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Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:35 pm
by burnley007
I'd forgotten about this lad.
Will he stay or be sold?
Could see him playing some games if we do sell Beyer.
Highly thought of at Championship level.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:39 pm
by RVclaret
Spoke to a few Stoke fans who haven’t rated him at all. Not sure what’s led to your view of being highly thought of? Did well at Coventry but I’d imagine we'll try and get money back here.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:39 pm
by Goliath
Another loan possibly?
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:43 pm
by jrgbfc
We definitely need to move on 2 or 3 of our centre backs. O Shea, Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Al Dakhil, Delcroix and McNally. Have i forgotten anyone?
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:45 pm
by Holtyclaret
Even if Beyer (which I wouldn’t expect) left he’d still be about 5/6/7th choice, there’s a lot of players similar that should be moved on in the summer.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:47 pm
by Carlos the Great
jrgbfc wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 3:43 pm
We definitely need to move on 2 or 3 of our centre backs. O Shea, Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Al Dakhil, Delcroix and McNally. Have i forgotten anyone?
You’ve mistakenly put O Shea on the move on list when he has turned into a star performer .: he has been vastly improved who we might be lucky to keep hold of
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:50 pm
by daveisaclaret
There is a small wondering in my mind if the two very earliest signings that summer Twine and McNally were the last flickers of ALK identifying targets before VK took full control in that regard. They don't really look in keeping with what happened after imo.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:54 pm
by warksclaret
I have a Stoke friend too who says he is fine and for the season rated him a 7 out of 10. Suspect he is comparable to Bobby Thomas of Coventry. I think O Shea, Esteve (as he develops), Beyer (if we keep him), and Ekdal are all better than him. We have a number of fringe players like Obefemi, Twine, McNally, Weghorst, Churlinov that we desperately need to cash in on, and not just keep loaning out
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:58 pm
by burnley007
I think this summer should be a real trimming of the bloated squad.
Create a tighter squad.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:59 pm
by forzagranata
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 3:50 pm
There is a small wondering in my mind if the two very earliest signings that summer Twine and McNally were the last flickers of ALK identifying targets before VK took full control in that regard. They don't really look in keeping with what happened after imo.
I’ve thought this for a while.
Neither really fit the Mud Analaytics/VK profile.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:23 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 3:50 pm
There is a small wondering in my mind if the two very earliest signings that summer Twine and McNally were the last flickers of ALK identifying targets before VK took full control in that regard. They don't really look in keeping with what happened after imo.
Those two signings are the only once that you could have imagined dyche signing.
Tbf I think a host of clubs wanted twine going off his season at MK Dons
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:25 pm
by Swizzlestick
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 4:23 pm
Those two signings are the only once that you could have imagined dyche signing.
Tbf I think a host of clubs wanted twine going off his season at MK Dons
Dyche wouldn't have gone near Twine.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:28 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 4:25 pm
Dyche wouldn't have gone near Twine.
From what you know now maybe but best player in league one I think had dyche still been manager going down to championship he would of been all over twine
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:38 pm
by bumba
Can't see how McNally gets anywhere near the starting 11 next season, I'd look to get as much money back as possible.
Sounds like Beyer has said he wants to go so I'd be looking at keeping O'Shea and Esteve as first choice with Al Dakhil and Delcroix(3rd choice left back option), Ekdal nearly left in January so either we wanted rid or he wanted out so try and move him on
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:41 pm
by quoonbeatz
Dyche would absolutely not have had any interest in Twine. Not his kind of player at all.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:42 pm
by ClaretOfMancunia
bumba wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 4:38 pm
Sounds like Beyer has said he wants to go n
Where has he said this?
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:48 pm
by zippybid
He must think that, "Refocus and go again. UTC
" means he wants to leave.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:58 pm
by warksclaret
I think Ekdal is a very intelligent CH. Maybe too slow for the PL but I think Oshea, Esteve and him form the main three centre halves for next year. Of the three he is the most comfortable in possession, and good carrying the ball. If we lose Beyer we need that quality. The pairing of Beyer & Howard Belliss were brilliant in the Championship, and good distributors of the ball, starting many attacks.Be interesting to see what happens with Howard Bellis if Saints don't go up, as I believe the obligation to buy him applies only if they get promoted
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 5:58 pm
by JR1882
We are defo going to be overstocked.
Al-dakhil was a rising star last season but this one was a bridge to far, he comes back into the fold for me.
Ekdal is class in the champ.
Esteve looks like he’s here to stay so he starts
O’Shea plays somewhere again he will be a class above at that level.
Beyer - question marks, big fee which we won’t have anywhere near paid up, so I’d imagine moving him along is on the agenda.
