Ok, I'm calling it.

This has turned into a fire sale.

The manager looks peed off, the players look peed off, the fans are furious.

No player is off limits.

How many more will go?
Shameful Alan, Shameful.

When the club was sold to Pace and co I was concerned that they might be asset strippers.
It seems I was correct.

RickyBobby wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:28 pm

When the club was sold to Pace and co I was concerned that they might be asset strippers.
It seems I was correct.

Difficult to argue with that

Haven’t we spent big money on someone this week and committed to spending a substantial amount on another?

Take the money and run. Well it looks that way. No one will want to stay at this rate. I’m thinking of jumping ship myself. I can’t take the stress.

Parker, in his press conference, touched on players who don't want to be here being shipped out, so much as I'm sceptical of the owners, I don't really think they're to blame for footballers looking for a bigger bank balance or to play at a higher level.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:36 pm

Parker, in his press conference, touched on players who don't want to be here being shipped out, so much as I'm sceptical of the owners, I don't really think they're to blame for footballers looking for a bigger bank balance or to play at a higher level.

If all of the players sold and yet to be sold didn‘t want to be here then it sounds like we have serious problems, and that Parker is even more disliked by the players than VK.

Whatever the reason, selling off all of your best players is not good.

burnley007 wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:03 pm

Ok, I'm calling it.

This has turned into a fire sale.

The manager looks peed off, the players look peed off, the fans are furious.

No player is off limits.

How many more will go?
Shameful Alan, Shameful.

You're calling it wrong though

Do a quick Google before posting

What is meant by a fire sale?
A fire sale consists of selling goods or assets at heavily discounted prices

Yes, it is.

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:41 pm

You're calling it wrong though

Do a quick Google before posting

What is meant by a fire sale?
A fire sale consists of selling goods or assets at heavily discounted prices

I suppose how pedantic you are really.

RickyBobby wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:41 pm

If all of the players sold and yet to be sold didn‘t want to be here then it sounds like we have serious problems, and that Parker is even more disliked by the players than VK.

Whatever the reason, selling off all of your best players is not good.

It doesn't mean he's disliked at all.

There is no loyalty in football and players will go where their agents tell them they can get paid the most money. It's been like that for a long time.

Why would we want players who don't want to be here anyway? That can't be good for morale in any squad.

A clear out for certain.

B'tard Yanks are asset stripping.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:36 pm

Parker, in his press conference, touched on players who don't want to be here being shipped out, so much as I'm sceptical of the owners, I don't really think they're to blame for footballers looking for a bigger bank balance or to play at a higher level.

Well, we don't know why so many players appear to want to leave.

There are several possible reasons

1. The club is trying to sell them and has told them so.
2. Their agents have been told by Pace that we won't turn down any good offers - and so have gone looking for such offers.
3. The players had relegation clauses in their contracts and are using them.
4. We are just randomly receiving offers.

I've no idea which is the truth but I'd guess a combination of 2 and 3.

No it is not.

Have you ever played football?

These are young men who predominently joined us to put themselves in the shop window and grow. How many of the ones we are upset about were sold for less than they were bought? How many of those went to a club which wasn't in a more prominant league for their development and future interests?

We might not like it but it is understandable and doesn't constitute panic mode. Nor does it mean the club is in chaos.

The stock will no doubt be replenished.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:45 pm

A clear out for certain.

B'tard Yanks are asset stripping.

Why the abuse?

forzagranata wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:50 pm

Well, we don't know why so many players appear to want to leave.

There are several possible reasons

1. The club is trying to sell them and has told them so.
2. Their agents have been told by Pace that we won't turn down any good offers - and so have gone looking for such offers.
3. The players had relegation clauses in their contracts and are using them.
4. We are just randomly receiving offers.

I've no idea which is the truth but I'd guess a combination of 2 and 3.

All conjecture.

It'll be an interesting week though.

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:52 pm

Why the abuse?

Have you seen his back catalogue?

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:52 pm

Why the abuse?

And where's the fire?

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:50 pm

No it is not.

Have you ever played football?

These are young men who predominently joined us to put themselves in the shop window and grow. How many of the ones we are upset about were sold for less than they were bought? How many of those went to a club which wasn't in a more prominant league for their development and future interests?

We might not like it but it is understandable and doesn't constitute panic mode. Nor does it mean the club is in chaos.

The stock will no doubt be replenished.

It's like some supporters have never suffered relegation before, and the consequences of it.

RickyBobby wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:28 pm

When the club was sold to Pace and co I was concerned that they might be asset strippers.
It seems I was correct.

If you’re asset stripping you don’t buy said assets first before you sell them

forzagranata wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:50 pm

Well, we don't know why so many players appear to want to leave.

There are several possible reasons

1. The club is trying to sell them and has told them so.
2. Their agents have been told by Pace that we won't turn down any good offers - and so have gone looking for such offers.
3. The players had relegation clauses in their contracts and are using them.
4. We are just randomly receiving offers.

