• Kai Rooney

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:19 pm**

14 year old son of Wayne, currently at Man Utd. He’s being tipped to be very special. Playing for the U16s at 14 years old.

Early doors yet but he looks very good from some videos i have watched.

He scored 56 goals for the u13s last season, at any level of football that’s a great achievement.

Wayne is the greatest English player ever so I wouldn’t put it past Kai to be as good but wow if he’s better England will get some player !

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:20 pm**

Thought we’d signed him for a minute!

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:20 pm**

He's probably not far short of being a better manager
than his dad already...

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:22 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:19 pm
Wayne is the greatest English player ever

That’s a hell of a claim

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:25 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:22 pm
That’s a hell of a claim

In his prime he would walk into any team in the world, club or country.

Won everything there is playing for the biggest club in the world, was Englands top scorer and is Man Utd’s too.

Euro 2004 Wayne Rooney was scary just how good he was at a young age.

Who’s better ??

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:28 pm**

My team played against his team a few years ago at a tournament in Accy - probably u9 or u10

Could see he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch that day even before we knew who he was, then his mum turned up to watch them we realised who he was

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:29 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:25 pm
In his prime he would walk into any team in the world, club or country.

Won everything there is playing for the biggest club in the world, was Englands top scorer and is Man Utd’s too.

Euro 2004 Wayne Rooney was scary just how good he was at a young age.

Who’s better ??

I’m not disputing that he was an outstanding player but I know Jimmy Mac would cringe at the thought of him being the best. He’d have told you that it was Tom Finney.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:34 pm**

I feel for these sons of famous footballers. So much pressure put on them by people

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:42 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:19 pm
Wayne is the greatest English player ever

now thats bold

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:46 pm**

His peak was too short- lived to be considered the best English player.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:08 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:22 pm
That’s a hell of a claim

A great player would be great in any era but I'd probably agree with him, nobody came close for a 3-4 year period

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:12 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:25 pm
In his prime he would walk into any team in the world, club or country.

Won everything there is playing for the biggest club in the world, was Englands top scorer and is Man Utd’s too.

Euro 2004 Wayne Rooney was scary just how good he was at a young age.

Who’s better ??

Your premis excludes many great players from being held in such high esteem. All goalkeepers for a start, defenders too, midfielders and even wingers are straightaway eliminated. It's an age old argument that cannot possibly be proven in favour of anyone. Everyone has their opinion, of course, but such a sweeping statement only tends to harbour disagreement rather than confirm for definite. There have no doubt been some exceptionally talented footballers down the years; the same game but uniquely different conditions each time any game was played.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:18 pm**

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:28 pm
My team played against his team a few years ago at a tournament in Accy - probably u9 or u10

Could see he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch that day even before we knew who he was, then his mum turned up to watch them we realised who he was

He's certainly got a bigger head and shoulders than everyone else now, he's sporting an absolutely colossal napper.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:18 pm**

I heard when he was at Man Unt he was tempted to join Man City on a 230 grans-a-week deal.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:18 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:25 pm
In his prime he would walk into any team in the world, club or country.

Won everything there is playing for the biggest club in the world, was Englands top scorer and is Man Utd’s too.

Euro 2004 Wayne Rooney was scary just how good he was at a young age.

Who’s better ??

Bobby Charlton all day long.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:22 pm**

bodge wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:18 pm
He's certainly got a bigger head and shoulders than everyone else now, he's sporting an absolutely colossal napper.

Snipers dream !

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 6:15 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:29 pm
I’m not disputing that he was an outstanding player but I know Jimmy Mac would cringe at the thought of him being the best. He’d have told you that it was Tom Finney.

And so would Bill Shankly.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:01 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:25 pm
In his prime he would walk into any team in the world, club or country.

Won everything there is playing for the biggest club in the world, was Englands top scorer and is Man Utd’s too.

Euro 2004 Wayne Rooney was scary just how good he was at a young age.

Who’s better ??