Delacroix - not sure we know where he is best just yet, but as with all the above he is probs ahead of McNally in the pecking order.
McNally - hopefully sell for 4-5m. Not many of these unused squad players are going to fetch a profit but he is one who could.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:13 pm
by warksclaret
JR1882 wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 5:58 pm
We are defo going to be overstocked.
Al-dakhil was a rising star last season but this one was a bridge to far, he comes back into the fold for me.
Ekdal is class in the champ.
Esteve looks like he’s here to stay so he starts
O’Shea plays somewhere again he will be a class above at that level.
Beyer - question marks, big fee which we won’t have anywhere near paid up, so I’d imagine moving him along is on the agenda.
Delacroix - not sure we know where he is best just yet, but as with all the above he is probs ahead of McNally in the pecking order.
McNally - hopefully sell for 4-5m. Not many of these unused squad players are going to fetch a profit but he is one who could.
It would be lovely to get £4-£5m for McNally. However the fees we got for Dunne to QPR, and Thomas to Coventry are more the benchmark. I would guess in the £1m-£2m mark
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:20 pm
by ClaretTony
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 4:28 pm
From what you know now maybe but best player in league one I think had dyche still been manager going down to championship he would of been all over twine
Never in this world would Dyche have signed Twine
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:23 pm
by CoolClaret
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 3:54 pm
I have a Stoke friend too who says he is fine and for the season rated him a 7 out of 10. Suspect he is comparable to Bobby Thomas of Coventry. I think O Shea, Esteve (as he develops), Beyer (if we keep him), and Ekdal are all better than him. We have a number of fringe players like Obefemi, Twine, McNally, Weghorst, Churlinov that we desperately need to cash in on, and not just keep loaning out
Absolutely this - pivotal that these get moved on this Summer so that we can properly reload.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:47 pm
by Quickenthetempo
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 6:13 pm
It would be lovely to get £4-£5m for McNally. However the fees we got for Dunne to QPR, and Thomas to Coventry are more the benchmark. I would guess in the £1m-£2m mark
You think we will sell at a big loss?
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:51 pm
by colne-claret
jrgbfc wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 3:43 pm
We definitely need to move on 2 or 3 of our centre backs. O Shea, Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Al Dakhil, Delcroix and McNally. Have i forgotten anyone?
Rekon O’Shea, Esteve, Al Dakhil & Delcroix remain and we probably sign one new.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:59 pm
by boatshed bill
Ekdal seemed to be very driven and ambitious when he signed.
I don't think another Championship campaign would suit him.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 7:15 pm
by elwaclaret
warksclaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 3:54 pm
I have a Stoke friend too who says he is fine and for the season rated him a 7 out of 10. Suspect he is comparable to Bobby Thomas of Coventry. I think O Shea, Esteve (as he develops), Beyer (if we keep him), and Ekdal are all better than him. We have a number of fringe players like Obefemi, Twine, McNally, Weghorst, Churlinov that we desperately need to cash in on, and not just keep loaning out
I understand your working out… but if we are getting a loan fees and wages paid, I can understand the club only offloading them as their contracts start to run out.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 7:59 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 6:20 pm
Never in this world would Dyche have signed Twine
Why not in both dyche promotions he had 2 up front, one big man and one little man, twine coming off 20 goals in league one, 100% if dyche had of still been manager he would have been in for twine to play alongside Barnes
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 8:10 pm
by ClaretTony
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:59 pm
Why not in both dyche promotions he had 2 up front, one big man and one little man, twine coming off 20 goals in league one, 100% if dyche had of still been manager he would have been in for twine to play alongside Barnes
I’d have been amazed
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 8:12 pm
by NewClaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:10 pm
I’d have been amazed
Me too.
I think Dyche signing Beto and Chermiti at Everton is a good reflection of the type of players he’d have signed given some money to spend.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 8:29 pm
by Quickenthetempo
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:12 pm
Me too.
I think Dyche signing Beto and Chermiti at Everton is a good reflection of the type of players he’d have signed given some money to spend.
Everton have a DoF who signs players.
Dyche has hardly played Danjuma, Beto and Chemeti. Same as any player he didn't want.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 8:34 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:12 pm
Me too.
I think Dyche signing Beto and Chermiti at Everton is a good reflection of the type of players he’d have signed given some money to spend.
There’s no way dyche wanted them two players hahaha
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 8:48 pm
by NewClaret
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:29 pm
Everton have a DoF who signs players.
Dyche has hardly played Danjuma, Beto and Chemeti. Same as any player he didn't want.
Heard a few interviews with Dyche on him & he makes it sound a lot like they work very closely together. I think he’s given Beto decent chances.
