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The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:06 pm
by pushpinpussy
Does anyone have any idea why our club badge came to be how it is and more importantly I have always wandered who sort of invented or designed it.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:21 pm
by Devils_Advocate
In 1934, then manager Tom Bromilow thought that it would be a good idea for Burnley to have a club crest like his home town club Liverpool. The club ran a competition through the local paper to design and weave a badge with the winning entry being chosen as the official club badge.
Tom selected the winner himself and it was a woman who worked at the Queen St Mill (cant remember her name). In 1935 it offically became the first club badge of Burnley FC
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 pm
by Lip
pushpinpussy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:06 pm
Does anyone have any idea why our club badge came to be how it is and more importantly I have always wandered who sort of invented or designed it.
You wander quite a lot don't you PP
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:58 pm
by Lip
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:21 pm
In 1934, then manager Tom Bromilow thought that it would be a good idea for Burnley to have a club crest like his home town club Liverpool. The club ran a competition through the local paper to design and weave a badge with the winning entry being chosen as the official club badge.
Tom selected the winner himself and it was a woman who worked at the Queen St Mill (cant remember her name). In 1935 it offically became the first club badge of Burnley FC
Can you post a link to this information please DA ?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:05 pm
by ClaretTony
Lip wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:58 pm
Can you post a link to this information please DA ?
That’s a load of nonsense from DA. The original club badge was introduced around 1973, the club’s first ever official badge.
It was replaced in 2010 with the current one.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:17 pm
by Lip
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:05 pm
That’s a load of nonsense from DA. The original club badge was introduced around 1973, the club’s first ever official badge.
It was replaced in 2010 with the current one.
Just what I thought Tony.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:19 pm
by Row x
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:05 pm
That’s a load of nonsense from DA. The original club badge was introduced around 1973, the club’s first ever official badge.
It was replaced in 2010 with the current one.
I'm looking at a picture of the early 60s championship winning team, their shirts have a badge on. Was it just referred to a team badge in those days?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:24 pm
by Barlickclaret
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Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:25 pm
by Row x
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:26 pm
by NewClaret
Looks very much like Alan Pace is a traditionalist and switched it back to the 1935 version, looking at that chart!
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:32 pm
by Loyalclaret
Reads like something produced by ChatGPT
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:35 pm
by Row x
Loyalclaret wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:32 pm
Reads like something produced by ChatGPT
Is it wrong then?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:37 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:05 pm
That’s a load of nonsense from DA. The original club badge was introduced around 1973, the club’s first ever official badge.
It was replaced in 2010 with the current one.
It was first used in 1979
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:45 pm
by California Colner
For me I would prefer the 69 / 75 BFC
I don’t like our current one at all
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:48 pm
by THEWELLERNUT70
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:21 pm
In 1934, then manager Tom Bromilow thought that it would be a good idea for Burnley to have a club crest like his home town club Liverpool. The club ran a competition through the local paper to design and weave a badge with the winning entry being chosen as the official club badge.
Tom selected the winner himself and it was a woman who worked at the Queen St Mill (cant remember her name). In 1935 it offically became the first club badge of Burnley FC
Brilliant
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:50 pm
by mikeS
1947 cup final shirt had the crest.
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Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:19 pm
by Loyalclaret
Row x wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:35 pm
Is it wrong then?
You have to read until 'The meaning behind the Burnley logo' before the article actually says anything. Then it details the Phoenix, there are posters on here with far more knowledge about our history than me but I have only ever seen it described as stork?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:26 pm
by Row x
Loyalclaret wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:19 pm
You have to read until 'The meaning behind the Burnley logo' before the article actually says anything. Then it details the Phoenix, there are posters on here with far more knowledge about our history than me but I have only ever seen it described as stork?
I was more interested in the dates different badges were used, which seems to be backed up by the post which appeared whist I was posting the article
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:31 pm
by Loyalclaret
Other than the colour code (not sure if they are correct) and trade marks, it is hundreds of words that has nothing to do with Burnley FC - guess everyone's interesting is different.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:51 pm
by sjb
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:05 pm
That’s a load of nonsense from DA. The original club badge was introduced around 1973, the club’s first ever official badge.
It was replaced in 2010 with the current one.
It was indeed 1973. The club ran a competition to design the new badge and it was won by a gentleman called Edward Jolleys who lived in Ashton On Ribble. (And this is true unlike that Tom Bromilow rubbish posted by the usual suspects above).
