So, Did We Get Away With The Penalty Decision?

[ElectroClaret]

Thought we were very lucky on first viewing, however, on seeing a replay, Worral looks like he gets a toe-poke on the ball to nudge it away.

Now, i don't know if a tackle from behind is automatically
a foul, dont know the law surrounding that, but obviously the ref didn't think so.

Thoughts?

[quoonbeatz]

No, it was a great tackle.

[Darnhill Claret]

Think we probably got away with one, but, swings and roundabouts. If you go between the legs from behind, the ref will usually penalise.

[Tricky Trevor]

I’m just watching the full match on recording and I haven’t got there yet but on live viewing I thought Gnonto was offside when he received the ball on the edge of our area.
I agree with the OP that Worrall got a toe on the ball and whilst there was simultaneous contact on the Leeds striker it was minimal and not worthy of a pen.

[Tricky Trevor]

Just got there and Gnonto was played onside by Humphries. Lino has a great position.

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[Tricky Trevor]

Clear foot on the ball, no prior contact. Brilliant decision by the ref.

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[wilks_bfc]

Whether it was or it wasn’t, think we can all agree it would have been given last year with VAR

[Buxtonclaret]

Was a good tackle in my day.
Now the poor dears probable get counselling.

[fatboy47]

Just checked in paper.

No pen. Burnley won 1-0.

[bfcjg]

Think we probably got away with one, but, swings and roundabouts. If you go between the legs from behind, the ref will usually penalise.

That could be misconstrued

[GetIntoEm]

Think we'd have been disappointed if it hadn't been given for us. VAR would have given it

[HB Claret]

Think in recent times we have been on the wrong end of some horrendous decisions at Elland Road ( and I agree that it would probably have been given by VAR) so if we got away with one who cares ?

[Hipper]

Thought both assistants were very sharp with offsides.

[agreenwood]

I thought he just got enough on the ball from the replay I’ve just seen.

[beddie]

I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Think in recent times we have been on the wrong end of some horrendous decisions at Elland Road ( and I agree that it would probably have been given by VAR) so if we got away with one who cares ?

Yeah that disallowed goal when Meslier flattened Barnes still annoys me

[beddie]

I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.

[Lord Beamish]

I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.

You can say that again.

[Claretitus]

I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.

“I SAY OUR ASHLEY” I think any Premier League referee………………………………………………………………………. no me neither.

[bobinho]

I would’ve been fuming had that not been given for us.

I’m absolutely delighted. Getting beat is one thing, getting beat and having some sickening decision a factor in that, makes my joy at beating RBDL complete.

[bfcjg]

He got the ball first no penalty,regardless of if it was just a slight touch.

[claretspice]

I thought pen live and I think it is one that would more likely be given in the Premier League and I'd certainly want it to be given for us. It's a tackle from behind. We were fortunate even if the fact Worrall played the ball created some doubt.

The balance point though is that had Flemmimg gone down when played through at 0-0 Rodon could quite easily have been sent off. Again there was doubt because there was a defender who might have covered but given Flemming got a shot away as it was despite giving Rodon a ride, I don't think anyone could have argued with a red card.

[AfloatinClaret]

A perfect example of a Big-6 Penalty. A Premiership VAR review would have given it for, but never against one of them.
I watched the game surrounded by Leeds fans, all of whom were adamant that it was a penalty, including the chap who was at the bar and missed seeing it. After the match though all but two conceded that had it been at the other end, they would've gone ballistic if a penalty had been awarded to Burnley.
I thought the best summing up was the chap who argued 'it should have been a penalty because we were the home team, but never if we were away'

[equinox]

Trafford would have saved it anyway.

[Stproc]

No, it wasn’t a penalty. It should never be a penalty, but they are given every week in the Premier League.

[Marney&Mee]

Defo pen for me. You can’t go thru the back like that. Hey ho!

[elwaclaret]

Instinct was it wasn’t a pen, absolutely thought it would be given though.

[summitclaret]

It's like Basher's handball at Deadwood. A bit of karma after decades of cheating/xxxx refs. Absolutely marvellous stuff.

[Rileybobs]

As far as I’m aware there is nothing in the laws of the game that says a tackle from behind is illegal. So if Worral won the ball, and didn’t endanger the safety of the opponent then it’s a fair tackle. I haven’t seen it back yet but just correcting what I think is a general misunderstanding of the laws.

[scamander]

I think it's always good to aim for some objectivity. Whether it was a great tackle or not he went through the back and for most refs that's a pen. I seem to think that there were a few on the matchthread who thought we were very lucky there. I would imagine had we lost and not been given many on here would be fuming.

