• Pep for England? Discuss!

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:12 am**

Article suggests that FA want and have made offer to Pep Guardiola to be England's new manager.

What are everyone's thoughts?

Me - not sure he can do for England, what he does, with hands on, for a Club side.

2 weeks at a time is not enough.

His style bores me to death, anyway!

https://www.football365.com/news/englan ... ant-refuse

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:16 am**

He's got the achievements to and the trophies that a prospective England manager should have.

Yes, it will be tricky to instil his intricate tactics into a side when he only has limited time with them but that shouldn't be seen as insurmountable. Most England players now play similar systems at club level and his Man City cohort certainly won't be starting from scratch.

It's definitely the level England should be aiming for. Not losers like Lee Carsley or Gareth Southgate.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:55 am**

It would worry me that he has no international managerial experience at any level. Carsley looks the best candidate to me and a natural successor to Southgate but if the FA want to take a risk and go a bit more leftfield then Pep would be a good choice.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:57 am**

England manager should be English.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:59 am**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:57 am
England manager should be English.

I agree

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:04 am**

Would be a great appointment.

I am not bothered about nationality, as long as they know how to win things and can deliver, that's the main priority. It would also weaken Man City, so that is another positive.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:15 am**

Ideally the England manager would be English. But nobody stands out for me. I'd sooner be picky/selective like that once we've actually won something.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:20 am**

They’ve ruled out an English manager with what they want.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:26 am**

I think it would be a fantastic appointment for the English team if it happens. I would be very surprised if he took the job but stranger things have happened.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:27 pm**

The only International winners for England in recent years are the Lionesses with a non English Manager.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:30 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:59 am
I agree

English and male, just so people know i am old and miserable and also stuck in the dark ages

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:32 pm**

If the FA have made a well publicised approach to Pep Guardiola, which is under serious consideration by both parties, you wouldn’t be able to walk into your local bookies and be offered 28/1 against such an eventuality. The FA obviously want to be seen by England fans as exploring all avenues before appointing Lee Carsley.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:33 pm**

Well, we need someone who can win things.

Coming close is wearing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:37 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:57 am
England manager should be English.

Massive preference for an Englishman but we've been overlooking managerial talent for so long there's only a small pool of good English managers.

Far better we appoint a good foreign manager than an incompetent English one.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:48 pm**

The international referees don’t seem to fall for the cheating and diving methods he employs to get results so it’s a no from me.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:48 pm**

Absolutely no chance of this happening, why would he walk away from City to manage England?

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:56 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:48 pm
Absolutely no chance of this happening, why would he walk away from City to manage England?

New and different challenge.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:05 pm**

By all accounts he is off at the end of this season and this looks like a suitable solution for both party’s. Few doubts….

- his wages are astronomical compared to what a national team would pay.
- unsure if his style could be implemented as well as at city with less time with his players.
- starting next summer only gives him 12 months before the World Cup, that’s not a lot of time at all, 3 international breaks maybe??

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:28 pm**

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:30 pm
English and male, just so people know i am old and miserable and also stuck in the dark ages

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:46 pm**

Don’t know why people impose their own restrictions on nationality - if the rules say you can appoint whoever then why limit your search to a very small pool?

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:01 pm**

David Moyes, an out of work Scot, could win for England.
Not sure there is a good enough, former international player out there, who could see it home.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:13 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:57 am
England manager should be English.

Why?

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:17 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:13 pm
Why?

Clearly it's down to patriotism. National Identity.

And it's understandable. I just don't think we can be picky when we've won naff all since 1966.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:17 pm**

Won’t happen

He wouldn’t get them for long enough to implement his style etc

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:22 pm**

Won't happen, rich Arabs can't buy success for international teams.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:24 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:48 pm
Absolutely no chance of this happening, why would he walk away from City to manage England?

To let Vincent Kompany have a crack at it

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:26 pm**

If there was an English manager with the same credentials as Pep then I'd prefer the English guy. But there isn't. Pep would be a real coup.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:30 pm**

claretskeith wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:17 pm
Clearly it's down to patriotism. National Identity.

And it's understandable. I just don't think we can be picky when we've won naff all since 1966.

It's a weird stance. Surely a patriotic Englishman would want to see us lift a trophy over who is sat in the dugout.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:16 pm**

English managers win nowt

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:19 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:30 pm
It's a weird stance. Surely a patriotic Englishman would want to see us lift a trophy over who is sat in the dugout.

Like I say we can't be picky. I'd take a coach from Mars if we won something.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:20 pm**

The only way I see Pep considering England is if he knows City are set for some serious sanctions soon.
I can't see that happening though, I don't know what's more unlikely Pep managing England or City getting sanctioned.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:46 pm**

Papabendi wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:16 pm
English managers win nowt

This kind of thinking permeates through football.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:54 pm**

Personally, and I know I'll get slaughtered for this, but I think his brand of Football has made the game in this country ****. I know the the purists will say how tactically beautiful it is, but I'd rather be entertained.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:00 pm**

CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:54 pm
Personally, and I know I'll get slaughtered for this, but I think his brand of Football has made the game in this country ****. I know the the purists will say how tactically beautiful it is, but I'd rather be entertained.

It's only as good as the financial backers. I'd love to see him carry the brand to say a darlington or another club without a pot to p1ss in & see if he could pull it off with no resources at his disposal.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:01 pm**

Anyone who puts a square peg in a square hole will be refreshing.

Anyone who doesn’t try to reinvent the game mid tournament will get me watching.

Anyone who doesn’t leave out a player, then complains about said player not being replaced will be good.

Anyone who grows a pair and drops his captain who just happens to have become the weakest link in the side will get some respect.

Anyone who doesn’t talk like he’s had Garth Crooks writing his pre and post match interviews will get me listening.