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:33 pm
by ClaretTony
Row x wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:19 pm
I'm looking at a picture of the early 60s championship winning team, their shirts have a badge on. Was it just referred to a team badge in those days?
They wore the County Borough of Burnley Coat of Arms.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:36 pm
by Lip
Wrong thread Tony.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:59 pm
by Row x
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:33 pm
They wore the County Borough of Burnley Coat of Arms.
It looks very much like the one we used from 2009 till last year. Not being an expert on these things I take it there's some difference in the two?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:17 pm
by Rowls
Tommy Bromilow's Claret and Blue Army
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Tommy Bromilow's Claret and Blue Army
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Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:22 pm
by ClaretTony
Row x wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:59 pm
It looks very much like the one we used from 2009 till last year. Not being an expert on these things I take it there's some difference in the two?
We used the County Borough Coat of Arms in the 2009/10 season. That wasn't anything to do with getting into the Premier League but was added to the kit that year to commemorate the 50th anniversary of winning the league although in the title winning season we had no badge on the shirt.
Because we'd been in the Premier League, it was Brendan Flood who thought it was worth keeping that badge but we changed it, added Burnley Football Club on the bottom and adopted it as the new club badge.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:06 pm
by IanMcL
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:40 am
by RammyClaret61
Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:17 pm
Tommy Bromilow's Claret and Blue Army
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Tommy Bromilow's Claret and Blue Army
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Don’t you mean…
TommyBromilow'sClaretandBlueArmy TommyBromilow'sClaretandBlueArmy TommyBromilow'sClaretandBlueArmy TommyBromilow'sClaretandBlueArmy
With constant clapping!!!
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:03 am
by Row x
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:22 pm
We used the County Borough Coat of Arms in the 2009/10 season. That wasn't anything to do with getting into the Premier League but was added to the kit that year to commemorate the 50th anniversary of winning the league although in the title winning season we had no badge on the shirt.
Because we'd been in the Premier League, it was Brendan Flood who thought it was worth keeping that badge but we changed it, added Burnley Football Club on the bottom and adopted it as the new club badge.
Thanks, the squad photo I have must have been taken the season after, because they have the badge on.
You wouldn't think a shirt badge would be so complicated
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:36 am
by Hipper
According to the football kit archive site we first used a badge - not our current badge - on our kit in the 1887/88 season. The same badge was used for the next two seasons only and then once more in 1894-95.
The 1914 FA Cup winners team photo is with badges and it looks like they wore them on the day of the match too.
The next time a badge appeared was in 1934-35 on a special kit for the FA Cup semi-final. This badge looks broadly similar to the one we know.
We also wore a badge for the 1946-47 Cup Final.
It doesn't seem to have been worn during the 1959-60 season (see pre-season team photo) but the team photo of the League Champions has them with badges.
In 1960-61 we arrive at the badge we all know.
On our football programmes the badge starts appearing in the 1952/53 season.
https://www.footballkitarchive.com/burnley-kits/#1880s
https://www.ecosia.org/images?addon=edg ... +cup+final+
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/English ... -1949.html
https://www.ecosia.org/images?addon=edg ... +champions
https://www.uptheclarets.com/programmes
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:41 am
by Hipper
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:49 am
by mikeS
The team wore the Royal coat of arms on their shirts (in gold thread) for the 1914 cup final not a club badge.
The club had to ask permission to use it for the match which followed on from the visit of The Prince To Turf Moor in the 19th century.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:13 am
by ClaretTony
Club badges and what's worn on a shirt can be totally different. As I've posted further up the thread, the first club badge was produced in 1973 but it was a few years later before it appeared on a home shirt.
And I've corrected one of your links from a site we are prohibited legally from using to this site which is up to date.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:53 am
by sjb
mikeS wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:49 am
The team wore the Royal coat of arms on their shirts (in gold thread) for the 1914 cup final not a club badge.
The club had to ask permission to use it for the match which followed on from the visit of The Prince To Turf Moor in the 19th century.
A visit which led to us being nicknamed 'The Royalites' for several years.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:59 am
by Leon_C
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:13 am
Club badges and what's worn on a shirt can be totally different.
Indeed. The graphic above (BarlickClaret I think) which shows the history of the badge on the shirt... the 1983-1987 "BFC" version, I suspect was used to save money on cheaper embroidery, rather than a deliberate attempt to change the club badge.
I'm less clear on the current update with the monochrome claret/white version. I remember seeing a comment that this version was mainly for use on screen, rather than a belt-and-braces update to the official crest - but I don't think I've seen many versions of the coloured one recently. (I actually approve of the change. The colours were rather garish, and the blue/yellows clashed.)