Brilliant player yes, best in the world ? not sure he'd have got into the Spanish,Portuguese,Argentinian team etc.
I'd say at his prime he'd be in the top 20 English players, jut you cannot really compare him to the greats of the past due to different pitches,footwear,balls,fitness etc.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:20 pm**

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:25 pm
In his prime he would walk into any team in the world, club or country.

Won everything there is playing for the biggest club in the world, was Englands top scorer and is Man Utd’s too.

Euro 2004 Wayne Rooney was scary just how good he was at a young age.

Who’s better ??

Paul Scholes

Sir Bobby Charlton

George Best (not English I grant you, but makes Rooney look like the Scouse thug he is)

Rooney was a special young talent and no mistake… but he isn’t Utds best ever English player let alone the best in the country…

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:20 pm**

His goal output in tournaments doesn't point to being our best ever.

Good player bit he wouldn't start a tournament for me ahead of Lineker, Shearer, Owen or Kane.

Nevermind the earlier team players.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:29 pm**

Billy Wright.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:30 pm**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:01 pm

Brilliant player yes, best in the world ? not sure he'd have got into the Spanish,Portuguese,Argentinian team etc.
I'd say at his prime he'd be in the top 20 English players, jut you cannot really compare him to the greats of the past due to different pitches,footwear,balls,fitness etc.

In his prime top 20

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:48 pm**

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 6:15 pm
And so would Bill Shankly.

Shanks just about idolised Finney

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:34 pm**

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:26 pm**

His Dad is the best English player for me. Absolute top quality all rounder.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:00 pm**

Not quite an 'all rounder', his brains are in his boots

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:03 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:20 pm
His goal output in tournaments doesn't point to being our best ever.

Good player bit he wouldn't start a tournament for me ahead of Lineker, Shearer, Owen or Kane.

Nevermind the earlier team players.

He would be alongside one of them

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:10 pm**

There’s absolutely no comparison between the players of old and today’s players.

I am saying Rooney is Englands best ever player, it’s not even close.

Kyle Walker is a better footballer than George Best ever was.

You can reminisce all you want, but a lad who rocked up half cut, after a few pints the night before, played against amateurs on bogs isn’t anywhere near the modern player.

They produce against full time professionals who’ve been breed to be the best of the best since they were twelve.

The game has changed, all sport has changed for the better.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:12 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:20 pm
His goal output in tournaments doesn't point to being our best ever.

Good player bit he wouldn't start a tournament for me ahead of Lineker, Shearer, Owen or Kane.

Nevermind the earlier team players.

Prime Rooney and a fully fit Owen would walk into any national side in the world including Brazil, Spain, and France.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:30 pm**

I’m having Rooney down as one of the top three English players of all time.

A mercurial talent that could’ve probably played any position.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:40 pm**

Not fit to lace Gazza's boots Imo.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:42 pm**

I think Bellingham has what it takes to be Englands greatest ever, by some margin.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:03 pm**

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:40 pm
Not fit to lace Gazza's boots Imo.

Correct.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:25 pm**

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:28 pm
My team played against his team a few years ago at a tournament in Accy - probably u9 or u10

Could see he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch that day even before we knew who he was, then his mum turned up to watch them we realised who he was

That's unfair. Wayne playing against U8 or 10! Bully!

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:36 pm**

Kyle Walker is a better footballer than George Best ever was.

I don't think I've ever read anything as bizarre as that statement. I have to say that I disagree, having seen both of them play. I know it is an opinion, but I feel that not many football fans would agree with that opinion. In my opinion I believe that Kyle Walker would agree with me and I don't believe that Kyle is an overly modest man.

Posted: **Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:38 pm**

How many great games did Gazza have for England? Genuine q btw as slightly before my time. Was it that many?

You can think Gazza was better but ‘not fit to lace his boots’ about Rooney seems a little ridiculous.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:31 am**

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:36 pm
Kyle Walker is a better footballer than George Best ever was.