I've no idea which is the truth but I'd guess a combination of 2 and 3.

Or option 5 players are still that p*ssed off at the way bulb head treated them that they want out and nothing will change that

roperclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:54 pm

If you’re asset stripping you don’t buy said assets first before you sell them

You said you were very ill so I've started a thread, asking how you are. I can only assume you missed it.

So how can Sheffield United and Luton keep most of their key players?

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:55 pm

Or option 5 players are still that p*ssed off at the way bulb head treated them that they want out and nothing will change that

It's possible their Burnley 'experience' as ALK would put it, has been soured by last season and they can't wait to leave yeah.

Although they looked a pretty happy and motivated bunch at Luton and against Cardiff.

It’s not a fire sale, but it is a **** show.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:55 pm

Or option 5 players are still that p*ssed off at the way bulb head treated them that they want out and nothing will change that

6: Scott Parker doesn't want them
7: They don't want to play for Scott Parker
8: They hate Burnley.

Isn't unsubstantiated speculation fun?

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:58 pm

6: Scott Parker doesn't want them
7: They don't want to play for Scott Parker
8: They hate Burnley.

Isn't unsubstantiated speculation fun?

9. Better wages at another club.

forzagranata wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:58 pm

It's possible their Burnley 'experience' as ALK would put it, has been soured by last season and they can't wait to leave yeah.

Although they looked a pretty happy and motivated bunch at Luton and against Cardiff.

That is very true especially at Luton, there did feel like a connection but I suppose players like O’Shea once they are on the pitch they forget anything else and are competitive and just want to win and are passionate when you are doing well. Where as someone like Amdouni you never know whether they look interested or not because they have a relaxed look to them

Club in buying low and selling higher shocker
Something never seen before in football

Go outside and touch some grass

Asset strippers

It's one thing having a ridiculous and premature reaction after a 1-0 loss away to a good team.
It's another reacting to players being sold without replacements before the transfer window closes.
But the nationality of the ownership doesn't have anything to do with how the club is run and it's really wrong to blame it on that.
Remember it's offensive to call Americans Yanks.

Be realistic there are plenty of owners from different countries including the UK that have done far worse.

We all knew this was coming and we're not in a position to make moves first before clubs come in for our players. We'll have our targets and it will just take a little longer to sign them.

Be grateful this didn't happen right at the end of the window like when we a sold Austin.

And even if we bring no one in this is still only 1 game. We got 43 more chances of pipping Sunderland which I'm sure we'll do by the end of the season.

If it isn't nailed down then it looks like the Board will sell it. Either everyone including SP has been lied about finances and the future project or there is a deliberate plan to vandalise the club to strip it of all its assets, The only way to convince the vast majority of the fans otherwise is for the club to bring in better quality players before the deadline to offset those going or have left that formed part of the first team plans. The trust and loyalty between the Board and the fans is now a major critical issue which simply MUST be addressed. Poor SP is being placed in an utterly unacceptable position. The club is now haemorraging players and unless this is put right, we will have gone from being in a great position to one where the only way is down and possibly out. The Board have been completely clueless about football and were besotted by a chancer who just got lucky. How we got into this mess is completely unacceptable.

It's not a fire sale.

The obvious point is that we suddenly started signed promising players from Clubs in France and Belgium, who were sold the " project " by Vincent Kompany ... he is no longer here, and their agents are now looking for " better deals for them / Another hefty commission " ( depending on your viewpoint ) and they wish to leave ..

I don't give a toss about the League Cup game against Wolves Reserves, but I want us fully up for Saturday .. Mr Pace knows he will face a very tricky situation if we are embarrassed a week today !

I think it’s feeding off itself now. The more players leave, the more are going to think the club’s going nowhere and will want out. We were always going to have to sell 2 or 3, but at some point you have to dig in and say “no more”. At the moment there doesn’t appear to be any long-term strategy - ALK are just winging it one season at a time.

scouseclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:25 pm

I think it’s feeding off itself now. The more players leave, the more are going to think the club’s going nowhere and will want out.

100%

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:41 pm

You're calling it wrong though

Do a quick Google before posting

What is meant by a fire sale?
A fire sale consists of selling goods or assets at heavily discounted prices

Not a fire sale but a house sale. Everything of value must go. So be it.

I remember when the majority of this board thought O’Shea was rubbish ….

I also remember that we have just signed 2 CB and currently have Beyer and Ekdal …

He’s not going to turn down a move back to the PL and good luck to him

our model is to buy young potential and sell in at a profit wether we like it or not

We can’t sell it all at once though and to date that’s not yet happened.

We have cover for all positions sold …. Koleosho was injured unfortunately and if Benny goes we will need another body

Still have redmond and tresor to come back in though


I was more concerned about Cullen…. For which I do feel he’s genuinely injured ….

We can’t lose Cullen.

Boards gone off on one today - you would think we’ve never lost before

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If you really think things are so bad .............Skybet tonight are offering 100/1 on our relegation this season.
Just saying ......