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:39 pm
by Hipper
There seem to be some semantics going on.
I'm assuming when the OP says 'club badges' he means simply 'the badge on the shirt'.
If we didn't have 'club badges' before 1973, we had badges on the team shirt since 1960-61 season and occasionally before then. That badge seems to be the Burnley Borough badge with 'Burnley Football Club' written underneath. That is therefore 'the team', 'the club, or 'the shirt' badge even if it is not 'the club badge'.
As far as I'm concerned that's it. Whether or not we had a club badge that is hidden somewhere in the deepest recesses of Turf Moor doesn't interest me much.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:47 pm
by ClaretTony
Hipper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:39 pm
There seem to be some semantics going on.
I'm assuming when the OP says 'club badges' he means simply 'the badge on the shirt'.
If we didn't have 'club badges' before 1973, we had badges on the team shirt since 1960-61 season and occasionally before then. That badge seems to be the Burnley Borough badge with 'Burnley Football Club' written underneath. That is therefore 'the team', 'the club, or 'the shirt' badge even if it is not 'the club badge'.
As far as I'm concerned that's it. Whether or not we had a club badge that is hidden somewhere in the deepest recesses of Turf Moor doesn't interest me much.
Quite wrong. As I’ve said, the badge worn in the 60s was the County Borough of Burnley Coat of Arms and did not have Burnley Football Club written underneath.
I’ll repeat, the first club badge was produced in 1973 and remained the club badge until 2010 after which came the current one which the owners are now systematically getting rid of.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:04 pm
by Spike
Lip wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:56 pm
You wander quite a lot don't you PP
Why am I instantly reminded of the song about wanderers
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:16 pm
by NottsClaret
I reckon sooner or later we'll have another 'new' badge / logo / emblem. None of our old ones really fit the bill for a modern, clean brand. Like it or not, that's where we'll probably end up. Can't say I'm too fussed about it either way.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:06 pm
by ClaretTony
NottsClaret wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:16 pm
I reckon sooner or later we'll have another 'new' badge / logo / emblem. None of our old ones really fit the bill for a modern, clean brand. Like it or not, that's where we'll probably end up. Can't say I'm too fussed about it either way.
Owners can’t ditch club badges but ours have done it very cutely in stages. Whether you are fussed or not, it’s taking away our identity.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:14 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:06 pm
Owners can’t ditch club badges but ours have done it very cutely in stages. Whether you are fussed or not, it’s taking away our identity.
It really isn't
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:14 pm
by ClaretTony
In my opinion it is - where do you see our club badge now?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:17 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:14 pm
In my opinion it is - where do you see our club badge now?
In my opinion it isn't
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:11 pm
by Row x
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:14 pm
In my opinion it is - where do you see our club badge now?
I must admit to being confused now, which is our club badge?
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:02 pm
by ClaretTony
Row x wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:11 pm
I must admit to being confused now, which is our club badge?
This
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Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:19 pm
by Row x
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:02 pm
This
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Thanks, so that's since 2010, and the new one is same badge but different colours. I do prefer the old one.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:25 pm
by ClaretTony
Row x wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:19 pm
Thanks, so that's since 2010, and the new one is same badge but different colours. I do prefer the old one.
That’s still the club badge. Last season they partially introduced the tonal ones, claiming that they wouldn’t remove the badge fully and the new idea was only for media stuff. Now they have just about completely removed it.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:27 pm
by helmclaret
Might be worth you doing an article on this CT, and putting it to bed once and for all.
Seems to crop up every few months this subject with people just trying to show each other up.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:30 pm
by Row x
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:25 pm
That’s still the club badge. Last season they partially introduced the tonal ones, claiming that they wouldn’t remove the badge fully and the new idea was only for media stuff. Now they have just about completely removed it.
Cheers, thankyou
Re: The club badge
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:07 pm
by IanMcL
Well I like the embroidered full colour badge. This thing with all the colour ducked out is an abomination and the owners should get to understand that this is one the league's founder members and we should be honoured on everything we do. Not treated like some logo company.
Re: The club badge
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:08 am
by Row x
IanMcL wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:07 pm
Well I like the embroidered full colour badge. This thing with all the colour ducked out is an abomination and the owners should get to understand that this is one the league's founder members and we should be honoured on everything we do. Not treated like some logo company.
I'd agree, if the badge had been around since the club was founded
But if I read all the above correctly, the one that's been changed by these owners has only existed since 2010. Hardly a significant part of our history
