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He probably posts on here as well...Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 10:14 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 43506.html
Just been reading this article which suggests it's one of the premier leagues worst ever relegations.
Agreed but how many points/goals have we just gifted to those world class players without making them work for them
Going off the number of times we gave the ball away in our defensive third yesterday, I think it's fair to say he hasn't learnt a damn thing.
Very damning and spot on. Naive.Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 10:14 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 43506.html
Just been reading this article which suggests it's one of the premier leagues worst ever relegations.
Richard not so Jolly was doing okay till he mentioned Harwood-Bellis being better than any cb we’ve had this season. Which is basically complete nonsense so I’ve discarded the rest of it.Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 10:14 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 43506.html
Just been reading this article which suggests it's one of the premier leagues worst ever relegations.
The points about us forgetting the basics and about VK thinking players take 100 sessions to get up to speed are pretty much unanswerable.Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 10:14 amhttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 43506.html
Just been reading this article which suggests it's one of the premier leagues worst ever relegations.
Yesquoonbeatz wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 10:48 amIsn't he that guy who spends his time tweeting out really shite facts during games?
Athletic article yesterday quoted £90m. I reckon it will total up even less than that as options/bonuses/clauses due to staying up won’t be triggered. As an example the media claimed Leeds paid £33m for Rutter last January, it came out this season that was £24m as a staying up clause wasn’t met.
It was likely around £100 million. The point is not the exact figure because the figure is never exact but the fact that it is a significant sum.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:15 amAthletic article yesterday quoted £90m. I reckon it will total up even less than that as options/bonuses/clauses due to staying up won’t be triggered. As an example the media claimed Leeds paid £33m for Rutter last January, it came out this season that was £24m as a staying up clause wasn’t met.
Agree on largely being spent unwisely for this season though.
The difference isn't worth discarding a whole article especially when what we paid is all speculative. His underling point was that we've spent a lot of money and generally not well, which is correct.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:15 amAthletic article yesterday quoted £90m. I reckon it will total up even less than that as options/bonuses/clauses due to staying up won’t be triggered. As an example the media claimed Leeds paid £33m for Rutter last January, it came out this season that was £24m as a staying up clause wasn’t met.
Agree on largely being spent unwisely for this season though.
My worry is about the number of worriers on here. Absolutely chockablock. Probably hasn't is probably more likely to be probably has.
Get what you are saying but I just can never really get on board with someone sensationalising things and suggesting THB (part of a Southampton defence that’s conceded 63 goals in the much inferior Championship) is better than any defender we’ve got is puzzling to say the least.
If that’s your take on the content of the article, it’s pretty pointless us even being in the Premier League.
We're 2 appalling decisions away from a home game to stay in the league. Maybe we're not as far off it as some seem to wish we were.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 10:51 amYes we've been lousy but being robbed of points at Forest and against Luton have also cost us. Had the goal at Forest not been incorrectly disallowed we'd be playing them to stay up next week.
I don't think it's sensationalised.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:40 amGet what you are saying but I just can never really get on board with someone sensationalising things and suggesting THB (part of a Southampton defence that’s conceded 63 goals in the much inferior Championship) is better than any defender we’ve got is puzzling to say the least.
Luton, Everton, Brentford, Wolves, Forest, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Palace etc, don’t have WORLD CLASS players. There’s up to 48 points available from those teams alone. We don’t even need to compete with WORLD CLASS players.
Aren’t we the first team in history to be promoted with over 100 points and get less than 40 points in the prem?
THB was part of a Championship side that conceded just 35 goals the season before. I think we should've signed him. It's hardly outlandish for someone to have the opinion he'd have been our best defender.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:40 amGet what you are saying but I just can never really get on board with someone sensationalising things and suggesting THB (part of a Southampton defence that’s conceded 63 goals in the much inferior Championship) is better than any defender we’ve got is puzzling to say the least.
Can we stop pretending like we haven’t spent?alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:58 amFor those who have watched the highlights on motd, and then further highlights of times throughout the season and Alan shearer and micah Richards comments they've summed up perfectly why the season has gone so badly, it was there for everyone to see. I've been a big advocate of muric for instance, and still believe him to be a better keeper than Trafford, but after yesterday's showing is clearly not the answer, however I can't lay all the blame on the player's, blame has to lay at vk's door because he's asking players to play the system he wants which some are clearly not capable of. Although for a club like us it could be said we've spent big, but in a nutshell £100m is a drop in the ocean compared to the £70m spent on Alexander isak for instance. So unless we find a billionaire that will put in to the club kompany has to realise we have to play a system etc that suits our strengths.
He was out injured for most of the season and wasn’t part of our best defence so don’t think we should’ve signed him for 15-20m. I do think it’s quite outlandish for someone to be adamant he’d have been our best defender if someone had actually watched the level of the Prem this season. O’Shea and Esteve are both better.
Not pretending anything of the sort, fully agree we have spent a sizeable amount for a club of our stature. There's clearly other reasons we've had a poor season, I've also always been a big advocate of the fact it's 11 v11 on the pitch, but as I've also stated, we needed to play players in their correct positions and play to our strengths, that's mainly on vk and he's decisions and management and style, the fact that in game 37 of the season and he's still playing players out of position and persevering with the same style etc, tells me he's learnt the square root of nothing. The most burning question is why would you break up potentially the best side I've seen practically in my lifetime, without giving them a chance after winning the Championship in such style, yes we needed a few quality additions, but to blow a big chunk of our budget on 2 player's that are garbage imo and totally unproven in the Premier league was madness.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:01 pmCan we stop pretending like we haven’t spent?
