Page 1 of 1
Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:12 pm
by mdd2
do we have the 7 or 8 who need to be named in the squad of 20 for each match if this is the rule?
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:15 pm
by ClaretTony
Trafford
O'Shea
Egan-Riley
Brownhill
Rodriguez
Roberts
Redmond
Ramsey
Cullen
Obafemi
Dodgson
Twine
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:17 pm
by Selby Claret
Last season's only homegrown were the following:
Brownhill, Joshua
Cork, Jack Frank Porteous
Cullen, Joshua Jon
Muric, Arijanet Anan
O'Shea, Dara
Obafemi, Michael
Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome
Roberts, Connor
Rodriguez, Jay Enrique
Taylor, Charles James
Given that three have gone (so far)...
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:18 pm
by RVclaret
Think it’s 7 in the matchday squad.
Out of those CT listed above you could make a case we could only see 5 of them.
Cullen, Redmond, O’Shea, Brownhill, Rodriguez.
Wonder if this is a factor for keeping the likes of Twine and Roberts.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:30 pm
by mdd2
I can count Trafford O'Shea Brownhill Rodders,Roberts RedmondCullen Twine and Obafemi as 8 from 9 the other 3 are under 21 1/1/24 and so do not need to be named in the squad of 25 which means we are running close to the wind should one or more of those 9 leave and we do need to cut the size of our present 37 players albeit 5 aye under 21 as of 1/1/24. We would need to waste a slot by naming one of the three under 21. Given rumours of Trafford, O Shea Brownhill Roberts and Twine having interest from other clubs without signing home grown players we may struggle to be legal when the 25 have to be named
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:32 pm
by Tricky Trevor
Owen Dodgson might make the bench this season?
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:35 pm
by ClaretTony
mdd2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:30 pm
I can count Trafford O'Shea Brownhill Rodders,Roberts RedmondCullen Twine and Obafemi as 8 from 9 the other 3 are under 21 1/1/24 and so do not need to be named in the squad of 25 which means we are running close to the wind should one or more of those 9 leave and we do need to cut the size of our present 37 players albeit 5 aye under 21 as of 1/1/24. We would need to waste a slot by naming one of the three under 21. Given rumours of Trafford, O Shea Brownhill Roberts and Twine having interest from other clubs without signing home grown players we may struggle to be legal when the 25 have to be named
We won't be running close to the wind
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:46 pm
by mdd2
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:35 pm
We won't be running close to the wind
Does that mean no loaning of selling own owngroners or signing ownowngroners?
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:52 pm
by ClaretTony
mdd2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:46 pm
Does that mean no loaning of selling own owngroners or signing ownowngroners?
It means we will ensure the squad includes enough home grown players when the window closes at the beginning of September.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:58 pm
by mdd2
I await your postings on the ins and outs when they occur CT
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:12 pm
by ClaretTony
mdd2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:58 pm
I await your postings on the ins and outs when they occur CT
It's a simple case that a club at our level will be fully aware of the rules and will ensure we are within them. Who is and isn't here now isn't relevant, it comes into play when the window closes and the squads have to be named.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:24 pm
by FeedTheArf
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:52 pm
It means we will ensure the squad includes enough home grown players when the window closes at the beginning of September.
It just shows the difference in the club in the last 2 years that this is even a consideration now.
I was all for us exploring the foreign markets but didn't envisage it would be to this extent.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:28 pm
by ClaretTony
FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:24 pm
It just shows the difference in the club in the last 2 years that this is even a consideration now.
I was all for us exploring the foreign markets but didn't envisage it would be to this extent.
Me neither - Pace did an interview before he took over and said he wanted to build a young, mainly British squad. Not sure what happened, but that's not the path we've gone down.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:40 pm
by BleedingClaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:28 pm
Me neither - Pace did an interview before he took over and said he wanted to build a young, mainly British squad. Not sure what happened, but that's not the path we've gone down.
VK BS
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:40 pm
by Turfmoorclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:15 pm
Trafford
O'Shea
Egan-Riley
Brownhill
Rodriguez
Roberts
Redmond
Ramsey
Cullen
Obafemi
Dodgson
Twine
Tony do you know how many keepers they normally include in the match day squad? If it’s 3 I think we could add Charlie Casper to the list as I think he will end up being third choice come the end of the transfer window.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:32 pm
by ClaretTony
Turfmoorclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:40 pm
Tony do you know how many keepers they normally include in the match day squad? If it’s 3 I think we could add Charlie Casper to the list as I think he will end up being third choice come the end of the transfer window.
Rarely have more than two in the squad for a match
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:33 pm
by ClaretTony
I think there is no doubt that VK influenced a complete change in ideas
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:31 am
by IanMcL
...And that legacy remains in abundance!
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:27 pm
by mdd2
Thus far we have had 5 leave the club and five arrived plus signed two on loan player in Tresor and Esteve. We remain with a squad over 21 yrs of age of 33 which means to get down to 25 and strengthen the squad 9 need to go out on loan or be sold. We would then have room for one signing. Wout will be a certainty to leave but then it is likely to be any 8 from 24 given JBG, Tresor Esteve and the four recent signings and Jay who I think signed until 2025 wont be leaving.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:32 pm
by ClaretTony
mdd2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:27 pm
Thus far we have had 5 leave the club and five arrived plus signed two on loan player in Tresor and Esteve. We remain with a squad over 21 yrs of age of 33 which means to get down to 25 and strengthen the squad 9 need to go out on loan or be sold. We would then have room for one signing. Wout will be a certainty to leave but then it is likely to be any 8 from 24 given JBG, Tresor Esteve and the four recent signings and Jay who I think signed until 2025 wont be leaving.