No it's just good business

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:53 pm

All conjecture.

It'll be an interesting week though.

It’s not really because that post has covered all possible reasons why people are leaving (getting sold) or wanting to leave. It’s all there as individual reasons or combinations.

Do you know how some fans say they feel disconnected with the players, well it’s clear that the players also feel disconnected with the club. That’s what happens when you treat human beings as commodities.

Row x wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:41 pm

You're calling it wrong though

Do a quick Google before posting

What is meant by a fire sale?
A fire sale consists of selling goods or assets at heavily discounted prices

A "fire sale", colloquially, can also mean a sale of goods or assets when the company is in circumstances so dire that selling essential assets, without which the company will struggle to function, is necessary.

It's often a mistake to think that colloquial English has a rigid definition with no nuances of meaning and no changes over time. However, if you prefer, you could always call it a clearance sale. (Or even, God forbid, a closing down sale.)

The Shire Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:58 pm

I remember when the majority of this board thought O’Shea was rubbish ….

I also remember that we have just signed 2 CB and currently have Beyer and Ekdal …

He’s not going to turn down a move back to the PL and good luck to him

our model is to buy young potential and sell in at a profit wether we like it or not

We can’t sell it all at once though and to date that’s not yet happened.

We have cover for all positions sold …. Koleosho was injured unfortunately and if Benny goes we will need another body

Still have redmond and tresor to come back in though


I was more concerned about Cullen…. For which I do feel he’s genuinely injured ….

We can’t lose Cullen.

Boards gone off on one today - you would think we’ve never lost before

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Didn't we sign O'Shea after we got to the Premier League?
I mean many could have been calling Harwood-Bellis not good enough if we signed him for the PL.

At Championship level O'Shea is a top defender hence why us and other teams wanted him. You can't question fans questioning him in the English top flight (arguably the world's top division) we're not in that league now, so of course they are going to be unhappy if he's sold. We need all the top experienced players in this league to help us get out of it.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:26 pm

It’s not really because that post has covered all possible reasons why people are leaving (getting sold) or wanting to leave. It’s all there as individual reasons or combinations.

And other possible reasons were added by myself and Bill, but they're conjecture too.

Wembley09 wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:56 pm

Didn't we sign O'Shea after we got to the Premier League?
I mean many could have been calling Harwood-Bellis not good enough if we signed him for the PL.

At Championship level O'Shea is a top defender hence why us and other teams wanted him. You can't question fans questioning him in the English top flight (arguably the world's top division) we're not in that league now, so of course they are going to be unhappy if he's sold. We need all the top experienced players in this league to help us get out of it.

I agree and want to make it clear I’d rather we kept him but it’s not panic stations for me yet

Still have so many great CB’s…

We clearly need to keep Cullen and make some additions this week to what’s gone out

Our first team and eventual bench I am sure will be more than capable of beating every team in this league

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dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:50 pm

A "fire sale", colloquially, can also mean a sale of goods or assets when the company is in circumstances so dire that selling essential assets, without which the company will struggle to function, is necessary.

It's often a mistake to think that colloquial English has a rigid definition with no nuances of meaning and no changes over time. However, if you prefer, you could always call it a clearance sale. (Or even, God forbid, a closing down sale.)

Which ever definition you care to use, it always includes selling assets at a loss, or discounted price, whatever the reason for the sale was

We haven't sold anybody who remotely fits that definition, therefore it is NOT a fire sale.

The players attitudes and lack of effort at Sunderland was shameful tbh.
Obviously not happy with all their regular team mates being shipped out...but that's no excuse for that horrendous lack lustre display.

RickyBobby wrote: ↑

Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:28 pm

When the club was sold to Pace and co I was concerned that they might be asset strippers.
It seems I was correct.

I don’t think that is the strategy although a sudden abandon ship exit strategy could mirror that somewhat
I think it’s a copy Glazers at Man U
They run a constant debt
With a massive turnover generated by an almost definite Premier league survival and an established world wide generated revenue
Make a billion
Spend half a billion on players, service the debt, take some payment for your efforts

The model is unsustainable at Burnley FC without Premier League survival and perfect financial operating, they have failed at both.

AP should go to his church today and demand Spiritual and Divine intervention to get us back on track...rapido, cos this Board has lost its way.
It's the B***ds on 31st....I was looking forward to it last Saturday....now I'm dreading it.

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 25, 2024 9:39 am

I don’t think that is the strategy although a sudden abandon ship exit strategy could mirror that somewhat
I think it’s a copy Glazers at Man U
They run a constant debt
With a massive turnover generated by an almost definite Premier league survival and an established world wide generated revenue
Make a billion
Spend half a billion on players, service the debt, take some payment for your efforts

The model is unsustainable at Burnley FC without Premier League survival and perfect financial operating, they have failed at both.

Absolutely spot on. I said it from the start that they're 'Glazer lite', just that we don't have a safety net anywhere near the size that Man United does.