We were top spenders in the championship and then the season after we were in the top ten spenders in Europe.
People are making out like we are playing with pennys. The club just spent poorly prioritised the wrong positions
Prem is a completely different level now to what it was in the past so any comparison is daft. It’s complete recency bias. Newcastle in 7th have one of the best strikers in the world right now and Brazils best midfielder who other teams want for 100m. However it’s FACTUAL that our points total is not even close to one of the worst. In fact one more point and we’d match Southampton last season who had a stronger squad and spent more money!Neil wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:53 amI don't think it's sensationalised.
He said it's one of the premier leagues worst relegations "in it's own way" meaning we had all the tools in place to make a better fist of it than a Derby or Sunderland for example or this seasons Sheff utd and Luton.
We had the manager (seemingly) the momentum gained from over a hundred points and the biggest transfer kitty the club has ever seen, regardless of what the actual figure is.
As for his suggestion that THB is better than any centre half at the club, it's a subjective opinion.
Based on last season I suspect most would have preferred him to O'shea to start the premier league campaign.
Quite significantly better as well, though THB is probably a better passer of the ball but in terms of defending - aerially/tackling/running back to goal there's no comparison.
Out injured for most of the season?RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:27 pmHe was out injured for most of the season and wasn’t part of our best defence so don’t think we should’ve signed him for 15-20m. I do think it’s quite outlandish for someone to be adamant he’d have been our best defender if someone had actually watched the level of the Prem this season. O’Shea and Esteve are both better.
Dyched wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:55 amLuton, Everton, Brentford, Wolves, Forest, Sheff Utd, Bournemouth, Palace etc, don’t have WORLD CLASS players. There’s up to 48 points available from those teams alone. We don’t even need to compete with WORLD CLASS players.
Fans go on about 'The likes of' but most of those clubs are way more expirienced and have better quality players.
We competed with the teams equal to us, that was Luton and Sheff Utd. Coulda, Shoulda or Woulda taken points against the others but it's a fact of life that often reality dampens expectation.
Is it that much better though when Wood is still getting double figures and the likes of Tarkowski & Mee are still highly regarded defenders in the Prem?RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:31 pmPrem is a completely different level now to what it was in the past so any comparison is daft. It’s complete recency bias. Newcastle in 7th have one of the best strikers in the world right now and Brazils best midfielder who other teams want for 100m. However it’s FACTUAL that our points total is not even close to one of the worst. In fact one more point and we’d match Southampton last season who had a stronger squad and spent more money!
Hmmm, Esteve has improved and O'shea too but still not good enough. THB might not have faired much better but believe he has a better footballing brain. Ultimately we needed an experienced centre half, goalkeeper, left back, midfielder and StrikerRVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:27 pmHe was out injured for most of the season and wasn’t part of our best defence so don’t think we should’ve signed him for 15-20m. I do think it’s quite outlandish for someone to be adamant he’d have been our best defender if someone had actually watched the level of the Prem this season. O’Shea and Esteve are both better.
Again, he said it's one worst relegations "in it's own way" so FACTUAL doesn't come into it.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:31 pmPrem is a completely different level now to what it was in the past so any comparison is daft. It’s complete recency bias. Newcastle in 7th have one of the best strikers in the world right now and Brazils best midfielder who other teams want for 100m. However it’s FACTUAL that our points total is not even close to one of the worst. In fact one more point and we’d match Southampton last season who had a stronger squad and spent more money!
The article reflects what anyone can say 'after the event', there were very few questioning our signings at the time.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 11:55 amAren’t we the first team in history to be promoted with over 100 points and get less than 40 points in the prem?
I know we are first time to be relegated after achieving promotion on 100 points but the extent in which we have failed is nothing short of an embarrassment.
Some fans will do whatever they can to deflect but that article is good and hits some home truths
There were loads of people questioning the signings, balance and inexperience last summer. The number of wingers for example was a running joke on here.JohnMac wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:46 pmThe article reflects what anyone can say 'after the event', there were very few questioning our signings at the time.
Hindsight is wonderful, especially for a journalist who has a platform. I wonder what his views were pre season?
I keep ambivalent about the percieved cost of our players because it's just Burnley coming out of the 1900's very late to the party. I know we are small in terms of the League but just for once the Club has gambled and similar to dozens before us, found the jump was bigger than expected. Our youngsters haven't stepped up as it was thought they could.
There were loads of people questioning the signings, balance and inexperience last summer. The number of wingers for example was a running joke on here.JohnMac wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 12:46 pmThe article reflects what anyone can say 'after the event', there were very few questioning our signings at the time.
Hindsight is wonderful, especially for a journalist who has a platform. I wonder what his views were pre season?
I keep ambivalent about the percieved cost of our players because it's just Burnley coming out of the 1900's very late to the party. I know we are small in terms of the League but just for once the Club has gambled and similar to dozens before us, found the jump was bigger than expected. Our youngsters haven't stepped up as it was thought they could.