I definitely think he’s more of a Dyche signing than Twine anyway.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:02 pm
by Quickenthetempo
NewClaret wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:48 pm
Heard a few interviews with Dyche on him & he makes it sound a lot like they work very closely together. I think he’s given Beto decent chances.
I definitely think he’s more of a Dyche signing than Twine anyway.
He's had to give Beto a few games with DCL injuries, suspension and form.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:21 pm
by CoolClaret
Dyche has veto on any signings that the DoF puts forward - a setup that is becoming pretty standard.
Beto/Chermiti were both signed/identified as players that Dyche could use as forwards.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:30 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Had dyche been in charge of Everton summer 2022 do we think he would have signed McNeil for Everton? He’s been one of Everton’s best performers since dyche came in
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:35 pm
by Chester Perry
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:30 pm
Had dyche been in charge of Everton summer 2022 do we think he would have signed McNeil for Everton? He’s been one of Everton’s best performers since dyche came in
He would have signed Tarkowski and Mee first
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:39 pm
by ClaretTony
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:30 pm
Had dyche been in charge of Everton summer 2022 do we think he would have signed McNeil for Everton? He’s been one of Everton’s best performers since dyche came in
Yes he would or he would have definitely tried to
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:49 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Chester Perry wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:35 pm
He would have signed Tarkowski and Mee first
Oh yeah no brainer they would of been first two signings
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:50 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:39 pm
Yes he would or he would have definitely tried to
I think he would of tried to get barnes to
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 11:56 pm
by SirBob
Crazy that Dyche went on to sign Ashley Young for Everton after being heavily linked with us for 2 seasons, just shows how a managers mind works when he wants a player.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 12:16 am
by Vegas Claret
I think if we can get our money back on him he will be sold, he impressed at Bournemouth in the cup game but I just don't see him getting any game time in front of the other lads we have.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 8:46 am
by Dark Cloud
I think we'll get serious suitors for O'Shea from lower half PL clubs and we might not be able to turn the money on offer down. If he does stay he'll be excellent in the Championship and I'd suggest barring injuries or suspension would be an ever present in the backbone of the team. Like most, I really wasn't rating him too highly earlier this season, but he's come on massively.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 8:50 am
by NewClaret
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 8:46 am
I think we'll get serious suitors for O'Shea from lower half PL clubs and we might not be able to turn the money on offer down. If he does stay he'll be excellent in the Championship and I'd suggest barring injuries or suspension would be an ever present in the backbone of the team. Like most, I really wasn't rating him too highly earlier this season, but he's come on massively.
I agree on all counts.
Really hope we don’t sell him!
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 9:12 am
by Quickenthetempo
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:16 am
I think if we can get our money back on him he will be sold, he impressed at Bournemouth in the cup game but I just don't see him getting any game time in front of the other lads we have.
If we don't make enough to cover transfer fee plus agent costs and wages, then the business model is not working.
You lose out on older players, you need to make profit on the younger ones.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 9:26 am
by NickBFC
If Oxford go up I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up back there.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 11:07 am
by ecc
I sincerely hope O'Shea stays. The lad is still far from the finished article but he showed he had the balls to fight back in the face of a constant storm. He's got some of the Ben Mee fight in him and he could return to the PL a much better player after a successful next season. No doubt about his commitment.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 11:12 am
by warksclaret
ecc wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:07 am
I sincerely hope O'Shea stays. The lad is still far from the finished article but he showed he had the balls to fight back in the face of a constant storm. He's got some of the Ben Mee fight in him and he could return to the PL a much better player after a successful next season. No doubt about his commitment.
Imagine what he would be like had he played alongside Tarks for a season-just look at Braithwait's development.Also like the fact O Shea is quite a toughie yet never seems to be injured.I would make either Berge (hopefully he stays) or O Shea as captain next season
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 12:13 pm
by ecc
warksclaret wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 11:12 am
Imagine what he would be like had he played alongside Tarks for a season-just look at Braithwait's development.Also like the fact O Shea is quite a toughie yet never seems to be injured.I would make either Berge (hopefully he stays) or O Shea as captain next season
Indeed. Of course, Dara's not a kid. He's 25. But the lad had so many different CB partners in the first half of the season it was very difficult for him to step up. True about his lack of injuries. Have to hope that will continue.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 12:16 pm
by Goliath
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:50 pm
I think he would of tried to get barnes to
I doubt that. He could have done in summer when he basically only had DCl signed on and wisely chose not to.
I think he was well aware that he was already way past his peak.
Re: Luke McNally
Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 2:16 pm
by 123EasyasBFC
Goliath wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:16 pm
I doubt that. He could have done in summer when he basically only had DCl signed on and wisely chose not to.
I think he was well aware that he was already way past his peak.
We are talking summer 2022 not 2023
" means he wants to leave.