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So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:23 am
by ElectroClaret
Thought we were very lucky on first viewing, however, on seeing a replay, Worral looks like he gets a toe-poke on the ball to nudge it away.
Now, i don't know if a tackle from behind is automatically
a foul, dont know the law surrounding that, but obviously the ref didn't think so.
Thoughts?
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:26 am
by quoonbeatz
No, it was a great tackle.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:56 am
by Darnhill Claret
Think we probably got away with one, but, swings and roundabouts. If you go between the legs from behind, the ref will usually penalise.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:42 am
by Tricky Trevor
I’m just watching the full match on recording and I haven’t got there yet but on live viewing I thought Gnonto was offside when he received the ball on the edge of our area.
I agree with the OP that Worrall got a toe on the ball and whilst there was simultaneous contact on the Leeds striker it was minimal and not worthy of a pen.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:59 am
by Tricky Trevor
Just got there and Gnonto was played onside by Humphries. Lino has a great position.
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Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:03 am
by Tricky Trevor
Clear foot on the ball, no prior contact. Brilliant decision by the ref.
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Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:10 am
by wilks_bfc
Whether it was or it wasn’t, think we can all agree it would have been given last year with VAR
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:30 am
by Buxtonclaret
Was a good tackle in my day.
Now the poor dears probable get counselling.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:34 am
by fatboy47
Just checked in paper.
No pen. Burnley won 1-0.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:37 am
by bfcjg
Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:56 am
Think we probably got away with one, but, swings and roundabouts. If you go between the legs from behind, the ref will usually penalise.
That could be misconstrued
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:42 am
by GetIntoEm
Think we'd have been disappointed if it hadn't been given for us. VAR would have given it
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:47 am
by HB Claret
Think in recent times we have been on the wrong end of some horrendous decisions at Elland Road ( and I agree that it would probably have been given by VAR) so if we got away with one who cares ?
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:56 am
by Hipper
Thought both assistants were very sharp with offsides.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
by agreenwood
I thought he just got enough on the ball from the replay I’ve just seen.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
by beddie
I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
by Poulton-le-Claret
HB Claret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:47 am
Think in recent times we have been on the wrong end of some horrendous decisions at Elland Road ( and I agree that it would probably have been given by VAR) so if we got away with one who cares ?
Yeah that disallowed goal when Meslier flattened Barnes still annoys me
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
by beddie
I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:03 am
by Lord Beamish
beddie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.
You can say that again.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:36 am
by Claretitus
beddie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.
“I SAY OUR ASHLEY” I think any Premier League referee………………………………………………………………………. no me neither.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:41 am
by bobinho
I would’ve been fuming had that not been given for us.
I’m absolutely delighted. Getting beat is one thing, getting beat and having some sickening decision a factor in that, makes my joy at beating RBDL complete.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:47 am
by bfcjg
He got the ball first no penalty,regardless of if it was just a slight touch.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 9:51 am
by claretspice
I thought pen live and I think it is one that would more likely be given in the Premier League and I'd certainly want it to be given for us. It's a tackle from behind. We were fortunate even if the fact Worrall played the ball created some doubt.
The balance point though is that had Flemmimg gone down when played through at 0-0 Rodon could quite easily have been sent off. Again there was doubt because there was a defender who might have covered but given Flemming got a shot away as it was despite giving Rodon a ride, I don't think anyone could have argued with a red card.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:01 am
by AfloatinClaret
A perfect example of a Big-6 Penalty. A Premiership VAR review would have given it for, but never against one of them.
I watched the game surrounded by Leeds fans, all of whom were adamant that it was a penalty, including the chap who was at the bar and missed seeing it. After the match though all but two conceded that had it been at the other end, they would've gone ballistic if a penalty had been awarded to Burnley.
I thought the best summing up was the chap who argued 'it should have been a penalty because we were the home team, but never if we were away'
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:20 am
by equinox
Trafford would have saved it anyway.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:41 am
by Stproc
No, it wasn’t a penalty. It should never be a penalty, but they are given every week in the Premier League.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:48 am
by Marney&Mee
Defo pen for me. You can’t go thru the back like that. Hey ho!
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:49 am
by elwaclaret
Instinct was it wasn’t a pen, absolutely thought it would be given though.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:54 am
by summitclaret
It's like Basher's handball at Deadwood. A bit of karma after decades of cheating/xxxx refs. Absolutely marvellous stuff.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:59 am
by Rileybobs
As far as I’m aware there is nothing in the laws of the game that says a tackle from behind is illegal. So if Worral won the ball, and didn’t endanger the safety of the opponent then it’s a fair tackle. I haven’t seen it back yet but just correcting what I think is a general misunderstanding of the laws.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 10:59 am
by scamander
I think it's always good to aim for some objectivity. Whether it was a great tackle or not he went through the back and for most refs that's a pen. I seem to think that there were a few on the matchthread who thought we were very lucky there. I would imagine had we lost and not been given many on here would be fuming.