I don't think I've ever read anything as bizarre as that statement. I have to say that I disagree, having seen both of them play. I know it is an opinion, but I feel that not many football fans would agree with that opinion. In my opinion I believe that Kyle Walker would agree with me and I don't believe that Kyle is an overly modest man.

You could pick a hundred players across the premier league that are better than Best.

Best and others were the top 1% at the time of their careers. But, they don’t compare and wouldn’t compete in today’s game. It’s changed too much.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 6:55 am**

Football is always about opinions and having watched live games since 1960 George Best was top by a mile.Willie Irvine in a short but glittering career the best after Jimmy Mac I have seen at Burnley.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:34 am**

Best English players
Hurst, Charlton, Jimmy Greaves, Finney,Matthews, Beardsley, Bobby Moore,Michael Owen, Gazza,Lineker,Gerard, Lampard, John Barnes, Kane, Rooney, Scholes, you could make an argument for any of them and these are just a few I can recall.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:34 am**

Rooney in his prime was one hell of a player. In terms of pure football talent, as good as anything I've ever seen.

Not a natural athlete, though. Sir Alex talked about how he would lose his fitness rapidly and take a long time to return to full fitness. His base physique didn't help him and as is quite clear from his appearance today, he was never disciplined and committed in the way his elite contemporaries have been.

Rooney's career arc dipped at least 5 years too soon, when compared to Ronaldo, Messi, Giggs, Ibrahimovic etc

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:39 am**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:34 am
Best English players
Hurst, Charlton, Jimmy Greaves, Finney,Matthews, Beardsley, Bobby Moore,Michael Owen, Gazza,Lineker,Gerard, Lampard, John Barnes, Kane, Rooney, Scholes, you could make an argument for any of them and these are just a few I can recall.

Lampard in this bracket? Not for me

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:47 am**

Crackin player but there's definitely been better, Hoddle and Gazza, always thought Colin Bell was underrated as was Beardsley

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:57 am**

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:10 pm
There’s absolutely no comparison between the players of old and today’s players.

I am saying Rooney is Englands best ever player, it’s not even close.

Kyle Walker is a better footballer than George Best ever was.

You can reminisce all you want, but a lad who rocked up half cut, after a few pints the night before, played against amateurs on bogs isn’t anywhere near the modern player.

They produce against full time professionals who’ve been breed to be the best of the best since they were twelve.
ainst
The game has changed, all sport has changed for the better.

you are ignoring all context - it's relative to who they were up against. If Best were playing now he would be like the modern day player and he would be head and shoulders above Walker. That's one of your most bonkers statements on here

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:05 am**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:34 am
Best English players
Hurst, Charlton, Jimmy Greaves, Finney,Matthews, Beardsley, Bobby Moore,Michael Owen, Gazza,Lineker,Gerard, Lampard, John Barnes, Kane, Rooney, Scholes, you could make an argument for any of them and these are just a few I can recall.

+ Hoddle

You read so many of the continental greats absolutely baffled how we misused Hoddle

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:07 am**

Before my time, but from what I’ve read and been told, Duncan Edwards might have gone on to top the lot, had it not been for the Munich Air Disaster.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:55 am**

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:40 pm
Not fit to lace Gazza's boots Imo.

Looking at him when he played for Burnley, Gazza would have struggled to lace his own boots!

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 1:53 pm**

Best and Walker.

Post of the day.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 3:12 pm**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:34 am
Best English players
Hurst, Charlton, Jimmy Greaves, Finney,Matthews, Beardsley, Bobby Moore,Michael Owen, Gazza,Lineker,Gerard, Lampard, John Barnes, Kane, Rooney, Scholes, you could make an argument for any of them and these are just a few I can recall.

Jimmy Greaves,Tom Finney then I think you can stop there.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:39 pm**

You always read strange comments on the internet but Kyle Walker being better than George Best might take some beating going forward.

Posted: **Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:42 pm**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:39 pm
You always read strange comments on the internet but Kyle Walker being better than George Best might take some beating going forward.

Take away the sentiment and it’s a fair opinion.

Have this argument with my father all the time, he’s also prone to over romanticising the past.

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