We've had some luck in the past couple of games. Rovers should have had a goal and yesterday we were lucky that it wasn't given. Also that their forward missed a one on one.

However, we played well and are showing real promise. I was very happy with the result and early signs are that Parker has the players backing him. We can't take Pompey for granted (or anyone) and Parker will have to change up his tactics as I expect they will come for a point.

[dougcollins]

It's a really unadvisable type of tackle to make in the penalty area, even if it's clean. I reckon VAR would referred the official for a screen view.

[quoonbeatz]

A tackle from behind isn’t an automatic foul. It certainly isn’t when you take the ball like Worrall did.

The whole tackle from behind thing was brought in to stop players going through an opponent, which is obviously dangerous. If you take the ball cleanly, it doesn’t really matter where you tackle from.

[winsomeyen]

. If you go between the legs from behind, the ref will usually penalise.

[Ric_C]

Did I think it was a pen? - no

Have I seen them given? Especially at places like Leeds away? - 100% yes

Was shitting myself when the ref went over to the lino, thought he was going to give it.

Either way, Worrall needs to be more careful with his challenges in the future.

[Herts Clarets]

Yeah that disallowed goal when Meslier flattened Barnes still annoys me

It was Ben Mee he flattened. Barnes stuck the loose ball away. Still one of the worst decisions I have ever seen

[Goodclaret]

I think the ref must have been very, very confident Worrall had played the ball as he wouldn't have hesitated in giving DL a pen if he could. He proved that when he got so excited when he knew he could send off Humphries.

[martin_p]

I think the ref must have been very, very confident Worrall had played the ball as he wouldn't have hesitated in giving DL a pen if he could. He proved that when he got so excited when he knew he could send off Humphries.

But that was as clear a booking as you’re likely to see. The referee actually tried to play advantage but stopped play when the Leeds player decided he wasn’t interested.

[RalphCoatesComb]

A tackle from behind isn’t an automatic foul. It certainly isn’t when you take the ball like Worrall did.

The whole tackle from behind thing was brought in to stop players going through an opponent, which is obviously dangerous. If you take the ball cleanly, it doesn’t really matter where you tackle from.

^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^

[Woodleyclaret]

Joe Worrall is a class defender in the Tarks mould and it was a perfect tackle

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

I think any Premier league referee would have automatically given a pen even without the use of var. Can you imagine the Male Model Rob Jones not giving that, no me neither.

Not having a bar of that. Ref’s will refuse to admit; they’d run away from that decision 999/1000 times and wait for the VAR to phone him. (IF) he gets on the blower.

Howard webs said as much in a quote recently: ‘refs need to stop relying on VAR’ he knows they wont decide on marginal calls and wait for VAR.

Thank God we dont have it in the Championship

[Firthy]

Unfortunately this is one of the major problems in the present game. Fans have been brainwashed to believe that the slightest contact from a defender in the area is a penalty. That was a perfectly timed tackle and he got the ball before any contact. The fact we're even discussing it shows what diving and VAR have done to modern football.

[Swizzlestick]

Dermot Gallagher on Ref Watch basically said this was a brilliant bit of refereeing as the player took the ball therefore no foul awarded, correctly.

[Stalbansclaret]

It was Ben Mee he flattened. Barnes stuck the loose ball away. Still one of the worst decisions I have ever seen

In the same game Leeds got a penalty, which they scored, when Nick Pope delivered a hard tackle on Patrick Bamford which I thought was a good one , taking the ball first. So I'm very pleased about us getting a marginal decision this time. I also thought Worrall took the ball ,poking his foot through the Leeds player's legs, for what it's worth.

[dsr]

Unfortunately this is one of the major problems in the present game. Fans have been brainwashed to believe that the slightest contact from a defender in the area is a penalty. That was a perfectly timed tackle and he got the ball before any contact. The fact we're even discussing it shows what diving and VAR have done to modern football.

Exactly. The way the game is refereed is that when a player falls over, the ref will give a foul unless he is certain that it wasn't a foul. If he sees a player make three forward rolls and banging the floor in anguish and screaming in pain and crying for his teddy bear, and he suspects the defender might have brushed the forward's shin pad, he will give the foul.

[bfcmik]

Former Premier League referee Dermot Gallagher says it was the CORRECT decision to not award Leeds United a penalty at Elland Road on Saturday.
“He gets the ball. As he comes round here, he gets the ball, it’s a really, really good decision.” (from TurfCast)