They don’t have to leave, they can just be excluded from the squad. There are over six weeks to go yet, not even worth looking at until the window is closed.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:05 pm
by mdd2
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:32 pm
They don’t have to leave, they can just be excluded from the squad. There are over six weeks to go yet, not even worth looking at until the window is closed.
I realise that CT but would that not really lead to an unhappy disgruntled group of players?
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:07 pm
by ClaretTony
mdd2 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:05 pm
I realise that CT but would that not really lead to an unhappy disgruntled group of players?
Which I believe is what we had last season
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:08 pm
by Goliath
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 3:28 pm
Me neither - Pace did an interview before he took over and said he wanted to build a young, mainly British squad. Not sure what happened, but that's not the path we've gone down.
Probably a bit naive and hadn't realised the costs involved in comparison to young players from abroad
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:09 pm
by ClaretTony
Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:08 pm
Probably a bit naive and hadn't realised the costs involved in comparison to young players from abroad
Or he hadn’t met Vincent Kompany
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:24 pm
by daveisaclaret
It's not like we we were signing young British players under Pace in the windows before VK either. More likely he was just lying.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:34 pm
by ClaretTony
daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:24 pm
It's not like we we were signing young British players under Pace in the windows before VK either. More likely he was just lying.
Three windows before Kompany
Jan 2021
No signings
Summer 2021
Nathan Collins
Wayne Entwistle
Connor Roberts
Maxwel Cornet
Jan 2022
Wout Weghorst
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:40 pm
by daveisaclaret
Aaron Lennon came back in summer 2021 I think. But literally just one young British signing in those windows. Then two in summer 2022 and two in summer 2023. Amidst a total of roughly one million signings.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:56 pm
by Goliath
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:09 pm
Or he hadn’t met Vincent Kompany
I'd guess a bit of both. If he really was intending to go for young English players when we'd been relegated then we'd have had a very expensive or a very small squad.
Twine for example probably cost more than Benson and Zaroury combined, Harwood Bellis would have cost a fortune and let's not get started on Trafford.
Kompanys plan was probably more realistic and it should have worked well if he hadn't just lost his mind last summer. We could have stayed up quite easily.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:11 pm
by ClaretTony
Goliath wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:56 pm
I'd guess a bit of both. If he really was intending to go for young English players when we'd been relegated then we'd have had a very expensive or a very small squad.
Twine for example probably cost more than Benson and Zaroury combined, Harwood Bellis would have cost a fortune and let's not get started on Trafford.
Kompanys plan was probably more realistic and it should have worked well if he hadn't just lost his mind last summer. We could have stayed up quite easily.
He was intending building with young English players when we were in the Premier League. He said it before the takeover.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:30 pm
by NL Claret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:34 pm
Three windows before Kompany
Jan 2021
No signings
Summer 2021
Nathan Collins
Wayne Entwistle
Connor Roberts
Maxwel Cornet
Jan 2022
Wout Weghorst
Wayne Entwistle, now there’s a blast from the past. Watched him at Bury in the Dobson, scored a lot of goals but was generally hopeless.
Had to do search to work out it was Wayne Hennessey
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:41 pm
by Goliath
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:11 pm
He was intending building with young English players when we were in the Premier League. He said it before the takeover.
We are suddenly believing what he says?
He signed Weghorst, Cornet and tried everything to get Orsic as well in his first season. It didn't suggest he was looking for primarily young English players
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:49 pm
by ClaretTony
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:30 pm
Wayne Entwistle, now there’s a blast from the past. Watched him at Bury in the Dobson, scored a lot of goals but was generally hopeless.
Had to do search to work out it was Wayne Hennessey
How on earth have I come up with Entwistle when I meant Hennessey. I can’t even blame that one on predictive texting.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 3:19 pm
by Wokingclaret
NL Claret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:30 pm
Wayne Entwistle, now there’s a blast from the past. Watched him at Bury in the Dobson, scored a lot of goals but was generally hopeless.
Good times NL Claret, whilst we had to put up with Benson
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:47 pm
by ClaretTony
Thankfully just a short term loan for us was Entwistle at the start of the Orient season. Mind you, what followed was worse.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:53 am
by mdd2
unless you went on with friends you often needed a megaphone to chat to a fellow spectator that season.According to CT's brilliant records of our stats since 1947 over the 22 games before the Orient game we averaged crowds of 2803. `Thanks to the 15000+ game 23 average 3364. Dont think I felt so low as a BFC supporter as I was when I left Gresty Road earlier that week.
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:09 am
by mdd2
At least we averaged almost 1.5pts per home game slightly better than the miserable 0.5pts/game at home last season
Re: Home Grown Players
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:11 am
by ClaretTony
mdd2 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:53 am
Dont think I felt so low as a BFC supporter as I was when I left Gresty Road earlier that week.
Dreadful journey home on the coach that night which led to almost five horrendous days as a Burnley fan. I don’t ever want to go through anything like that again and hope no Burnley fan ever has to.