We've had some luck in the past couple of games. Rovers should have had a goal and yesterday we were lucky that it wasn't given. Also that their forward missed a one on one.
However, we played well and are showing real promise. I was very happy with the result and early signs are that Parker has the players backing him. We can't take Pompey for granted (or anyone) and Parker will have to change up his tactics as I expect they will come for a point.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:06 am
by dougcollins
It's a really unadvisable type of tackle to make in the penalty area, even if it's clean. I reckon VAR would referred the official for a screen view.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:38 am
by quoonbeatz
A tackle from behind isn’t an automatic foul. It certainly isn’t when you take the ball like Worrall did.
The whole tackle from behind thing was brought in to stop players going through an opponent, which is obviously dangerous. If you take the ball cleanly, it doesn’t really matter where you tackle from.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:42 am
by winsomeyen
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:00 pm
by Ric_C
Did I think it was a pen? - no
Have I seen them given? Especially at places like Leeds away? - 100% yes
Was shitting myself when the ref went over to the lino, thought he was going to give it.
Either way, Worrall needs to be more careful with his challenges in the future.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:29 pm
by Herts Clarets
Poulton-le-Claret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
Yeah that disallowed goal when Meslier flattened Barnes still annoys me
It was Ben Mee he flattened. Barnes stuck the loose ball away. Still one of the worst decisions I have ever seen
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:49 pm
by Goodclaret
I think the ref must have been very, very confident Worrall had played the ball as he wouldn't have hesitated in giving DL a pen if he could. He proved that when he got so excited when he knew he could send off Humphries.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:50 pm
by martin_p
Goodclaret wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:49 pm
I think the ref must have been very, very confident Worrall had played the ball as he wouldn't have hesitated in giving DL a pen if he could. He proved that when he got so excited when he knew he could send off Humphries.
But that was as clear a booking as you’re likely to see. The referee actually tried to play advantage but stopped play when the Leeds player decided he wasn’t interested.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 5:53 pm
by RalphCoatesComb
quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:38 am
A tackle from behind isn’t an automatic foul. It certainly isn’t when you take the ball like Worrall did.
The whole tackle from behind thing was brought in to stop players going through an opponent, which is obviously dangerous. If you take the ball cleanly, it doesn’t really matter where you tackle from.
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:13 pm
by Woodleyclaret
Joe Worrall is a class defender in the Tarks mould and it was a perfect tackle
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:28 pm
by Notsosuperstevedavis
beddie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:58 am
I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.
Not having a bar of that. Ref’s will refuse to admit; they’d run away from that decision 999/1000 times and wait for the VAR to phone him. (IF) he gets on the blower.
Howard webs said as much in a quote recently: ‘refs need to stop relying on VAR’ he knows they wont decide on marginal calls and wait for VAR.
Thank God we dont have it in the Championship
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:28 pm
by Firthy
Unfortunately this is one of the major problems in the present game. Fans have been brainwashed to believe that the slightest contact from a defender in the area is a penalty. That was a perfectly timed tackle and he got the ball before any contact. The fact we're even discussing it shows what diving and VAR have done to modern football.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:33 pm
by Swizzlestick
Dermot Gallagher on Ref Watch basically said this was a brilliant bit of refereeing as the player took the ball therefore no foul awarded, correctly.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:20 pm
by Stalbansclaret
Herts Clarets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:29 pm
It was Ben Mee he flattened. Barnes stuck the loose ball away. Still one of the worst decisions I have ever seen
In the same game Leeds got a penalty, which they scored, when Nick Pope delivered a hard tackle on Patrick Bamford which I thought was a good one , taking the ball first. So I'm very pleased about us getting a marginal decision this time. I also thought Worrall took the ball ,poking his foot through the Leeds player's legs, for what it's worth.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:10 pm
by dsr
Firthy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2024 7:28 pm
Unfortunately this is one of the major problems in the present game. Fans have been brainwashed to believe that the slightest contact from a defender in the area is a penalty. That was a perfectly timed tackle and he got the ball before any contact. The fact we're even discussing it shows what diving and VAR have done to modern football.
Exactly. The way the game is refereed is that when a player falls over, the ref will give a foul unless he is
certain that it wasn't a foul. If he sees a player make three forward rolls and banging the floor in anguish and screaming in pain and crying for his teddy bear, and he suspects the defender might have brushed the forward's shin pad, he will give the foul.
Re: So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:08 pm
by bfcmik
Former Premier League referee Dermot Gallagher says it was the CORRECT decision to not award Leeds United a penalty at Elland Road on Saturday.
“He gets the ball. As he comes round here, he gets the ball, it’s a really, really good decision.” (from TurfCast)
