do some proper goalkeeping, it's Pope every time.

On Muric, I think he looks a cracking keeper for 23 and he's vital to the way we play. Will he be as good as Pope? Could be, with more experience and the right coaching. He's got that Pope trait of standing up as long as possible and making himself big. Plenty more to come from him, I think.

I'm struggling to remember Pope costing us any goals with his bad feet.

Muric might become a decent keeper, he has time on his hands. But at the moment he's a championship keeper who puts his team mates under pressure every game.

He shouldn't even be in the same conversation as Pope, maybe judge him against John Spicer, he was better with his feet than his hands as well.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:41 am

I'm struggling to remember Pope costing us any goals with his bad feet.

Maybe cause Dyche’s instruction was to launch it to Barnes / Wood / the crowd every time?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:47 am

Maybe cause Dyche’s instruction was to launch it to Barnes / Wood / the crowd every time?

That's not what happened every time. And one of the most noticeable changes under Jackson was Pope playing it short more often.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:54 am

That's not what happened every time. And one of the most noticeable changes under Jackson was Pope playing it short more often.

More often than not Pope would punt it long. He admitted in an interview lately this was instructional. There was never any delicate chips to wingers / full backs like modern keepers (like Muric/Ramsdale/Pickford) are capable of. He tried a few of those the other night and they all went out of play.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:58 am

More often than not Pope would punt it long. He admitted in an interview lately this was instructional. There was never any delicate chips to wingers / full backs like modern keepers (like Muric/Ramsdale/Pickford) are capable of. He tried a few of those the other night and they all went out of play.

Yes, but you said every time and it certainly wasn't the case under Jackson. Pope was and is an excellent keeper despite his only weakness.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:01 pm

Yes, but you said every time and it certainly wasn't the case under Jackson. Pope was and is an excellent keeper despite his only weakness.

In some of the earlier games under Jackson I’d agree.

And yes he is a top tier keeper at literally everything else.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:41 am

I'm struggling to remember Pope costing us any goals with his bad feet.

One on a very windy night at Newcastle is all I can come up with.

The funny thing is that we have watched our Championship squad goalkeepers playing in an international match, both making very good saves, yet we end up in a debate about the merits of our ex keeper.