Anyone who isn’t Gareth Southgate will get this squad to win something.

Pep, if you think he’s the man, give him the job, or Peps wife if you like.

I honestly and truly believe that absolutely ANYONE could get a tune out of this lot, simply by sending them out to play in the right position (where they excel for their clubs) with the game plan of ‘go and enjoy it lads’.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:04 pm**

CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:54 pm
Personally, and I know I'll get slaughtered for this, but I think his brand of Football has made the game in this country ****. I know the the purists will say how tactically beautiful it is, but I'd rather be entertained.

I don't disagree, if City are on TV i generally switch off. Liverpool at their peak under Klopp were miles better to watch.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 pm**

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:04 pm
I don't disagree, if City are on TV i generally switch off.

This is what I don't get. For me, the best way of playing football is passing your opponent to death and then sticking the ball in the back of the net. It's often a game of chess. The opposition will try and prevent you from passing your way through and scoring.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:09 pm**

bobinho wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:01 pm
Anyone who puts a square peg in a square hole will be refreshing.

Anyone who doesn’t try to reinvent the game mid tournament will get me watching.

Anyone who doesn’t leave out a player, then complains about said player not being replaced will be good.

Anyone who grows a pair and drops his captain who just happens to have become the weakest link in the side will get some respect.

Anyone who doesn’t talk like he’s had Garth Crooks writing his pre and post match interviews will get me listening.

Anyone who isn’t Gareth Southgate will get this squad to win something.

Pep, if you think he’s the man, give him the job, or Peps wife if you like.

I honestly and truly believe that absolutely ANYONE could get a tune out of this lot, simply by sending them out to play in the right position (where they excel for their clubs) with the game plan of ‘go and enjoy it lads’.

That'll soon be put to the test because so far historically since 66 nobody can hold a candle to what he's achieved in terms of getting to finals despite no cigar at the finish up.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:13 pm**

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:04 pm
I don't disagree, if City are on TV i generally switch off. Liverpool at their peak under Klopp were miles better to watch.

100% agree, Klopps Liverpool in full flow were a miles better watch partly because you knew it could go wrong and them get beat from time to time.
City just kill the game and you know the outcome it's a draining watch at times.
Our promotion season had a few games where I was bored midway threw the second half because it was that easy

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:38 pm**

claretskeith wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 pm
This is what I don't get. For me, the best way of playing football is passing your opponent to death and then sticking the ball in the back of the net. It's often a game of chess. The opposition will try and prevent you from passing your way through and scoring.

You should get a subscription to the chess channel then.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:51 pm**

CardyTheClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:38 pm
You should get a subscription to the chess channel then.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:00 pm**

Yes, we would win the world cup with Pep in charge.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:04 pm**

Longsider wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:00 pm
Yes, we would win the world cup with Pep in charge.

Does he have 12 months left on his City contract? I wonder if the FA would accept that and we get a stand-in for 12 months.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:13 pm**

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:09 pm
That'll soon be put to the test because so far historically since 66 nobody can hold a candle to what he's achieved in terms of getting to finals despite no cigar at the finish up.

Yep, and what’s happened every time he’s come up against a decent side?

No doubt about it there have been improvements, attitudes and professionalism being two, but to have this lot at your disposal and not win anything is nothing more than abject failure.

I’d love nothing more than to be able to say GS is the greatest England manager ever… I can’t do that and neither can anyone else.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:17 pm**

Longsider wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:00 pm
Yes, we would win the world cup with Pep in charge.

Would he really?

He’s won 3 CL titles in 16 attempts with arguably the favourites or at least England level of favourite in all those years. Isn’t that impressive really.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:23 pm**

Dyched wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:17 pm
Would he really?

He’s won 3 CL titles in 16 attempts with arguably the favourites or at least England level of favourite in all those years. Isn’t that impressive really.

If you're in any way suggesting he's not the best club manager ever, then you need to watch more football.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:30 pm**

bobinho wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:13 pm
Yep, and what’s happened every time he’s come up against a decent side?

No doubt about it there have been improvements, attitudes and professionalism being two, but to have this lot at your disposal and not win anything is nothing more than abject failure.

I’d love nothing more than to be able to say GS is the greatest England manager ever… I can’t do that and neither can anyone else.

They have all come up against decent sides & fallen short so nothing unusual there. GS isn't the best manager we've ever had but he's far from being the worse the record (despite not winning anything) speaks for itself. I think some people (not necessarily implying you) are deluded into thinking we are some sort of world beating bonanza. I honestly believe if it wasn't for Southgate we wouldn't have got as far as we did but in time we'll find that out for ourselves when the next chaps takes over & we'll see how far we go with somebody else. You can't deny in comparison with other england managers GS is poor he walks all over them apart from AR.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:49 pm**

claretskeith wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:23 pm
If you're in any way suggesting he's not the best club manager ever, then you need to watch more football.

We’re talking knockout football, not league. Big, big difference. That record to me is poor, given the teams he’s had.

Posted: **Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:53 pm**

Dyched wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:49 pm
We’re talking knockout football, not league. Big, big difference. That record to me is poor, given the teams he’s had.

We play qualifying and group games before any knockout football.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:13 am**

claretskeith wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 pm
This is what I don't get. For me, the best way of playing football is passing your opponent to death and then sticking the ball in the back of the net. It's often a game of chess. The opposition will try and prevent you from passing your way through and scoring.

Yawnathon!

Some may not be aware that the world wanted to watch English football because it was fast and furious as well as totally combative.

Elsewhere, probably owing to heat, the game is slow and ponderous and that is why passing and keeping the ball works. So boring.

Put it in the box, scramble, tackle, block, shoot l, head, score or clear off the line. All at 100 mph. Football UK

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